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[Daniel Craig the cool 007]

Yeah i know that he did smoke in Munich and i would have wanted James Bond as portrayed by Daniel to be chain smoking in Casino Royale(adding a cooler and yet darker side to the character which is exactly what the movie is all about)
OK, maybe not chain smoking but smoking at least once and then probably kicking the habit away....The Pg rating is really a buzz killer coz part and characteristics of the hero are removed because of kids(which i understand the reason behind such moves but it also remove a side of the character that audiences expect since it is the first Bond establishing the character and all)In the novel, the hero smokes a lot and even in the first scene of Dr No where Connery lights up before rolling out the iconic name,44 years ago....Maybe Craig should have been smoking at the green table as he is stressed out by the poker played and gets frustrated and all....Either way ,was wondering if Craig since he accepted the part has given up smoking (coz i think i read somewhere that he stopped or quit when he was training to get in shape for Casino Royale )Does anybody know if he still smoke cigs now or not?And could you please confirm or not for the last time if Daniel smokes in the movie(coz Martin Campbell said that he would not smoke coz of the teens and all but as i've in another post, he does smoke a cigar coming out of the aston martin)....Does Craig smoke Cigarettes or cigars in the movie? Over and out....!Cheers way

[marktmurphy]

The new GQ article (I think) tells us he has a 'ing expensive cuban cigar' habit.

[DamnCoffee]

Its really wierd how every actor to have played Bond, Lights up now and again

[Daniel Craig the cool 007]

I think it comes with the job...Smoking is a great lifestyle to have and glamor side to it...It makes people look cool without saying much....Like for instance the entry of Connery uttering the immortal lines at the beginning of Dr No would have unmemorable if he did not light and say those lines at the same time...it was great timing, helped by the cigarette giving more panache to Connery!Smoking is cool is my point!On screen, i mean and not in real life coz the way that the cigarettes are sold on screen is like a fantasy world

[Johnboy007]

I think it comes with the job...Smoking is a great lifestyle to have and glamor side to it...It makes people look cool without saying much....Like for instance the entry of Connery uttering the immortal lines at the beginning of Dr No would have unmemorable if he did not light and say those lines at the same time...it was great timing, helped by the cigarette giving more panache to Connery!Smoking is cool is my point!On screen, i mean and not in real life coz the way that the cigarettes are sold on screen is like a fantasy world

Indeed, it just fits the personality that most stage performers and artists have.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

The new GQ article (I think) tells us he has a 'ing expensive cuban cigar' habit.

That would explain the pics of Craig puffing that cigar while shooting outside the casino. Pitty though, this also means maybe he won't light up in CR. Oh well, if they weren't going to turn him into a chain smoker I think it's best they leave the smoking out.

[bernsmartin007]

He used to smoke cigarettes heavily but gave up before filming Casino Royale, no doubt for fitness reasons.

Now he sticks with Havana cigars. A wise and delicious choice

[Andrew]

I once read somewhere that a hobby of his was rolling his own cigarettes.

[bernsmartin007]

I once read somewhere that a hobby of his was rolling his own cigarettes.

Not what I'd call a hobby, I roll my own sometimes and have perfected the art of rolling one like a machine made smoke but it's not so much a hobby like collecting things etc. lol

[Andrew]

I once read somewhere that a hobby of his was rolling his own cigarettes.

Not what I'd call a hobby, I roll my own sometimes and have perfected the art of rolling one like a machine made smoke but it's not so much a hobby like collecting things etc. lol

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[Bond#9-GeorgeKemp]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble guys but I don't think it sets a good example , you know people'd be like if they saw Bond smoking, kids would copy him, mothers would protest etc.

I still think its an important part of the Bond-persona, but its the Fleming-Bond persona, which however much Craig is trying to get in touch with, isn't completely comfortable in society today.

[marktmurphy]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble guys but I don't think it sets a good example , you know people'd be like if they saw Bond smoking, kids would copy him, mothers would protest etc.

