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[lukemaus24007]

Could someone please clarify if this "mistake" is true or not.

"In the final hand of the poker game, everybody is all-in and Bond wins. However, LeChiffre has a greater value of chips, meaning that Bond can only win from each player up the amount he put into the pot. Any money in excess of this should have gone back to Le Chiffre and the game continued between him and Bond. In the movie, Bond wins everything."

I had thought that Bond had just a little more money in chips than LeChiffre at this point of the game.

[Tajike]

Though being said a lot on different sites, this statement is false:

1) We do not know how much the players have at the moment as this isn't mentioned throughout the scene.

2) Look closely at the scene after Bond rebuys when they quickly glance at Bond's stack and Le Chiffre's: it's clear that at that moment Bond has more chips and plaques than Le Chiffre.

3) When Bond pushes all-in he has more chips and more red (or blue, not sure about that) plaques than Le Chiffre.

In total Bond covers Le Chiffre, though there's not too much of a difference between the two.

[Publius]

Tajike's right, it's never stated how much Le Chiffre has in total (although Bond has $14.5 million when he goes all-in). I think it's safe to presume Bond had a narrow lead at that point, probably at the expense of the several players who had been eliminated by then.

[Mister Asterix]

Even if Le Chiffre had a little bit left it may not have been enough to cover the blinds, forcing him to retire from the game.

[bonds_walther]

Here's how it SHOULD have worked.

The first player goes all-in with $6 million. The big black guy calls him. Now Le Chiffre has more money that these guys, so the extra part of his stake should have been part of a side pot, which Bond then matches along with the main pot. Bond has the best hand, so he wins the lot - the main pot and the side pot created by the extra money.

[Mister Asterix]

Here's how it SHOULD have worked.

The first player goes all-in with $6 million. The big black guy calls him. Now Le Chiffre has more money that these guys, so the extra part of his stake should have been part of a side pot, which Bond then matches along with the main pot. Bond has the best hand, so he wins the lot - the main pot and the side pot created by the extra money.

[mra]But the second player didn

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

Tajike's right, it's never stated how much Le Chiffre has in total (although Bond has $14.5 million when he goes all-in). I think it's safe to presume Bond had a narrow lead at that point, probably at the expense of the several players who had been eliminated by then.

Actually Bond goes all in with $40,500,000. And from what I can tell Bond was the chip leader going into that hand.

[Mister Asterix]

Tajike's right, it's never stated how much Le Chiffre has in total (although Bond has $14.5 million when he goes all-in). I think it's safe to presume Bond had a narrow lead at that point, probably at the expense of the several players who had been eliminated by then.

Actually Bond goes all in with $40,500,000. And from what I can tell Bond was the chip leader going into that hand.

We’ll have to pay attention to the numbers. The first guy bets $4 million, the second guy $5 million, there is already something like $26 million in the pot. (Anyone remember that number?) If these numbers are right and the final pot is $115 (or is it 120 Million?) with Bond’s 40.5 million that would mean Le Chiffre put in at about 39.5 million. (115-(26+40.5+4+5))

[stromberg]

What to worry about this?

Do the maths, the sum of money is quite clear: 24 millions are already in the pot (Mathis whispers this to Vesper) Fukutu bets 6 million - all in. Infante: 5 million - All in (the dealer says "All in" for him, and anyway, he'd have to bet at least 6 million to call properly - but he's got only 5 left, thus: "All in").

Le Chiffre raises: 12 millions. We have now 47 millions on the table. Bond goes all in with 40.5 million, that's a total of 87.5 millions. Le Chiffre would have to come up with 28.5 million to call properly, which would equal in a pot of 116 million.

But Mathis (again) whispers to Vesper: "115 million." - which means that Le Chiffre actually was 1 million short.

Did anyone even think that a Poker buff like Michael Wilson would drop the ball on this?

(Had heard on this complaint before and wanted to make sure. Paid close attention on 5th viewing tonight and even took notes. It isn't all in the wrist...)

[Mister Asterix]

Ah, good. You’ve better memory than I do. But the result is the same.

Also it just occurs to me that the Swiss banker says that the account has $120 million (not the $115 million of the pot) but this would be because the account started with the $5 million that Vesper would not give Bond.

It’s all making sense now.

[stromberg]

[quote name='Mister Asterix' post='659520' date='30 November 2006 - 00:32']
[mra]Ah, good. You