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#1 Bond#9-GeorgeKemp

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 01:00 PM

I think the Cuban beach scene in GE with Bond and Natalya is one of the best of Brosnan's run and really shows us how good he was and why, to me, he was the best Bond IMO.

Brosnan said in one of the docs that this was his hook for the movie and as an actor myself I'd say he's right. Actors tend to find a real insight into a character in a place in a script that gives them their basis for their performance and belief in the character.

This scene shows me that Brosnan's Bond had a range that I couldn't always see in the others. We've seen him be a cold-blooded killer, betrayed by his friend and now he wants revenge and Brosnan puts across a Bond-Burned perfectly.

His delivery of 'It's what keeps me alive' really shouts classic Bond and the Bond of the books.

I think this is reflected in all his movies, that Brosnan showed a Bond that could be hard and tough, but also vunerable which I don't feel any of the other Bonds ever really did. Fleming's Bond was vunerable, and if we go from that point of view, on a comparason of Fleming's Bond and that of the movies, I feel he did something that none before him did and played, with a range, the character from the books and ofcorse, added something of his own.

Izabella Scorupco also deserves a mention for a great performance in this scene and the movie, she really gave the audience a new, stronger picture of a Bond girl, something the nineties demanded.

The beach scene, returning to where I was before my little side-track, is one of my favourites of Brosnan's run because it most fully shows me his Bond and what he could do with that character.

Please post any thoughts about the scene and Mr. Brosnan's performance and thank you for listening to the ramblings of a Bondian madman. :)

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 01:18 PM

Personally I thought the whole scene was pants, but there you go. Different strokes blah blah.

#3 WhiteKnight2000

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 01:51 PM

Quite a good scene, but I have to admit I thought the whole second half of the film dragged a bit. Not really a fan of Campbells directing.

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 01:51 PM

What?

That scene wasn't even close to anything remotely good. It was so cheesy, it was unreal.

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 01:57 PM

Sort of belonged in TWINE, to be frank.

Needed a bit of a Thunderball kick in the rear at that point.

#6 Bond#9-GeorgeKemp

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 02:05 PM

Starting to see it from some of you guys' perspective and a part of me's wishing I hadn't started the thread but I stand by my beliefs!

Maybe it was just the idea of the scene that got me?

Maybe the dialogue could have been better?

The atmosphere?

(Thanks for the support WhiteKnight :))

Edited by Bond#9-GeorgeKemp, 04 August 2006 - 05:10 PM.


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Posted 02 August 2006 - 02:15 PM

I think the music dragged that scene down a bit. It sounded too soppy, like it belonged on the The Love Boat or something.

It needed a touch of Michael Kamen at that point.

Edited by WhiteKnight2000, 02 August 2006 - 02:17 PM.


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Posted 02 August 2006 - 02:17 PM

I agree, the music has always been the worst part of Goldeneye IMO. It let the whole movie down, with a David Arnold score maybe, it could have been alot better and more critically acknowledged.

#9 Harmsway

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 04:58 PM

I dislike the scene on the beach. Melodramatic, sappy, and overwrought. "It's what keeps me alive"? Bond wouldn't say that - it's a line out of some sappy romance novel, not out of Fleming.

It's not *that* awful, but it's hardly great either.

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 05:02 PM

Personally i think the beach scene was ok but natalyas russian accent got on my nerves a few times lol

#11 doublenoughtspy

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 05:12 PM

The music was pretty cheesy.

But what got me was the irony.

What is all this "peace, hugs, warm and fuzzy, don't hurt your fellow man" stuff coming from, oh I don't know, A PROGRAMMER OF A RUSSIAN SPACE WEAPON!!!!!?

#12 Johnboy007

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 01:02 AM

Especially considering part of Trevelyan's plan nearly killed her.

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Posted 04 August 2006 - 09:26 AM

Dialog aside, Brosnan sells just about every scene he's in. I like that this film has the most surprises for Brosnan's Bond, and he handles the reactions well. Wilson and Campbell remark that the little things like his delivery of the line "not exactly our finest hour" conveys some depth Brosnan brought to the character which, frankly, helped continue some of the tone Dalton introduced.

