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[JWM]

i got just one question. Does everyone on this forum hate pierce bronsan? I came along late in bond so my first film was goldeneye and that was what got me hooked. Look bronsan wasn't the best imo, but he was not that bad? I have since seen all of the films and love them all and all the actors. My favorite bond is roger moore, but pierce is the one that got me hooked on bond. I maybe basis hear but i want to know what you guys think.

[Qwerty]

Does everyone? No.

Do some? Yes.

Die Another Day was the most recent film for a long while on the CBn Forums, and one of the most disliked (even by Brosnan Bond fans). I think that's why the hatred/dislike sometimes seems more apparent than it really is.

[JimmyBond]

Pierce Brosnan simply gets a lot of heat because he was the most recent Bond, and that leads to comparisons (some unfavorably I might add) to Craig. Many times the comparisons are used to put down Brosnan, in favor of Craig. While I admit I've done this in the past to prove a point or two about Craig, I highly enjoyed Pierce's films (he has the distinction of being the first Bond I saw in theaters...though I was a fan long before Goldeneye).

To be honest though, I don't think he gets bashed anymore or less than the other Bonds...Craig has his fair share, and his movie isnt even out yet.

[Thunderfinger]

Do I hate Brosnan? Certainly not!
But as Bond, yes. All wrong for the part, IMO.
Had the films been good, it would have helped his cause.
Unfortunately, they are the bottom four on my list.

But there are seventeen other films for me to watch, and about half of them are great, so I don

[killkenny kid]

No, I love him.

[Vauxhall]

Pierce Brosnan did have a good reputation at one point I believe, but the manner in which he left the franchise in what was arguably his weakest movie did slightly sour that reputation. The fact that he is most likely to be held up by the anti-Craig crew as a comparison against Daniel Craig could work in his favour; however those who are keen to support Craig often have been forced to highlight Brosnan's weaknesses as a comparative measure. I think that once Craig has been accepted slightly more as Bond, then Brosnan's better qualities will be allowed some praise once more.

[Mister Asterix]

[mra]Pierce is great. He was a great James Bond. Loved all of his Bond films and I wish he got to do a fifth.

However, I would rather that fifth had not been Casino Royale. I

[JWM]

thats cool guys i was just wondering, i haven't been a memeber to this forum for that long. Pierce was the bond that got me into the series like i said with goldeneye.

[Skudor]

Back in the 90s PB had caught my eye as a potential new Bond, through various rumours no doubt, and there was no doubt in my mind that he was perfect for the job. And he did fine. I don't think there is a single criticism that can be levelled against PB that isn't also true about at least one of the other Bonds.

He wasn't very well served with films, though, and his departure was a bitter one-way mud fight.

At the end of the day he's the third most prolific actor of the franchise , and will probably remain there for quite a while (ahead of Lazenby, Dalton and Craig if he only does three).

[Publius]

I like him. My fourth favorite, but I rate him very well overall (probably even rate my least favorite, Moore, rather well). Two of his movies (the first two) are in my top ten list. But I am critical of his shortcomings, and those of his movies, as I am for all the Bonds and their respective movies.

You just have to keep in mind Brosnan was Bond for ten years (singed in '94 I believe, officially out circa '04), and has been Bond in the minds of many for twenty years now. An entire generation has grown up on his movies alone, as his era has been flanked by a 6.5 year gap on one side and a 4 year one on the other. Plus, he's the most recent. It's no wonder he's been given so much scrutiny, or that Die Another Day comes up as frequently as it does. Everything will start changing come November, and by decade's close I'm sure Craig will get more mention, for better or worse.

[The Richmond Spy]

Does everyone? No.

Do some? Yes.

Die Another Day was the most recent film for a long while on the CBn Forums, and one of the most disliked (even by Brosnan Bond fans). I think that's why the hatred/dislike sometimes seems more apparent than it really is.

Qwerty nailed it. Although I am as guilty as anyone of popping in my DAD dvd and watching it every now and then.

The anti-Brosnan sentiment almost seems to be an ongoing joke here on CBn. I try to defend all the criticism of GE TND and TWINE, but theres really no defending that dialogue in DAD, imo. Certain parts of the film are a laughfest (whether intended to be so or not).

It also doesn't help that the terribly unpopular CraignotBond people are notoriously pro-Brosnan.

Bros is my favorite because I've grown up with him as Bond and even though he is the most recent I always compare everyone to him...instead of him to everyone else.

On a side note, I can't wait to see Craig next month!

[Righty007]

I love Sean Connery, George Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig in a straight kind of way.

