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[JimmyBond]

Perhaps it's been mentioned elsewhere, and if it has you all could link me.

As far as I'm aware, we've heard lots of rumors but nothing has actually been confirmed as the teaser sequence yet, so I'm just curious, do we know for absolutely sure what it is? It seems like we knew what happend in Brosnan's teasers before we even knew what the plot of the film was!

[Righty007]

Bond tortures Mr. White and then the whole Sienna chase commences. At least I'm assuming he tortures Mr. White before being chased by White's men. I also understand that Bond is going to commandeer a Jaguar (I'm assuming it's Mr. White's) for the chase.

Somebody, please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Shrublands]

Bond tortures Mr. White and then the whole Sienna chase commences. At least I'm assuming he tortures Mr. White before being chased by White's men. I also understand that Bond is going to commandeer a Jaguar (I'm assuming it's Mr. White's) for the chase.

Somebody, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Certainly

I think you are wrong.

To start with it’s a given he’s in the Aston Martin, I don’t know where you get the Jag thing from. Then the Sienna chase stuff is after the PTS...

[JimmyBond]

So we really don't know then do we?

[Shrublands]

So we really don't know then do we?

Well, we have a little more than an inkling.

[Vauxhall]

This is my understanding based on newspaper reports from Italy and elsewhere:

The movie opens on the shores of Lake Garda with Bond driving off in his Aston with an incapacitated Mr White. The organisation sends the Italian police after Bond leading to a car chase around the shores of the lake, through tunnels and around tight bends, leading to a massive tanker explosion. Following that, the car chase shifts to more Alpine scenery specifically through the marble quarries of Carrara. When Bond has eventually shaken off all the villains and local police, he emerges from a tunnel and continues the drive to Siena.

Then the main title sequence. Following the titles, Bond and M are interrogating Mr White in an MI6 safe house deep underground in Siena. White gets killed by an MI6 traitor Mitchell, who Bond chases through the underground passages of the city, across rooftops, through an art gallery, etc.

[Righty007]

I thought I read somewhere that Bond steals somebody's Jag at some point...

[JimmyBond]

This is my understanding based on newspaper reports from Italy and elsewhere:

The movie opens on the shores of Lake Garda with Bond driving off in his Aston with an incapacitated Mr White. The organisation sends the Italian police after Bond leading to a car chase around the shores of the lake, through tunnels and around tight bends, leading to a massive tanker explosion. Following that, the car chase shifts to more Alpine scenery specifically through the marble quarries of Carrara. When Bond has eventually shaken off all the villains and local police, he emerges from a tunnel and continues the drive to Siena.

Then the main title sequence. Following the titles, Bond and M are interrogating Mr White in an MI6 safe house deep underground in Siena. White gets killed by an MI6 traitor Mitchell, who Bond chases through the underground passages of the city, across rooftops, through an art gallery, etc.

This sounds like it's going to be the coolest pretitle sequence in quite some time!!

[Shrublands]

This is my understanding based on newspaper reports from Italy and elsewhere:

The movie opens on the shores of Lake Garda with Bond driving off in his Aston with an incapacitated Mr White. The organisation sends the Italian police after Bond leading to a car chase around the shores of the lake, through tunnels and around tight bends, leading to a massive tanker explosion. Following that, the car chase shifts to more Alpine scenery specifically through the marble quarries of Carrara. When Bond has eventually shaken off all the villains and local police, he emerges from a tunnel and continues the drive to Siena.

Then the main title sequence. Following the titles, Bond and M are interrogating Mr White in an MI6 safe house deep underground in Siena. White gets killed by an MI6 traitor Mitchell, who Bond chases through the underground passages of the city, across rooftops, through an art gallery, etc.

Yes, that's how I understand it too.

[The Dove]

This is my understanding based on newspaper reports from Italy and elsewhere:

The movie opens on the shores of Lake Garda with Bond driving off in his Aston with an incapacitated Mr White. The organisation sends the Italian police after Bond leading to a car chase around the shores of the lake, through tunnels and around tight bends, leading to a massive tanker explosion. Following that, the car chase shifts to more Alpine scenery specifically through the marble quarries of Carrara. When Bond has eventually shaken off all the villains and local police, he emerges from a tunnel and continues the drive to Siena.

Then the main title sequence. Following the titles, Bond and M are interrogating Mr White in an MI6 safe house deep underground in Siena. White gets killed by an MI6 traitor Mitchell, who Bond chases through the underground passages of the city, across rooftops, through an art gallery, etc.