#14 Bon-san

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Posted 04 August 2006 - 12:56 PM

Starting to see it from some of you guys' perspective and a part of me's wishing I had started the thread but I stand by my beliefs!



I urge you to stick to your convictions and not be swayed by the opinions of others. Around here, one will read all manner of opinion put forth as if it were fact established by centuries of research. This is a fun James Bond forum. We all have our pet likes and dislikes. Don't be led to feel there's something wrong with that.

Cheers,

Bon-san (fan of MOONRAKER, Samantha Bond's Moneypenny, Halle Berry's Jinx, and numerous other 'atrociously bad' bits of Bond-dom)

#15 Simon

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Posted 04 August 2006 - 02:41 PM

However, all my comments are based on centuries of research so you can count me as being the exception to that rule.

#16 Bon-san

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Posted 04 August 2006 - 03:06 PM

However, all my comments are based on centuries of research so you can count me as being the exception to that rule.


Of course.

#17 Quest

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Posted 04 August 2006 - 03:27 PM

Bond#9-GeorgeKemp,

I think as a Bond film moment (if you're a Connery or Dalton fan), that scene is just too much. SC or TD's Bond would use a deadly look when someone was getting too close, or he was considering revenge. And it would all be there (in the eyes, the mouth) - it wouldn't have to be said. That IS Bond, for me.

But...if you're a fan of PB's Bond, then yes. His Bond would be more open and tell people things like that. I know a lot of women - and men for that matter - that loved that scene ("finally, Bond has some feelings") and it is one of the main reasons for PB's appeal. He's more open and sensitive, and he talks about it. That's his take on the character.

What's great is there's something for everyone in this series, for the Bonds (and his character) change pretty drastically with each actor.

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Posted 04 August 2006 - 03:36 PM

I think it's oversold and probably didn't need to be said, but works rather better in hindsight, after seeing the film, when you can sit down somewhere and have a good fanwank about it. :)

Natalya Siminova
He was a friend, Trevelyan, and now he's your enemy and you will kill him. It is that simple.

James Bond
In a word, yes.

Natalya Siminova
Unless he kills you first.

James Bond
Natalya--

Natalya Siminova
You think I'm impressed? All of you, with your guns, your killing, your death? For what? So you can be a hero? All the heroes I know are dead.

James Bond
Natalya, listen to me.

Natalya Siminova
How can you act like this? How can you be so cold?

James Bond
It's what keeps me alive.

Natalya Siminova
No. It's what keeps you alone.

I think this is a continuation of Dalton's Bond. Read it back and imagine Dalton saying the lines with Kara. It's that kind of Mills and Boon determined yet sensitive hero thing. There's also dual meaning to Bond's line: by acting cold and calculated, Bond manages to survive. But it's also what defines him - a belief that he is doing good is what drives him and makes him feel human. It's quite clever, really, but perhaps it's just a bit sappily done. Would be interesting to see Dalton do the line, because I think it would be a little different, and make slightly more sense.

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Posted 04 August 2006 - 03:55 PM

Natalya Siminova
Let met explain this to you with my fake, heavy and ridiculous accent : So your friend, Dalton, now he's gone and you will replace him. It is that simple.

James Bond
In a word, yes. Unless I'm fired by the bosses after this movie is over and out, but I doubt it.

Natalya Siminova
Unless they fire the guy who is doing all these weird electronic noises on the soundtrack first !

James Bond
Natalya--

Natalya Siminova
You think I'm impressed? All of you, with your big movies, your product tie ins, your exploits ? For what? So you can be a hero? All the heroes I know are dead.

James Bond
Natalya, listen to me. It's only a movie.

Natalya Siminova
How can you act like this? How can you be so cold?

James Bond
I just got paid one cool million by omega to represent them. It's much better than being Robinson, and it's less ridiculous. It's what keeps me alive.

Natalya Siminova
No. It's what keeps you alone.

James Bond
With a big check book, I'll never be alone on that Crusoe island again.

