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[JCRendle]

A quote from Diane Cilento [quote]Towards the end of the evening, she sought out her husband of three years - by then world famous as James Bond - and went up to their room to find him.

[Jericho_One]

If true, that's one thing the old scot can be really ashamed of...

[urhash]

Not his finest moment.

[Bondian]

We only have her side of the story though. She says she was drunk, and possibly probably on drugs too. I hear so many real stories about how women mark themselves in order to claim compensation etc.

Why bring it up now anyway?.

[Pam Bouvier]

But she didn't recieve compensation, according to the article. No alimony.

[JCRendle]

We only have her side of the story though. She says she was drunk, and possibly probably on drugs too. I hear so many real stories about how women mark themselves in order to claim compensation etc.

Why bring it up now anyway?.

- It's in her Autobiography

[DamnCoffee]

It just proves you dont know what goes on behind closed doors

[DLibrasnow]

I believe her account.

After all, didn't Connery say in a 1960s PLAYBOY interview that he didn't see anything wrong with striking a woman?

[DamnCoffee]

Proved in DAF

[Qwerty]

Would probably be more fair to hear Connery's side on this.

[Tinfinger]

Is this the same site that goes nuts and cheers over the last line in Casino Royale? And now you wanna get all gushy over this? C'mon!

[spynovelfan]

Is this the same site that goes nuts and cheers over the last line in Casino Royale? And now you wanna get all gushy over this? C'mon!

Jesus.

What's happened to the site, by the way?

[K1Bond007]

We only have her side of the story though. She says she was drunk, and possibly probably on drugs too. I hear so many real stories about how women mark themselves in order to claim compensation etc.

Well dude it doesn't help when Connery has stated publicly three times that it's ok or has had a "they were asking for it" type of mentality. Playboy has an interview in the 60s I think where he stated it was ok. I think he got away with that one, but in the 80s he was interviewed by Barbara Walters and he said the same thing and it didn't go over well at all. In a 90s interview I think with Vanity Fair he said women ask for it sometimes. I mean.. it's not like her story is complete .

[Mister Asterix]

[mra]Terrible if true, and if true she should have brought him up on charges (understandable that she didn

[Qwerty]

What's happened to the site, by the way?

What do you mean, snf?

[Genrewriter]

Possibly the influx of repetitious threads, a bit more negativity than usual. The place does seem to be in a bit of a rut.

[Qwerty]

We're working to keep the forums as pleasant as usual and as easy to navigate without running into multiple threads on the same topic.

[Quest]

If true, ghastly stuff.

If true, I'm sure both Sean and Diane both feel awful about the past.

And, certainly not to condone or pardon such behavior, if true, but it was 40 years ago and Sean was a younger man, under a huge amount of pressure. Inexcusable, if true, but no one knows for sure what really went on.

But sad nonetheless...

[Hotwinds]

I would very much like to here Seans side of it before I would give my final opinion. If true, what bothers me the most is that he was waiting for her in the dark and came out of no where. If he was so mad why did he not start yelling at her first and let her really give it to him to make him see red. Those are the conditions he spoke of in the Barbara Walters interview.
One good thing about this. I have not heard any other woman over the years say the same thing. Either this was a freak isolated incident and we dont have the whole story, or Sean did indeed go to the dark side.
The film comunity does not seem to mind with all the awards he has been getting.



[quote name='JCRendle' post='586529' date='13 August 2006 - 21:38']
A quote from Diane Cilento [quote]Towards the end of the evening, she sought out her husband of three years - by then world famous as James Bond - and went up to their room to find him.

[Pam Bouvier]

But she didn't recieve compensation, according to the article. No alimony.

Darling, was that double Campari I mixed for you just a little on the strong side???

Not at all. But thanks, for asking . I think Connery is an amazing actor. I also think he has made some amazingly asine comments regarding violence against women over the years. The guy was a boxer...if he did what she said he did, he could have killed her.
She was smart to get out.
No man is worth being smacked around for.

[JimmyBond]

Is this the same site that goes nuts and cheers over the last line in Casino Royale? And now you wanna get all gushy over this? C'mon!

If you can't distinguish between fact or fiction you have huge problems.

[Bondian]

We only have her side of the story though. She says she was drunk, and possibly probably on drugs too. I hear so many real stories about how women mark themselves in order to claim compensation etc.

Why bring it up now anyway?.

Hi Ian...

Why Now.... ???

1)She has an autobiography out, and she is apparently staying in the Borders at Jason Connery's according to the Daily Mail. Hence to pump up the book sales.
2)The Edinburgh International Book Festival started yesterday .. guess who's going there?
3)The Edinburgh International Film Festival has just started, and Sir Sean is appearing at this over the next 2 weeks as Patron.

next question ?????

Ciao Vince

Gotta agree with ya, Doc.

Isn't it awful how Roger Moore was so hard with Maud Adams in The Man with the Golden Gun.

Maybe she could bring up how awful it was being mis-handled on the set.

Holy . Things that are brought up after all these years.

[stamper]

Cut the politically correct comments. As someone stated above, times were changing, and place the same comment in the sixties, you get nothing, same in the eighties, people are a bit shocked, today, it's "oh my god it's awful !". But Connery remained the same man thorough. I'm not saying it's good to hit women.

His experiences, to his eyes, may have forged him into thinking it's OK to hit women. He could have just avoided the problem, by chosing more carefully his partners in his youth, which he apparently did when he finally remarried to Michelle, and we never heard of any of those bursts again.