Ahh you say this is based on newspaper reports and "elsewhere", Vauxhall? You wouldn't by any chance happen to have gotten your hands on the script? LOL Very nice though!! I really like this..

*cues the Bond Theme from Casino Royale in anticipation!! *

[Mr. Blofeld]

This is my understanding based on newspaper reports from Italy and elsewhere:

The movie opens on the shores of Lake Garda with Bond driving off in his Aston with an incapacitated Mr White. The organisation sends the Italian police after Bond leading to a car chase around the shores of the lake, through tunnels and around tight bends, leading to a massive tanker explosion. Following that, the car chase shifts to more Alpine scenery specifically through the marble quarries of Carrara. When Bond has eventually shaken off all the villains and local police, he emerges from a tunnel and continues the drive to Siena.

Then the main title sequence. Following the titles, Bond and M are interrogating Mr White in an MI6 safe house deep underground in Siena. White gets killed by an MI6 traitor Mitchell, who Bond chases through the underground passages of the city, across rooftops, through an art gallery, etc.

Yes, that's how I understand it too.

Sounds like the rough cut of TWINE, with the Bilbao scene, then the titles, and finally the MI6 scene and boat chase...

Also, who's Mitchell? Joe Don Baker?

[Righty007]

This is my understanding based on newspaper reports from Italy and elsewhere:

The movie opens on the shores of Lake Garda with Bond driving off in his Aston with an incapacitated Mr White. The organisation sends the Italian police after Bond leading to a car chase around the shores of the lake, through tunnels and around tight bends, leading to a massive tanker explosion. Following that, the car chase shifts to more Alpine scenery specifically through the marble quarries of Carrara. When Bond has eventually shaken off all the villains and local police, he emerges from a tunnel and continues the drive to Siena.

Then the main title sequence. Following the titles, Bond and M are interrogating Mr White in an MI6 safe house deep underground in Siena. White gets killed by an MI6 traitor Mitchell, who Bond chases through the underground passages of the city, across rooftops, through an art gallery, etc.

Yes, that's how I understand it too.

Sounds like the rough cut of TWINE, with the Bilbao scene, then the titles, and finally the MI6 scene and boat chase...

Also, who's Mitchell? Joe Don Baker?

He's the new Carter.

[Captain Tightpants]

This is my understanding based on newspaper reports from Italy and elsewhere:

The movie opens on the shores of Lake Garda with Bond driving off in his Aston with an incapacitated Mr White. The organisation sends the Italian police after Bond leading to a car chase around the shores of the lake, through tunnels and around tight bends, leading to a massive tanker explosion. Following that, the car chase shifts to more Alpine scenery specifically through the marble quarries of Carrara. When Bond has eventually shaken off all the villains and local police, he emerges from a tunnel and continues the drive to Siena.

Then the main title sequence. Following the titles, Bond and M are interrogating Mr White in an MI6 safe house deep underground in Siena. White gets killed by an MI6 traitor Mitchell, who Bond chases through the underground passages of the city, across rooftops, through an art gallery, etc.

Yes, that's how I understand it too.

Sounds like the rough cut of TWINE, with the Bilbao scene, then the titles, and finally the MI6 scene and boat chase...

Also, who's Mitchell? Joe Don Baker?

Most likely the traitor mentioned in the official synopsis.

[MajorB]

As someone who was never wild about the ever-lengthening PTSs during the Brosnan era, I still hold out hope that there's some short segment that happens pre-titles, and the chase follows afterwards. But Vauxhall's summation sounds awfully plausible. Plus, didn't the official synopsis mention that Bond starts out on his main mission based on "forensic" evidence? That would suggest that White doesn't break under interrogation, but that after he's dead, something's found on his person that gives M a direction in which to send Bond. Which again fits with this scenario.

Ah, well.

[Matt_13]

A "Q" pin possibly?

[Loomis]

Bond tortures Mr. White and then the whole Sienna chase commences. At least I'm assuming he tortures Mr. White before being chased by White's men.

It's possible, but, like you say, it's an assumption. I don't believe we've read anything to suggest that Bond actually tortures him. Questions him, yes, but there's no information that leads us in the direction of torture.... is there?

[kneelbeforezod]

Do we know for sure that Bond is doing the chasing in the Siena rooftops bit, and not being chased?

[sharpshooter]

The footage that surfaced yesterday with Bond climbing up a drain pipe, and some guy on the roof running away.

[Qwerty]

Do we know for sure that Bond is doing the chasing in the Siena rooftops bit, and not being chased?

This video gives fans a pretty good glimpse that Bond is chasing after someone.

