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[MHazard]

Okay, can someone help me here. I just watched the DVD after viewing CR twice in theatre and I still can't figure out the answer. Why does Bond run after Vesper when she leaves the restaurant after telling him she has to meet Mathis? In the book it's because Bond thinks and realizes Mathis would never just send for Vesper without coming into the restaurant himself. But in the movie Mathis is different and there's no indication that that's why Bond runs after her. Instead it seems more like all of a sudden he suspects Mathis. My question is are we supposed to understand at some point that in the restaurant Bond figures out something that makes him think Mathis is bent and if so what. I keep thinking I'm missing something, but I don't know what it is. Your help will be appreciated.

[LadySylvia]

Vesper's repeated mention of Mathis' name brings about Bond's suspicions that Mathis might be a mole. Although he had told both Mathis and Vesper about Le Chiffre's tell, he only suspected Mathis, because the latter was familiar with Montenegro and Le Chiffre's influence in the area.

[dinovelvet]

Its also a bit weird that she gets two separate messages from Mathis within about five minutes. And right before Bond says "Mathis!", we hear tires squealing and a car pulls up outside which might clue him in to something strange going on.

[Sigma7]

I agree, that whole part about Bond suspecting mathis seemed unfounded, the funny part i that i noticed it for the first time yesterday, before seeing this thread, ( and after watching CR for the 10th time !!!!!)

[MHazard]

Thank you to everyone who responded so far. I really thought I was missing something everyone else got. I suspect by the number of people who visited this thread compared to the number of people who posted suggestions that I'm not the only one hung up on this. So far the suggestions made are good but wouldn't you just like to be able to ask Daniel Craig what he thought his motivation was in that scene?

[Publius]

I think Bond had every reason to suspect that something was up, what with Mathis calling her (when she's the Treasury official and he's the double-oh agent on duty) and only her, hearing a car outside, and possibly even thinking about how Le Chiffre figured out he knew his tell. At worst, all that was just assumed and they merely overlooked spelling it out for the audience, and at best it was purposefully left up in the air until later, when we can look back and say "ah, now I see what doubts and questions must have been racing through Bond's head".

[00Twelve]

On a completely different note, why does Vesper run to Bond's car when he's about to die from the martini? How did she know he'd be out there in the car? (Apologies to MHazard in advance of the completely different direction this thread might take... )

[dinovelvet]

I assume she just followed him, really. We see her watch Bond as he rushes into the bathroom, so I guess she realizes something is up.

[Publius]

On a completely different note, why does Vesper run after Bond when he's about to die from the martini? How did she know he'd be out there? (Apologies to MHazard in advance of the completely different direction this thread might take... )

Well, he just abruptly abandoned the game looking sick as hell (they even show her looking concerned), so I don't think it's any surprise she'd follow to see what's up. If there's any stretch, it's that she'd figure out what he was trying to do in the car, know how to address the problem, and be able to do it in time, but even that's not too much for me to believe.

C'mon folks, surely there are bigger and better questions to be asked about CR.

[00Twelve]

C'mon folks, surely there are bigger and better questions to be asked about CR.

Alright. I want to know how the poker sequence is a metaphor for life. If you please.

[Santa]

C'mon folks, surely there are bigger and better questions to be asked about CR.

Alright. I want to know how the poker sequence is a metaphor for life. If you please.

OK: In life, as in poker, it's easy to lose but if someone gives you a few million dollars, things usually get a lot better . Man, I'm deeeep.

[Publius]

C'mon folks, surely there are bigger and better questions to be asked about CR.

Alright. I want to know how the poker sequence is a metaphor for life. If you please.

On a warm summer's evenin' on a train bound for nowhere,
I met up with the gambler; we were both too tired to sleep.
So we took turns a-starin' out the window at the darkness
'Til boredom overtook us, and he began to speak.

He said, "Son, I've made a life out of readin' people's faces,
And knowin' what their cards were by the way they held their eyes.
And if you don't mind my sayin', I can see you're out of aces.
For a taste of your whiskey I'll give you some advice."

So I handed him my bottle and he drank down my last swallow.
Then he bummed a cigarette and asked me for a light.
And the night got deathly quiet, and his face lost all expression.
Said, "If you're gonna play the game, boy, ya gotta learn to play it right.