[Robert Watts]

He's the only Bond who's put me to sleep with his strangled attempts at acting and the strangled attempts of Bond films he's been in. Completely forgettable in my opinion. Therefore I dislike his Bond. My opinion, you can disagree with it, but don't question it.

Edited by Robert Watts, 11 October 2006 - 09:16 AM.

[DaveBond21]

I think I have sensed some Brosnan-bashing on here just recently, but I think he was an excellent Bond, just as the others were, and Daniel Craig will be.

[Tiin007]

Brosnan is my #1 favorite Bond. Just like you, JWM, he got me hooked on Bond.

Is he Connery? No.
Is he Fleming's Bond? Certainly not.

Yet he still retains, IMO, a coolness that none of the other Bonds had. Take DAD for instance. Yes, it wasn't the best of Bond movies, but Brosnan was at his coolest and most comfortable in it. When he walks into the Cuban clinic by climbing through the window, his "buenos dias" (pardon my spelling) is priceless. None of the other 4 actors could match his "oh, they left ages ago" line.

My feeling is that the ONLY reason he is being bashed so much is because it is the transition between Bonds, at which point people tend to "hate" (sorry for such a strong word) the previous Bond actor. I'm sure Rog went through the same thing right before TLD, and Laz right before DAF. But years later, fans have now embraced both of them, giving them each a nice following. When Craig finishes his 3, he will be bashed and it will be Brosnan whom is praised. Just wait and see.

[Killmaster]

even though i grew up with connery and watched the changing of the guard over the years, i think brosnan is my personal favorite. i feel a certain affinity for brosnan's bond ... he and i are the same age and it's terrific to see a 50+ look as good as he does and get all the girls. at 50 he certainly looked better than moore did in his last three bond films and better than connery in "nsna".

[Daddy Bond]

I am a big fan of Brosnan in the roll (I thought he should be Bond all the way back in his Remington Steele days - although he suited the roll better in the 90's). I liked all four of his films. Even though there were many things I would chagne about DAD and TWINE (I don't blame those things on Brosnan - but on the producers, etc. - I still - overall - liked them and liked several things about both films) - TND and GE are some of my favorite Bond movies. GE was the first Bond movie I saw in the theaters and Brosnan intoduced me to Bond.

I think Brosnan had a cool toughness about him that fit the roll well (for example the PTS in TWINE). He was very classy as Bond. I blame the crummy one liners on the scripts and not on Brosnan. He is a better actor than some give him credit for (watch him in Evelyn or Matador for example).

I would very much liked to have seen him back in a 5th Bond film - and this time a PROPER Bond film (i.e. grittier and more down to earth - more old school - no/little CGI and overthetop invisible cars or Jinx type character).

Nevertheless, the think Craig is bringing something new and fresh to the role.

Regards

[Red Barchetta]

Pierce makes a great Bond, just like Sean, or Rog, or Timothy.

They all have strengths, and weaknesses.

Pierce is still my fav Bond!

Edited by Red Barchetta, 13 October 2006 - 08:40 PM.

[Bond#9-GeorgeKemp]

thats cool guys i was just wondering, i haven't been a memeber to this forum for that long. Pierce was the bond that got me into the series like i said with goldeneye.

I'm the same JWM, he's my favourite and I'm a little scared of liking Daniel Craig too much.

I'll always be a Pierce man, even if he doesn't stay my favourite, his films will always be very special to me and I will always love his work.

[Quest]

In the recent PARADE magazine with DC on the cover, the article referred to PB as a guy who looked more at home at the spa then as a spy (something like that). That's always been my quibble with him. It's a shame that as he got older, he got less pretty and more suited for the roll - but now he's gone (his fault? EONs fault? No one's fault? Who knows). He could've done one, maybe 2 more. Looking older and meaner, with far better scripts and one liners (go back and watch Connery's one liners - they were so dry and great, almost like he just said then to amuse himself). Now that part of Bond is alway "Hey! I made a joke everybody! Ain't that fun-nnnyy?" Moore, Dalton & Bros were guilty of that. It has to be thrown out - hence they called them "throw away" lines - very much with the attitude of "who cares?" ala Connery. That was cool).

Anyway, I think PB did a great job in keeping the series going & growing a new fan base for the films - and for that he should be respected.

Good post - Thanks!

[Bon-san]

i got just one question. Does everyone on this forum hate pierce bronsan? I came along late in bond so my first film was goldeneye and that was what got me hooked. Look bronsan wasn't the best imo, but he was not that bad? I have since seen all of the films and love them all and all the actors. My favorite bond is roger moore, but pierce is the one that got me hooked on bond. I maybe basis hear but i want to know what you guys think.

