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[Royal Dalton]

'Twins' writers Will Davies and Will Osborne wrote the script for the aborted third Timothy Dalton James Bond film, which would have been released in the Autumn of 1991.

Has anyone here ever read it?

[zencat]

That's news to me.

[Gobi-1]

I read that the film would be titled "The Property of a Lady" and would deal with robotics. The Disney studio was even contracted to design the robots.

Info from 007 Forever
http://www.007foreve...s/ws-tpoal.html

Edited by Gobi-1, 09 December 2005 - 08:24 PM.

[Mister Asterix]

I read that the film would be titled "The Property of a Lady" and would deal with robotics. The Disney studio was even contracted to design the robots.

Info from 007 Forever
http://www.007foreve...s/ws-tpoal.html

Sure, but that script is supposedly by Alphonse Ruggerio, Jr.

[Royal Dalton]

That's news to me. 

It was mentioned in the August 1993 issue of Film Review, and in a 1995 issue of BondMag (#11, I think).

[Flavius]

Now this is interesting stuff. A third Dalton film would have been a treat.

Still.... he could always come back in a video game.....

[ACE]

That's news to me. 

I had heard this somewhere too. Will try to source it. I think they were one of the teams who were asked to produce treatments post-MGM litigation in 1993. Along with some notable others!

I read that the film would be titled "The Property of a Lady" and would deal with robotics. The Disney studio was even contracted to design the robots.

Info from 007 Forever
http://www.007foreve...s/ws-tpoal.html

Sure, but that script is supposedly by Alphonse Ruggerio, Jr.

Mr * is correct. The link refers to the MGW/Alfonse Ruggerio Jnr treatment reproduced here:

http://debrief.comma...showtopic=23731

The title, Property of a Lady, is entirely apocryphal. Certainly the treatment makes no mention of it or anything like it.

ACE

[Royal Dalton]

I think they were one of the teams who were asked to produce treatments post-MGM litigation in 1993.

It wasn't one of those treatments, Ace. It was a full-length screenplay for the 1991 film, that was supposed to have started shooting in late 1990, before the production was halted.

In all likelihood, it probably was based on the treatment by Michael G. Wilson and Alphonse Ruggiero, Jr. The time frame involved would seem to suggest that, at least.

I'll see if I can dig out one of the articles where it was mentioned. If I can, I'll scan it, and post it on here later today.

Edited by Royal Dalton, 10 December 2005 - 05:36 AM.

[ACE]

I think they were one of the teams who were asked to produce treatments post-MGM litigation in 1993.

It wasn't one of those treatments, Ace. It was a full-length screenplay for the 1991 film, that was supposed to have started shooting in late 1990, before the production was halted.

In all likelihood, it probably was based on the treatment by Michael G. Wilson and Alphonse Ruggiero, Jr. The time frame involved would seem to suggest that, at least.

I'll see if I can dig out one of the articles where it was mentioned. If I can, I'll scan it, and post it on here later today.

Yes please, RD. The sourcing is all important otherwise it is just an internet sigh. I do vaguely remember this Brit writing team being involved. Was it in the article where Dalton says Bond 17 is a combination of Bond and Batman?

[Royal Dalton]

Yes please, RD. The sourcing is all important otherwise it is just an internet sigh.

Absolutely, Ace. I can appreciate that.

I checked #11 of BondMag, and it doesn't mention Will Osborne and Will Davies after all. It just says that John Glen and Richard Maibaum had left the series, that Cubby Broccoli was unsatisfied with the script for Bond 17, and that filming wouldn't commence before the beginning of 1991, for a late 1991 release.

But here's the article from Film Review, that does mention Osborne and Davies. This is from the August 1993 issue, so the article would have been written in mid-late June 1993.

[ACE]

Well this tallies with my earlier post stating the Osbourne/Davis script was one of the post 1993 lititgation scripts/treatments.

Good post, RD.

ACE

[hrabb04]

To be or not to be....not to be

[Royal Dalton]

Well this tallies with my earlier post stating the Osbourne/Davis script was one of the post 1993 lititgation scripts/treatments.

I really think they must have written the script for the 1991 film, Ace.

If you look at their credits on IMDb, there's a gap in their CV between 1988 and 1992, which would fit in with them writing the James Bond script during that period. Although, they were doing a bit of script doctoring at that time, as well.

But I don't think there would have been enough time between the litigation ending, and Michael France starting work on GoldenEye, for them to have written a storyline, had it approved by Eon and MGM/UA, written the script, and then had it rejected.