[Pam Bouvier]

Cut the politically correct comments. As someone stated above, times were changing, and place the same comment in the sixties, you get nothing, same in the eighties, people are a bit shocked, today, it's "oh my god it's awful !". But Connery remained the same man thorough. I'm not saying it's good to hit women.

His experiences, to his eyes, may have forged him into thinking it's OK to hit women. He could have just avoided the problem, by chosing more carefully his partners in his youth, which he apparently did when he finally remarried to Michelle, and we never heard of any of those bursts again.

The difference between the 60's & today is that women aren't as ashamed/embarrassed to speak up when someone makes it sound like an okay thing to hurt them.
This isn't political correctness, this is common sense. I was raised in the sixties and only thugs thought it was okay to hit women, according to my parents, who were hardly concerned with political correctness.
Today or yesterday, the comments made by Connery were dumb and very ignorant.
That doesn't make him an abuser, but it makes easier to believe he did hit his 1st wife.
As I've said before, I think he's a great actor, but no man is worth being smacked around. Not even Sean Connery.
If you guys think there is justification for such behavior here, look at your own lives. I hardly think you go around hitting the women in your lives just becasue they got on your nerves or talked to another guy!!

[Rolex]

Quite common in the 60's & 70s , i got a beating from my old man and a good slap from my mum at school we had corporal punishment, even our local bobby (cop) would give slap around the ear if you got caught doing something wrong.
There was no gasps of shock horror at the picture house, when Sean George & Roger slapped a women.
Today this type of physical violence is not acceptable and for me quite rightly so however as i said then it was different.

[Pam Bouvier]

There is a difference between James Bond slapping a woman on a mission and Sean Connery slapping around his wife.

I was spanked myself, however, my father didn't lay a hand on my Mom nor vice versa, even in the most heated of arguments.

Things were "different"...no women shelters for much of the decade, divorce laws weren't what they were today, but I remember many men were taught to "protect" and provide for their wives, not knock'em around.

[erniecureo]

At the risk of taking some heat, I'm going to jump in here and make a few points.

First, I have read the Playboy interview, and to paraphrase, he says, "It's okay in certain circumstances (hysteria, bloody-mindedness), but only a slap." Agree or disagree with that philosophy if you wish, but it's a long way from, "It's okay to hit a woman."

Second, I really question Cilento's timing and motives, and as a result, her veracity. If true, Sean was a jerk. If not, she is. Will we ever know the truth? I doubt it.

Third, (and here's where I'[ll catch heat--I just know it) why is hitting a woman taboo? I have seen drunk, obnoxious women physically attack people a few times. They were quite capable of inflicting harm, and often did. I'll tell you now--if a woman, drunk or otherwise, strikes me, I will strike her back. I will treat her the same way I'd treat a man. And to be totally, brutally, politically incorrect, I think women sometimes use their gender as a shield to allow them to do things that are beyond the pale.

Before you light the torches and asemble the villagers, let me say that I know this isn't the situation Diane Cilento describes, but I wanted to throw out this scenario, because I think it's pretty much what Sean was saying.

Bottom line: Assaulting me is not allowed. If someone strikes me, they can expect to be struck in return. Gender is not--and should not be--an issue.

Having said all that, I'll add that I haven't ever struck a woman, and have no intention of doing so. But only because one hasn't struck me, not because of some bizarre double-standard in how we respond to aggression.

[spynovelfan]

It's not *that* bizarre a double-standard, surely, is it? Women tend to be physically weaker than men. If my three-year-old daughter deliberately hits me, as she sometimes does, I don't hit her back. I leave the room or move her away from me. This is, in part, because she's significantly smaller than me.

There's also something to be said for not having the philosophy that if someone hits you you automatically hit them back.

I do agree that women *can* use the fact that hitting a woman is seen as a crime beyond all crimes to push men to the limit, when if it was a guy saying it to a guy, there'd be fisticuffs no question. And there's such a thing as mental abuse. But I think you've ignored the fact that you're stronger than most women, and therefore have an unfair advantage.

[erniecureo]

The three year old argument is apples and oranges. We're talking about adults.

As for the other, there are PLENTY of people (both men and women) out there who can kick my . I don't believe that because I am weaker, somehow they should not be allowed to hit me even after I strike them. That's just nuts.

So yeah, the double standard is bizarre.

[spynovelfan]

The three year old argument is apples and oranges. We're talking about adults.

Not the strongest counter-argument. Why are they apples and oranges? She's got her own will, and can be extremely vicious. She doesn't even know her own strength. And she can do it spitefully. She hits me first. Why shouldn't I beat the crap out of her, then?

Isn't the fact that she is significantly weaker than me a factor? Why not (don't just say 'That argument doesn't count'!)?

As for the other, there are PLENTY of people (both men and women) out there who can kick my . I don't believe that because I am weaker, somehow they should not be allowed to hit me even after I strike them. That's just nuts.

So yeah, the double standard is bizarre.

But you've just invented the double standard. The taboo isn't 'hitting a woman who's stronger than you after she's hit you is evil', is it? As you've said yourself, Connery spoke about bloodymindedness and hysteria - nothing about his being *hit* first. CIlento's story is not that she hit him first either. I think in 2006 it is acknowledged that, on occasion, women physically abuse men. The taboo is using your fists against a woman because you're having a row and by punching her you shut her up. That's the taboo. If she's stronger than you and hits you first - most people would say she was abusing you.

To use that old interweb chestnut, your argument is a straw man. You're decrying a non-existent double standard that you have just set the parameters for.