[Captain Tightpants]

Bond tortures Mr. White and then the whole Sienna chase commences. At least I'm assuming he tortures Mr. White before being chased by White's men.

It's possible, but, like you say, it's an assumption. I don't believe we've read anything to suggest that Bond actually tortures him. Questions him, yes, but there's no information that leads us in the direction of torture.... is there?

I imagine the PTS involves Bond preparing to bring White in for questioning at at Siena safehouse when Elvis and Slate show up and we have a chase. Bond thinks their arrival is a little too conveniet and works out that they're also after Mathis, currently in the safehouse after the events of Casino Royale. The car chase takes place, ending with an explosion that puts Elvis and Slate out of the running.

CUE TITLES.

When we return, Bond gets into Siena with Mr. White, but Quantum activates their inside man. Marshall (or Mitchell; whatever his name is) kills White and is going after Mathis, but Bond stops him and gives chase down through the bottini (he probably goes down the safehouse well), up over the rooftops and through the art gallery. He either kills Marshall/Mitchell there and spots Slate/Elvis and chases him down to the piazza but his quarry escapes, or Marshall/Mitchell survives the art gallery and goes down to the piazza where he is killed by Bond or trampled under the hooves of the horses in the palio.

Do we know for sure that Bond is doing the chasing in the Siena rooftops bit, and not being chased?

Judging by the footage of Craig climbing the drainpipe, he's the one doing the chasing. I say this because someone - Mitchell or Marshall or whatever his name happens to be - is clearly see running across a rooftop above him.

Edited by Captain Tightpants, 10 April 2008 - 02:08 AM.

[Harmsway]

This is my understanding based on newspaper reports from Italy and elsewhere:

The movie opens on the shores of Lake Garda with Bond driving off in his Aston with an incapacitated Mr White. The organisation sends the Italian police after Bond leading to a car chase around the shores of the lake, through tunnels and around tight bends, leading to a massive tanker explosion. Following that, the car chase shifts to more Alpine scenery specifically through the marble quarries of Carrara. When Bond has eventually shaken off all the villains and local police, he emerges from a tunnel and continues the drive to Siena.

Then the main title sequence. Following the titles, Bond and M are interrogating Mr White in an MI6 safe house deep underground in Siena. White gets killed by an MI6 traitor Mitchell, who Bond chases through the underground passages of the city, across rooftops, through an art gallery, etc.

That's my understanding as well.

[Quantumofsolace007]

very exciting stuff

Edited by Quantumofsolace007, 10 April 2008 - 03:24 AM.

[sharpshooter]

Does Bond drive the DBS in this sequence, or is the DBS chase another scene?

I'm wondering where the DBS would come from in the PTS. The one in CR is a rolled mess and I don't think he would have driven to the villa (he used the yaught I'm sure) or even had another DBS by then.

[mister-white]

I think that the pre-title will just be the final scene from Casino Royale. The gun barrel opens on the establishing shot of Mr. White villa, then he pulls up, phone rings, shot in the leg, Bond introduces himself, cut to titles. Seems a bit simple, just like Casino Royale, no big 20 minute action sequence here, just a simple couple of minutes. Plus, back before Casino Royale even opened I heard somewhere that the pretitle for the next one had already been filmed, and since this is the 'next one', shouldn't it be safe to say that this could be it.

[Captain Tightpants]

Does Bond drive the DBS in this sequence, or is the DBS chase another scene?

I'm wondering where the DBS would come from in the PTS. The one in CR is a rolled mess and I don't think he would have driven to the villa (he used the yaught I'm sure) or even had another DBS by then.

We know the car crash in Casino Royale happened the week of June 6th, 2006 (I think; I haven't seen the film for a while, so it may have been July), because that was the date printed on the security disc at the Ocean Club in the Bahamas. Allowing a day for Bond to get to Montenegro, the poker tournament took no more than three or four days, which means he had the accident some time around June 10th or 11th.

Quantum of Solace therefore has to start early in August because the Palio di Siena is held once in early June and once in August, and the June date has already passed. That means there's at least three, possibly four weeks in between that Bond spent recovering from Le Chiffre's torture and an undisclosed amount of time between the events in Venice and the confrontation with Mr. White (though I imagine it would be very soon after).