I still think its an important part of the Bond-persona, but its the Fleming-Bond persona, which however much Craig is trying to get in touch with, isn't completely comfortable in society today.

I'm all for Bond not smoking in real life- I don't think that one quirk of the character is really worth replicating for the harm it does- but I won't hold Craig's real life habits against him. And cigar smoking is hardly something kids can easily copy, nor is it terribly addictive.

[Andrew]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble guys but I don't think it sets a good example , you know people'd be like if they saw Bond smoking, kids would copy him, mothers would protest etc.

Is smoking really worse than killing in cold blood or bedding married women?

[DanMan]

Not gonna' lie. First time I ever tried a cigarette is because I thought Bond looked cool doing it. Glad it never turned into a habit.

[OmarB]

Yeah really, I hate this politically correct sanitizing of every damn thing around us. He's a literary character, one who smokes, why change that? He kills, he beds everything within sight but they sanitize that. Should we go back and clean up every bad habit every character in liturature and movies just because it's not healthy? Let him smoke in the movies.

Oh, and by the way, hand rolled cigs rule. Though I do have two rollig machines.

[Righty007]

Not gonna' lie. First time I ever tried a cigarette is because I thought Bond looked cool doing it. Glad it never turned into a habit.

Ditto. The occassional cigarette is cool (What's the point in living if you can't feel alive?) but chain smoking is outdated. I would love to see Bond smoke a few times in Casino Royale but unfortunately it's not politically correct in 2006.

[Jim]

Ditto. The occassional cigarette is cool (What's the point in living if you can't feel alive?)

But it doesn't make you feel alive. It makes you smell. "There's no point in living if you can't walk around smelling like an ashtray" isn't that appealing.

[Broadsword]

Yeah really, I hate this politically correct sanitizing of every damn thing around us. He's a literary character, one who smokes, why change that? He kills, he beds everything within sight but they sanitize that. Should we go back and clean up every bad habit every character in liturature and movies just because it's not healthy? Let him smoke in the movies.

Oh, and by the way, hand rolled cigs rule. Though I do have two rollig machines.

Flemming's character erred on the side of ridiculous when it came to personal fitness. Smoking was part of this. it went beyond fantasy and became nonsensical.

In OHMSS he has Bond deciding to wake up early one morning to do 15 minutes of press ups: to get in shape for a possible escape. In another novel ( I forget which) he has him cutting down from 60 a day to 40 (for health reasons).

Its daft and makes the character look daft. I understand that "smoking is cool" is a subjective statement, but i think it would throw the character off kilter if they rebooted him and yet still retrained his statistically odd habit which given his background of being an innovative underwater swimmer would be stretching reality too far.

Honestly: in 21st century Britain how many super fit 38 year old blokes are gonna smoke (even assuming the character could keep up with what Flemming had him smoking). it just looks daft. "Bond, James Bond" while wafting the smoke away,,,,Isht don't think so.

If they are to truly ground the character in some for of reality then he has to stop smoking. it belongs to another era and doesn't chime with the super fit SBS 38 year old bloke they have ruinning round the bahamas.

[Santa]

Smoking is a great lifestyle to have and glamor side to it...It makes people look cool without saying much

Are you ing kidding me? I don't give a about political correctness and whether teenagers are influenced by it, and I'm not that bothered about the health aspects as it is a person's free choice to decide to smoke, but to say smoking is cool Bad smell, yellow teeth and yellow fingers are cool? On what planet exactly are those things considered attractive and glamourous?

[Jim]

Smoking is a great lifestyle to have and glamor side to it...It makes people look cool without saying much....

Um.

After the tracheotomy, you won't be able to say anything at all.

Whilst I appreciate that you are referring to the depiction onscreen, plainly such depiction has influenced your thoughts.

There's little glamour in a coughed up lung.