Also, John Cork said in his recent CBn interview:

'I called my agent to ask her what was happening with the new Bond film since legal entanglements had been cleared up between MGM and Danjaq/Eon. She called me back and said,

[Kingdom Come]

I like the idea of their Property Of A Lady screenplay a lot.

[Royal Dalton]

Just a quick update on this, as I've had it confirmed today from Will Osborne's agent that he and Will Davies wrote two drafts of the screenplay for the 1991 film.

So, it seems pretty likely that the script was based on the Wilson/Ruggiero treatment.

[Gri007]

I like the idea of their Property Of A Lady screenplay a lot.

Who knows. The film may one day come about. If a script for a Fleming title has already been written it will be stupid not to use it.

[Myrddin]

I like the idea of their Property Of A Lady screenplay a lot.

Who knows. The film may one day come about. If a script for a Fleming title has already been written it will be stupid not to use it.

I agree with you.

[ACE]

Just a quick update on this, as I've had it confirmed today from Will Osborne's agent that he and Will Davies wrote two drafts of the screenplay for the 1991 film.

So, it seems pretty likely that the script was based on the Wilson/Ruggiero treatment.

Well done, RD. Good work.

[Qwerty]

I like the idea of their Property Of A Lady screenplay a lot.

It is a great title and probably one of the best ones left that the film series could/should use in my opinion.

[Byron]

I like the idea of their Property Of A Lady screenplay a lot.

It is a great title and probably one of the best ones left that the film series could/should use in my opinion.

The timing was right back in the early 90's with the handover of Hong Kong to China fresh in the minds of many.

I really liked this script, the long and exciting car chase with Bond against henchman Rodin would have been great. We would also have a third Tim Dalton Bond set in the exotic Orient. The PTS with the nuclear/chemical weapons plant blowing up would also have been great.

They should have made this one, or at least convinced Dalton to do Goldeneye with a script tailored to his dark and gritty take.

Imagine Dalton starring in Goldeneye and 3 films in total, with Brosnan doing the appalling 3 that followed TND, TWINE and DUD. Brosnan's legacy would have been one of the worst.

Great article Royal Dalton, many thanks for posting it.

Edited by Byron, 22 December 2005 - 03:34 AM.

[SportzStooge007]

It makes you wonder....will they go back to this abandoned screenplay for Bond22?

They said Purvis and Wade were writing starting the B22 script.

After using one Fleming title/story, maybe they'll use another Fleming title and make a Fleming-esque story to go with it!



Or at least I wish they'd do that....

[Mercator]

I like the idea of their Property Of A Lady screenplay a lot.

It is a great title and probably one of the best ones left that the film series could/should use in my opinion.

But it has already been used very specifically in Octopussy.

[Donovan]

It makes you wonder....will they go back to this abandoned screenplay for Bond22?

They said Purvis and Wade were writing starting the B22 script.

After using one Fleming title/story, maybe they'll use another Fleming title and make a Fleming-esque story to go with it!



Or at least I wish they'd do that....

I think the reason they're already working on the next one is they want to try and get a new film out in 2007. I think it's easier for writers to start from scratch than to try and salvage something that wasn't really working. There are a lot of things I prefer in Michael France's "Goldeneye" than what eventually became "GoldenEye". But one problem with that script is you could tell it would be expensive to shoot.

[Number 6]

Man...What could have been...

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

I like the idea of their Property Of A Lady screenplay a lot.

It is a great title and probably one of the best ones left that the film series could/should use in my opinion.

But it has already been used very specifically in Octopussy.

Well it was used in Octopussy but I think it could still work as a title. Look at TWINE. It is Bond's family motto and was mentioned in OHMSS and then later became the title of a film. It has a very Bondian sound as does POAL. It would be great if they used the unused Fleming titles for Craig's films. POAL could also be a little easter egg for the fans. I can see it.

Casino Royale
Property Of A Lady
Risico

The Daniel Craig Bond Trilogy

Its a shame Dalton never got a third outing as Bond. I hope Craig's Bond will be just as Dark and Gritty as Dalton's and from the sound of things so far they may very well be and then some.

[stamper]

I think the reason they're already working on the next one is they want to try and get a new film out in 2007. I think it's easier for writers to start from scratch than to try and salvage something that wasn't really working.

Er, Casino Royale, isn't that all old news ? The Maibaum / Wilson 1985 treatment + the Tarantino CR idea that have done the rounds for the last 10 years ?