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when you're sittin' at the table.
There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealin's done.

Ev'ry gambler knows that the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away and knowing what to keep.
'Cause ev'ry hand's a winner and ev'ry hand's a loser,
And the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep."

And when he'd finished speakin', he turned back towards the window,
Crushed out his cigarette and faded off to sleep.
And somewhere in the darkness the gambler, he broke even.
But in his final words I found an ace that I could keep.

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when you're sittin' at the table.
There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealin's done.

[Santa]

On a warm summer's evenin' on a train bound for nowhere,
I met up with the gambler; we were both too tired to sleep.
So we took turns a-starin' out the window at the darkness
'Til boredom overtook us, and he began to speak.

He said, "Son, I've made a life out of readin' people's faces,
And knowin' what their cards were by the way they held their eyes.
And if you don't mind my sayin', I can see you're out of aces.
For a taste of your whiskey I'll give you some advice."

So I handed him my bottle and he drank down my last swallow.
Then he bummed a cigarette and asked me for a light.
And the night got deathly quiet, and his face lost all expression.
Said, "If you're gonna play the game, boy, ya gotta learn to play it right.

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when you're sittin' at the table.
There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealin's done.

Ev'ry gambler knows that the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away and knowing what to keep.
'Cause ev'ry hand's a winner and ev'ry hand's a loser,
And the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep."

And when he'd finished speakin', he turned back towards the window,
Crushed out his cigarette and faded off to sleep.
And somewhere in the darkness the gambler, he broke even.
But in his final words I found an ace that I could keep.

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when you're sittin' at the table.
There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealin's done.

[Daddy Bond]

Okay, can someone help me here. I just watched the DVD after viewing CR twice in theatre and I still can't figure out the answer. Why does Bond run after Vesper when she leaves the restaurant after telling him she has to meet Mathis? In the book it's because Bond thinks and realizes Mathis would never just send for Vesper without coming into the restaurant himself. But in the movie Mathis is different and there's no indication that that's why Bond runs after her. Instead it seems more like all of a sudden he suspects Mathis. My question is are we supposed to understand at some point that in the restaurant Bond figures out something that makes him think Mathis is bent and if so what. I keep thinking I'm missing something, but I don't know what it is. Your help will be appreciated.

Yeah, I thought that was weird - kindof puzzling. Here's my thought. Early on, when Bond first meets Mathis, he wonders out loud if LeChiffre knows about his cover. While there are certainly many other reasons why LeChiffre could know about Bond (he reads an article about him on his boat - knows about him foiling his plans to blow up the plane - doesn't Mathis assure Bond that he is the ONLY ONE who has been keeping an eye on LeChiffre and thus LeChiffre probably doesn't know about Bond's cover - and yet the FIRST thing LeChiffre does when he meets Bond is to call him "Bond". This is a weak argument I know, but just a thought - I don't know if I buy this argument myself - but honestly, all of the reasons do seem pretty weak.

I wonder if something is missing that was cut from the film?

Regards

[ACE]

On a warm summer's evenin' on a train bound for nowhere,
I met up with the gambler; we were both too tired to sleep.

LOL,

Good one, Publius!

[blueman]

In response to the original thread question--I've never thought there was anything overt that made Bond exclaim "Mathis!" and dash after Vesper as if she were in danger. I can see the ideas put forward, sort of a sum of the parts thing...I just figure, intuitive leap on Bond's part, and leave it at that.

Edited by blueman, 15 March 2007 - 01:27 AM.

[Double-0-7]

I never wondered why he ran after her in the movie because I had read the book and jumped to the conclusion that it was part of the same story.

Pretty stupid on my part since they are similar, but definitely not quite the same story is told in the movie as in the book.

That's what I get for reading. Lesson learned, I'll never read again.

[robertbmagee]

If they had put a commentary on the DVD, then perhaps we would get the real answer to that question. It's a shame that they chose not to include that as a feature.

[Judo chop]

If they had put a commentary on the DVD, then perhaps we would get the real answer to that question. It's a shame that they chose not to include that as a feature.

If they had put a commentary on the DVD, then perhaps we would get the real answer to that question. It's a shame that they chose not to include that as a feature on the first release of the DVD.