[Broadsword]

Smoking is a great lifestyle to have and glamor side to it...It makes people look cool without saying much

Are you ing kidding me? I don't give a about political correctness and whether teenagers are influenced by it, and I'm not that bothered about the health aspects as it is a person's free choice to decide to smoke, but to say smoking is cool Bad smell, yellow teeth and yellow fingers are cool? On what planet exactly are those things considered attractive and glamourous?

Easy Tiger

[dee-bee-five]

Now Blair's Thought Police are banning smoking in the UK (they're banning all the little things that make life interesting), I have no doubt that smoking will become cool again. It's the old story; the forbidden fruit is always more appealing and once a politician tells the people they can't have something, they want it all the more.

I have no doubt that having a character smoking in the UK from 2007 onwards will be a convenient shorthand for writers, directors and producers to convey he/she is a bit of a rebel. Indeed, I'm working on a project now where we've made a deliberate decision to make all the smart, attractive, funny characters smokers - and all the miserable t*ats rabid anti-smokers.

Funnily enough, I'm not a smoker and never have been. But such is the oh-so earnest politically correct stance taken by Britain's current crop of politicians that I'm tempted to start just to p*ss them off. After all, because of the same politicians' idiotic foreign policies, we're all on the global Titanic and steaming full speed towards the iceberg. It's very tempting to stand on the deck with a fine malt and a ciggie and enjoy what time is left.

Edited by dee-bee-five, 20 September 2006 - 06:57 AM.

[Jim]

The thought police banned slavery as well. I'm really looking forward to that one coming back.

[Trident]

Ok, so the literary Bond, the real thing by Fleming, smoked like hell with addiction and enjoyed every single puff.

But lets face it: that guy was a II. WW veteran who, as most people during this war, has faced possible death a thousand times by Nazi-Germany's bombing of his home country and pretty much of the rest of Europe. And on top of it he worked either as a commando or a secret agent, thus making his chances of survival even smaller. Such people didn't much care for possible lung cancer in a decade or two. Today, as it is, we are lucky enough not to live in such circumstances (although, looking at todays world, living doesn't seem to have become very much safer) and most of us have a reasonable chance to stay healthy and fit untill the 70's/80's/even 90's of our lives. If, and that is a big IF, we steer clear from certain substances. And a character like Bond is hard to imagine surviving his missions while smoking 60 to 70 cigarettes a day. In so far, I regard a non-smoking Bond in the cinema as a big step towards reality.

[dee-bee-five]

The thought police banned slavery as well. I'm really looking forward to that one coming back.

They also stopped little boys going up chimneys, damn them.

But I do get a bit jaundiced when it comes to Blair's administration. In 43 years, I've never detested - hated - a government as I do now. And I lived through the Wilson years.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble guys but I don't think it sets a good example , you know people'd be like if they saw Bond smoking, kids would copy him, mothers would protest etc.

Is smoking really worse than killing in cold blood or bedding married women?

In some eyes, apparently so.

[Broadsword]

s.
such is the oh-so earnest politically correct stance taken by Britain's current crop of politicians that I'm tempted to start just to p*ss them off.

Good plan. Go for it.


I suppose we can take this towards the smoking-no smoking argument if people want.

As a former smoker I regard it as very odd behaviour and view my earlier habit through a wiser lens. Youthful silly indulgence etc. I always think Smokers look abit silly. Especially those maturing in years (30 onwards) I mean. its like a teenage rebellion thing...behind the bike sheds .....but office workers stood outside in the rain are always amusing...certainly not cool. But is a subjective debate

I have nothing against people smoking as long as I can't smell or taste it. I LOVE the fact the BLAIR decided to ban it. It took them soooo long to gather the necessary political capital (or courage depending on who you support).

You're right about foreign policy and I have always seen Blair as an anxious-to-please spineless hypocrit. But putting the death nail in tobaccos coffin: thats something I will thank him for.

Edited by Broadsword, 20 September 2006 - 10:11 AM.