As a Roger fan, imagine what you'd encounter if you were the same age you are now, in a 1975 ripe with internet technology. The bashing Pierce gets on here, and it's a lot, would pale in comparison to the ball-beating Roger would have taken under this scenario.

It will fade some over time. But there will always be bashing. It's human nature, apparently.

In any event, there are many CBn'ers who don't loathe Brosnan, and in fact many, who don't feel ill will toward any of the Bond actors. But these voices tend not to be as loud as the angry ones.

[JWM]

i love all the bonds as well but as i watched more, i started to like roger moore alot. I think that he was the perfect looking and acting bond. But i fell in love with bond when pierce had the role, i guess i was just shocked when i got the news that he was not going to be bond anymore. With that said after watching the trailer on cr i think that craig will do a fine job.

[AgentPB]

I love Brosnan he was the first bond i saw in theatres and without him i probably would not have discovered the great works of Dalton or Connery. I also think he is a fine actor in non bond movies (The Tailor of Panama, Matador etc). I don't think DAD was the Bond Series shineing moment, but i do remeber enjoying it whole heartedly at the cinema. I remeber laughing at the one liners i now cringe at. It was like i was watching Bond being Bond larger then life. I have to thank Brosnan for bringing me and my genration into Bond. I agree he's not the best but he will always be Number 1 in my heart.

[Robert Watts]

I grew up with Brosnan like a lot of you guys, but it hasn't stopped me thinking he was an - Bond, and I'm not just talking about his scripts having a detrimental effect on the over all performance either. For a good half of last year I liked him, and wanted him for CR, but by that way through the year I'd gotten around to seeing the older films with a more sophisticated view on film (aka not being a 5 year old who couldn't truly comprehend them) and it made me realise how bad his films, and his Bond was. Then his endless bitching and whining got on my nerves to hell and back, his opinion on issues and Bond seems to change with whatever is the trend at the time. He reminds me badly of that kid who tags along at the back of the group laughing at jokes that he doesn't even understand, and it is essentially what his performance of Bond was too -- copying what other guys did and trying to replicate it, while desperately pulling over-sentimental sap to try and draw in the girls.

Edited by Mister Asterix, 16 October 2006 - 10:13 PM.

[License To Kill]

[quote name='Mister Asterix' post='623807' date='10 October 2006 - 14:53']
[mra]Pierce is great. He was a great James Bond. Loved all of his Bond films and I wish he got to do a fifth.

However, I would rather that fifth had not been Casino Royale. I

[Publius]

All right, Mr. *. Without him revitalizing the series post-Tim, we might not have Bond anymore.

I disagree with that. I think it was James Bond who revitalized the series, meaning many an actor could have taken Brosnan's place in GoldenEye, even Dalton himself. It was the first Bond movie in many years, a different kind of Bond movie for a new era, and was released in a different cinematic climate than those before. It was bound to be a hit.

Unless you're talking quality of performance, in which case that's fair enough (although I'd still disagree and say it was Dalton who truly revitalized Bond in that regard).

[Vanish]

I don't hate Brosnan - He's a very likeable actor, and seems like an alright guy.

I just didn't care for his interpretation of the role very much - As I said before, he's a likeable actor, but he's also limited, and some of his quirks really bugged me as the films went on (pumping his arms at head-level while running, biting his women, campy/cartoonish movement, etc). And I can't forgive the "Stockholm Syndrome" scene in TWINE, which might be the most anti-Bond moment that any actor's given in the whole series.

As someone said earlier, his era was flanked by a 5 year wait at the beginning and a 4 year one at the end, making his time as Bond much more visible and fresh in the minds of Bond fans, for better and for worse.

Edited by Vanish, 13 October 2006 - 08:01 PM.

[JimmyBond]

What was up with that arm waving eh? I always wanted to make a thread on that but felt it wasnt worth discussing by itself, but it is an interesting thing to bring up.

Also as you mentioned Vanish, his cartoonish movements. I especially hated how he grit his teeth while being strangled (both in TND, and TWINE) it just didnt look very real.

[Turn]

I find myself wondering in these post-Pierce days if we would like his version of Bond more had he played it closer to the way he played Remington Steele. Many people automatically thought of him as potential Bond during the first season of that series, including me. His wanting to "peel back the layers" along with trying to do the lighter stuff, the hybrid Bond if you will, just seems like it didn't play to his strengths.

[Thunderfinger]

James Bond was born in 1953.
Pierce Brosnan was born in 1953.

Born to play Bond!