#20 spynovelfan

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Posted 04 August 2006 - 04:05 PM

Very good! You got the codename theory in, too. :)

#21 I never miss

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Posted 04 August 2006 - 04:06 PM

Very good! Enjoyed this version, albeit in a different way to the original.

BTW, has anyone noticed how badly-applied PB's make-up was in this scene. Look at his lips!

I love GE, but Natalya was at times a nuisence in my opinion.

#22 The Richmond Spy

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Posted 05 August 2006 - 05:54 AM

I love GE to death, but I wouldn't use "best of the series" to describe this scene.

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Posted 05 August 2006 - 09:18 AM

Natalya Siminova
Let met explain this to you with my fake, heavy and ridiculous accent : So your friend, Dalton, now he's gone and you will replace him. It is that simple.

James Bond
In a word, yes. Unless I'm fired by the bosses after this movie is over and out, but I doubt it.

Natalya Siminova
Unless they fire the guy who is doing all these weird electronic noises on the soundtrack first !

James Bond
Natalya--

Natalya Siminova
You think I'm impressed? All of you, with your big movies, your product tie ins, your exploits ? For what? So you can be a hero? All the heroes I know are dead.

James Bond
Natalya, listen to me. It's only a movie.

Natalya Siminova
How can you act like this? How can you be so cold?

James Bond
I just got paid one cool million by omega to represent them. It's much better than being Robinson, and it's less ridiculous. It's what keeps me alive.

Natalya Siminova
No. It's what keeps you alone.

James Bond
With a big check book, I'll never be alone on that Crusoe island again.



lol :P :) that sounds cool

#24 Jericho_One

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Posted 05 August 2006 - 03:51 PM

I love GE, but Natalya was at times a nuisence in my opinion.


Even with the fake accent, she was hardly a nuisence... :)

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Posted 05 August 2006 - 11:31 PM


I love GE, but Natalya was at times a nuisence in my opinion.


Even with the fake accent, she was hardly a nuisence... :)

And her crotch shot in that beach scene was OK too.

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Posted 05 August 2006 - 11:57 PM

And her crotch shot in that beach scene was OK too.

Actually. Bond's line "it's what kees me alive" should have come immediately after the "crotch shot". :)

He could have used his "boys with toys" testicular low angle shot. :P

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Posted 06 August 2006 - 12:20 AM

Not to be the one dragging this thread out of the gutter, but I wanted to agree with those who thought the scene needed some better music. All in all, Serra's score dragged down the whole film for me.

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Posted 06 August 2006 - 04:05 AM

I really liked the scene. I never thought of it being sappy, but I guess it is a little when I think about it. Still a good scene anyways IMO.

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Posted 06 August 2006 - 04:09 AM

Natalya Siminova
Let met explain this to you with my fake, heavy and ridiculous accent : So your friend, Dalton, now he's gone and you will replace him. It is that simple.

James Bond
In a word, yes. Unless I'm fired by the bosses after this movie is over and out, but I doubt it.

Natalya Siminova
Unless they fire the guy who is doing all these weird electronic noises on the soundtrack first !

James Bond
Natalya--

Natalya Siminova
You think I'm impressed? All of you, with your big movies, your product tie ins, your exploits ? For what? So you can be a hero? All the heroes I know are dead.

James Bond
Natalya, listen to me. It's only a movie.

Natalya Siminova
How can you act like this? How can you be so cold?

James Bond
I just got paid one cool million by omega to represent them. It's much better than being Robinson, and it's less ridiculous. It's what keeps me alive.

Natalya Siminova
No. It's what keeps you alone.

James Bond
With a big check book, I'll never be alone on that Crusoe island again.


Would have been interesting to see that in the movie instead.

#30 Tarl_Cabot

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Posted 06 August 2006 - 04:16 AM



I love GE, but Natalya was at times a nuisence in my opinion.


Even with the fake accent, she was hardly a nuisence... :P

And her crotch shot in that beach scene was OK too.


Hahahahaha!!!!!! :P

Per scene: nothing wrong really just nothing especially wowing about it...I liked the score...but he did need a haircut! :)