[marktmurphy]

Must have missed Blair banning smoking, but somehow the idea of banning something which kills 120,000 people a year in the UK isn't something I can really complain about- especially when it's not something many people can stop by choice. We've seen one person in this thread alone who said they tried smoking because Bond looked cool doing it; if it means saving lives then I'm really not going to worry if every single aspect of Bond doesn't make it to the silver screen. You don't see anyone complaining because Pierce's Bond didn't say that homosexuals can't whistle.

[Lazenby880]

The thought police banned slavery as well. I'm really looking forward to that one coming back.

Indeed, because smoking and slavery are comparable.

We've seen one person in this thread alone who said they tried smoking because Bond looked cool doing it; if it means saving lives then I'm really not going to worry if every single aspect of Bond doesn't make it to the silver screen.

Surely by that logic, then, Bond shouldn't do all sorts of things dangerous to one's health? If some silly idiot starts smoking purely on the basis that Bond smokes that is the idiot's own fault, one can hardly start blaming a popular mainstream film for another person's lifestyle choices. What about driving fast cars in an incredibly haphazard manner? Or the sex with numerous different partners? Or the shooting and killing of other people? Aren't these attributes of Bond that some may consider 'cool'? Should we jettison them too?

Edited by Lazenby880, 20 September 2006 - 02:05 PM.

[Jim]

The thought police banned slavery as well. I'm really looking forward to that one coming back.

Indeed, because smoking and slavery are comparable.

Well obviously not, but sometimes one needn't be suspicious about those who govern us trying to improve our lives, even if it interferes with what we perceive as our freedoms. It's not always the case, and there are probably some folks out there who would want the return of slavery so this can't be much more than subjective - but I see little harm in the thought policework here.

We've seen one person in this thread alone who said they tried smoking because Bond looked cool doing it; if it means saving lives then I'm really not going to worry if every single aspect of Bond doesn't make it to the silver screen.

Surely by that logic, then, Bond shouldn't do all sorts of things dangerous to one's health? If some silly idiot starts smoking purely on the basis that Bond smokes that is the idiot's own fault, one can hardly start blaming a popular mainstream film for another person's lifestyle choices. What about driving fast cars in an incredibly haphazard manner? Or the sex with numerous different partners? Or the shooting and killing of other people? Aren't these attributes of Bond that some may consider 'cool'? Should we jettison them too?

All I can assume - and I admit that it is an assumption - is that "they" considered which elements of the character could be disposed of without changing it utterly and whilst people possibly (I know I'm veering into dangerous "most people" territory here) do go to see Bond films to watch him bang birds with abandon and shoot a lot of funny sounding people, whether they go to watch him smoke is probably more doubtful. So they've binned it.

[Daniel Craig the cool 007]

Exactly my point!It is more justified bedding women and showing sex on screen(even if it is not explicit nude scenes but very suggestive/we never see bond wearing a condom either),killing numerous baddies in cold blood (reference to Dr No,The World is not Enough and the New Casino Royale) and driving fast plus advertising brands on screen than to smoke a cigarette....Common!Its a plus to the character as it embodies who he is...Bond in Casino Royale should have smoked coz it is a dark side to the character and many bond aficionados would have loved such a factor making his way on screen...Craig would look naked without holding a cigarette as James Bond.But i also understand that the producers do want to set the example to the youth by having Bond not smoking...But it diminishes some style of the character which could have explored in an elusive way like Sean Connery at the start of Dr No and saying the immortal line...That would have been cool..They should at least say that smoking is bad in the movie and have Bond smoke or Daniel's Bond saying that he just quit when proposed a cigarrete then have Bond smoking in a deleted scene of the DVD coz he is faillible and is under stressed and lights up...That scene could be at the beginning of the movie or at the end...Wanna Bond to smoke coz its cool on screen and adds an air of sophistication and suaveness to the confidence of the character which only Craig can portray as he is the ultimate Bond!

Edited by Daniel Craig the cool 007, 20 September 2006 - 02:33 PM.