Nothing is ever new in 007 movie world. They talk about all the movies being 5mn in the future, I say they are all 5 mn into the past.

Dr No to OHMSS & DAF : ground breaking, Bond etablishes a new style, that everyone apes. DAF is the grand, overblown finale.

LALD : rips off the blaxploitation fashion.

MWGG : rips off the kung fu craze.

SWLM : rips off past Bonds.

Moonraker : Rips off Star Wars

FYEO : failed attempt to go back to FRWL style, rips off early Bonds.

Octopussy : Rips off Indiana Jones

AVTAK : Rips off Goldfinger, badly I would say.

Living Daylights : Mix of Indy and other 80's action fare.

LTK : Rips off Miami Vice / Lethal Weapon 4 years too late

Goldeneye : Rips off Die Hard and those action style, only nearly 10 years after !

TND : rips off new interest in HK movies, along with SWLM, but I think it's the most ground breaking of recent Bonds, in terms of ideas (media = evil)

WINE : I shudder, did like the pre-credits.

DAD : compilation of all previous Bond, the end of an era.

I think it's time to go back and set the style, not copy other styles.

[Mr_Wint]

I think the reason they're already working on the next one is they want to try and get a new film out in 2007. I think it's easier for writers to start from scratch than to try and salvage something that wasn't really working.

Er, Casino Royale, isn't that all old news ? The Maibaum / Wilson 1985 treatment + the Tarantino CR idea that have done the rounds for the last 10 years ?

Nothing is ever new in 007 movie world. They talk about all the movies being 5mn in the future, I say they are all 5 mn into the past.

Dr No to OHMSS & DAF : ground breaking, Bond etablishes a new style, that everyone apes. DAF is the grand, overblown finale.

LALD : rips off the blaxploitation fashion.

MWGG : rips off the kung fu craze.

SWLM : rips off past Bonds.

Moonraker : Rips off Star Wars

FYEO : failed attempt to go back to FRWL style, rips off early Bonds.

Octopussy : Rips off Indiana Jones

AVTAK : Rips off Goldfinger, badly I would say.

Living Daylights : Mix of Indy and other 80's action fare.

LTK : Rips off Miami Vice / Lethal Weapon 4 years too late

Goldeneye : Rips off Die Hard and those action style, only nearly 10 years after !

TND : rips off new interest in HK movies, along with SWLM, but I think it's the most ground breaking of recent Bonds, in terms of ideas (media = evil)

WINE : I shudder, did like the pre-credits.

DAD : compilation of all previous Bond, the end of an era.

I think it's time to go back and set the style, not copy other styles.

stamper : A Bondfan, nearly 35 years too late!

[Number 6]

I think the reason they're already working on the next one is they want to try and get a new film out in 2007. I think it's easier for writers to start from scratch than to try and salvage something that wasn't really working.

Er, Casino Royale, isn't that all old news ? The Maibaum / Wilson 1985 treatment + the Tarantino CR idea that have done the rounds for the last 10 years ?

Nothing is ever new in 007 movie world. They talk about all the movies being 5mn in the future, I say they are all 5 mn into the past.

Dr No to OHMSS & DAF : ground breaking, Bond etablishes a new style, that everyone apes. DAF is the grand, overblown finale.

LALD : rips off the blaxploitation fashion.

MWGG : rips off the kung fu craze.

SWLM : rips off past Bonds.

Moonraker : Rips off Star Wars

FYEO : failed attempt to go back to FRWL style, rips off early Bonds.

Octopussy : Rips off Indiana Jones

AVTAK : Rips off Goldfinger, badly I would say.

Living Daylights : Mix of Indy and other 80's action fare.

LTK : Rips off Miami Vice / Lethal Weapon 4 years too late

Goldeneye : Rips off Die Hard and those action style, only nearly 10 years after !

TND : rips off new interest in HK movies, along with SWLM, but I think it's the most ground breaking of recent Bonds, in terms of ideas (media = evil)

WINE : I shudder, did like the pre-credits.

DAD : compilation of all previous Bond, the end of an era.

I think it's time to go back and set the style, not copy other styles.

stamper : A Bondfan, nearly 35 years too late!

LOL!

[stamper]

As long as DVD exists, I will be up to date LOL !

[Panavision]

Octopussy rips off Indy Jones? Tell me more.

Living Daylights : Mix of Indy and other 80's action fare. - explain this please.

LTK : Rips off Miami Vice / Lethal Weapon 4 years too late. - Lethal Weapon? Exactly how?