The Aston Martin was probably written off, which means one of two things happend: either Bond was issued with a brand-new DB9 some time after he left the clinic and we didn't see it on film (as it would slow everything down), or Mr. White has a DB9 of his own at the villa that Bond steals. There was nothing to indicate that he sailed to the villa, and if you watch the scene in slow motion, the shot is clearly on a downwards path when it hits White. That means Bond made the shot from a height, which places him either at another villa adjacent to Mr. White's own, in the house or somewhere in or on the gatehouse (the driveway slopes downwards). Given that Bond got to White so quicly after shooting him, it's likely he was at one of the latter. I'd say he was waiting for White in the house having already checked it for anyone associated with Quantum who might be a private security force.

With that in mind, I'd say it's most likely that Bond drove. He would have to take some time to find where Mr. White was going - the villa, assuming it's his - and during that time he received the new DB9. Being in the yacht would present him to a clear target to anyone in the house with a sniper rifle.

Edited by Captain Tightpants, 10 April 2008 - 09:33 AM.

[DamnCoffee]

This is my understanding based on newspaper reports from Italy and elsewhere:

The movie opens on the shores of Lake Garda with Bond driving off in his Aston with an incapacitated Mr White. The organisation sends the Italian police after Bond leading to a car chase around the shores of the lake, through tunnels and around tight bends, leading to a massive tanker explosion. Following that, the car chase shifts to more Alpine scenery specifically through the marble quarries of Carrara. When Bond has eventually shaken off all the villains and local police, he emerges from a tunnel and continues the drive to Siena.

Then the main title sequence. Following the titles, Bond and M are interrogating Mr White in an MI6 safe house deep underground in Siena. White gets killed by an MI6 traitor Mitchell, who Bond chases through the underground passages of the city, across rooftops, through an art gallery, etc.

Yes.. I think thats more plausabe. I was under the impression that Bond escaped with White on Boat... leading to a massive boat chase, then I learned that the chase involved Camille.. who is introduced later on in the movie.

[YOLT]

This is my understanding based on newspaper reports from Italy and elsewhere:

The movie opens on the shores of Lake Garda with Bond driving off in his Aston with an incapacitated Mr White. The organisation sends the Italian police after Bond leading to a car chase around the shores of the lake, through tunnels and around tight bends, leading to a massive tanker explosion. Following that, the car chase shifts to more Alpine scenery specifically through the marble quarries of Carrara. When Bond has eventually shaken off all the villains and local police, he emerges from a tunnel and continues the drive to Siena.

Then the main title sequence. Following the titles, Bond and M are interrogating Mr White in an MI6 safe house deep underground in Siena. White gets killed by an MI6 traitor Mitchell, who Bond chases through the underground passages of the city, across rooftops, through an art gallery, etc.

Great I hope its true. So we have a total of 20-25 min Italy scenes after and before the PTS. And then Austria, to slow the action for about 10-15 min ? Maybe 5-10 min in London. The rest is finished by now I think ( Panama, Chile etc )

[Captain Tightpants]

This is my understanding based on newspaper reports from Italy and elsewhere:

The movie opens on the shores of Lake Garda with Bond driving off in his Aston with an incapacitated Mr White. The organisation sends the Italian police after Bond leading to a car chase around the shores of the lake, through tunnels and around tight bends, leading to a massive tanker explosion. Following that, the car chase shifts to more Alpine scenery specifically through the marble quarries of Carrara. When Bond has eventually shaken off all the villains and local police, he emerges from a tunnel and continues the drive to Siena.

Then the main title sequence. Following the titles, Bond and M are interrogating Mr White in an MI6 safe house deep underground in Siena. White gets killed by an MI6 traitor Mitchell, who Bond chases through the underground passages of the city, across rooftops, through an art gallery, etc.

Yes.. I think thats more plausabe. I was under the impression that Bond escaped with White on Boat... leading to a massive boat chase, then I learned that the chase involved Camille.. who is introduced later on in the movie.

The boat sequence isn't in the film until later, when Bond arrives in Haiti.

[JimmyBond]

I think that the pre-title will just be the final scene from Casino Royale. The gun barrel opens on the establishing shot of Mr. White villa, then he pulls up, phone rings, shot in the leg, Bond introduces himself, cut to titles. Seems a bit simple, just like Casino Royale, no big 20 minute action sequence here, just a simple couple of minutes. Plus, back before Casino Royale even opened I heard somewhere that the pretitle for the next one had already been filmed, and since this is the 'next one', shouldn't it be safe to say that this could be it.

Did you read any of the other posts in this thread? You've just been disproved.

[kneelbeforezod]

Do we know for sure that Bond is doing the chasing in the Siena rooftops bit, and not being chased?

This video gives fans a pretty good glimpse that Bond is chasing after someone.

Splendid, hadn't seen that.