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You Only Live Twice: Fleming's Best?


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#1 Lazenby880

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Posted 18 November 2005 - 10:07 PM

Perhaps one of Ian Fleming's strengths was that he never repeated himself. The Bond series ranges wildly from the 'down-to-earth' (if one will pardon the term) Moonraker to the truly fantastical You Only Live Twice. From the conventional to the adventurous. It is the breadth of styles, characters and structures that the Bond series encompasses that makes it truly remarkable, and yet throughout the protagonist remains very much the same character; despite his gradual descent into the turmoil which Fleming inflicts upon him in You Only Live Twice.

Risky, bold and imaginitive is You Only Live Twice. The novel is the most important of the Bond series; moreso, perhaps, even than On Her Majesty's Secret Service. It represents the depth of the downward spiral that Bond goes through from the beginning, to the point that in the second chapter Bond is in the grip of abject depression. We see Bond at his most interesting, and Fleming seems to have thoroughly enjoyed putting his character through the grinder. We have a vulnerable Bond throughout; at first due to the loss of his wife as a result of his previous mission and then at being a gaijin in a society he does not understand. It is not a vulnerability in the feminine sense but an uncertainty about his life, his work and, indeed, his abilities.

The other characters are amongst Fleming's best drawn. Dikko Henderson, the brash Australian, has a good claim to be one of Bond's best allies. Tiger Tanaka, whom Fleming uses as an example of and statement on Japanese society, gives the piece some added depth. And Kissy Suzuki, who does not appear until around half way through the book, nevertheless makes an indelible impression. As so often in You Only Live Twice, part of her strength is simply that she is so interesting and unconventional; and her actions at the end of the novel suggest that she is more than capable of getting what she wants.

Fleming drenches the entire piece in a sumptuous atmosphere, partcularly through the use of the Japanese locale. One really gets a sense that Fleming was enthused while writing You Only Live Twice, so richly and vividly does he infuse the novel with Japanese culture and character. It is almost as if Fleming was aware of the bizarre nature of what he was writing and really pushed the envelope. The Garden of Death. Toad sweat. The geyser in the Question Room. Yes, by the final page events take a most wonderfully weird and warped turn that the novel could certainly be described as Fleming's most interesting and daring.

Indeed, by delaying the revelation that Doctor Shatterhand - the collector of death - is in fact Blofeld and his ugly wife Irma Bunt and the resulting action until the final third of the book Fleming ensures that as well as in terms of ideas his structure is similarly daring and, ergo, engaging. So meticulous is the plotting and build-up that the reader is gripped from page one, while being absorbed by the atmosphere Fleming evokes and the prose that ensures You Only Live Twice is a classic in any sense of the term. His writing is truly magnificent, and what some other commentators have described as the 'Fleming sweep' is discernable throughout the passages. There are times when he is quite simply poetic with a use of words that will draw awe even in the most pretentious of readers.

So; is You Only Live Twice Fleming's best? In the view of the author of this piece of slavish fanboy rambling masquerading as some sort of review, yes. It has much to recommend it: Fleming's undeniable sadism, its ludicrousness, the lyrical beauty of much of Fleming

Edited by Lazenby880, 21 November 2005 - 03:09 PM.


#2 Loomis

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Posted 18 November 2005 - 10:14 PM

Superb post, Lazenby880. Yes, the supporting characters are especially vivid.

Fleming's best? Yes, by miles. In fact I'll say this: were it not for "You Only Live Twice", I'm sure I'd be much less of a fan of Fleming, indeed not really interested in his work at all (I was a huge fan of the Bond films for many years before I became a fan of the novels - in fact, people's posts on CBn got me interested in them, and YOLT got me hooked).

YOLT is an absolute masterpiece. In a way, it's a pity that (IMO, at least) nothing else in the literary series measures up to it; and in a way it's terrific that the series boasts such a towering achievement, such a glittering jewel in the crown (okay, I'll stop raving now before I go way OTT :tup: ).

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Posted 18 November 2005 - 10:30 PM

[quote name='Loomis' date='18 November 2005 - 22:14']Superb post, Lazenby880. Yes, the supporting characters are especially vivid.

Fleming's best? Yes, by miles. In fact I'll say this: were it not for "You Only Live Twice", I'm sure I'd be much less of a fan of Fleming, indeed not really interested in his work at all (I was a huge fan of the Bond films

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Posted 18 November 2005 - 10:38 PM

Ask me my favourite Bond novel and sometimes I will reply You Only Live Twice, sometimes From Russia With Love, and sometimes On Her Majesty’s Secret Service. But ask about the best James Bond novel I will always say always You Only Live Twice. A masterpiece of the typewriter. Fleming borrows the structure from the novel he apparently considered a failure in The Spy Who Loved Me, and beautifully applies it to a new amazing tale. This time a complete success.

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Posted 18 November 2005 - 10:42 PM

Fleming borrows the structure from the novel he apparently considered a failure in The Spy Who Loved Me, and beautifully applies it to a new amazing tale.

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Never noticed that. Not disputing it, either. But I'd like to read a bit more of your thoughts on this one. :D How does YOLT resemble TSWLM in terms of structure? And what do you think Fleming did wrong with TSWLM that he went on to do right with YOLT (if indeed you also consider TSWLM to be not exactly a 100% raging success)?

Lazenby880, funnily enough, I've never really liked "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" (re-read it recently and, frankly, found it a bore) or "Moonraker", although I'm re-reading "Moonraker" and it's beginning to grow on me a bit. Still, not sure that that says anything other than: to each his own. :tup:

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Posted 19 November 2005 - 12:04 AM

Superb post, Lazenby880. Yes, the supporting characters are especially vivid.

Fleming's best? Yes, by miles. In fact I'll say this: were it not for "You Only Live Twice", I'm sure I'd be much less of a fan of Fleming, indeed not really interested in his work at all (I was a huge fan of the Bond films  for many years before I became a fan of the novels - in fact, people's posts on CBn got me interested in them, and YOLT got me hooked).

YOLT is an absolute masterpiece. In a way, it's a pity that (IMO, at least) nothing else in the literary series measures up to it; and in a way it's terrific that the series boasts such a towering achievement, such a glittering jewel in the crown (okay, I'll stop raving now before I go way OTT :tup: ).

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Hehe. We agree again, Loomis. :D

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Posted 19 November 2005 - 12:07 AM

YOLT is certainly the weirdest Bond book--it may the weirdest work to ever feature James Bond. It contains several things we probably will never see in the movies:

* Bond reduced to an incompetent, boozing wreck.
* Bond getting amnesia
* Bond getting the Bond girl pregnant
* Bond losing his mojo and getting it back through toad sweat.

I agree with whoever once called YOLT a moder day "fertility myth." It's about Bond losing and regaining the qualities that make him Bond. The only real flaw with the book is that the japan travelogue is too long for some people (not me though).

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Posted 19 November 2005 - 04:13 AM

I have never been all that wild about You Only Live Twice. Maybe because as blackjack60 said that it can be too much of a travelogue for some people. I don't dislike the novel though. It has great characters and is easily the most atmospheric. The garden of death is a superb idea and it had a good final battle with Ernst Stavro Blofeld. But the best Ian Fleming novel? Not in my opinion. That would go to From Russia, With Love.

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Posted 19 November 2005 - 05:26 AM

I have never been all that wild about You Only Live Twice. Maybe because as blackjack60 said that it can be too much of a travelogue for some people. I don't dislike the novel though. It has great characters and is easily the most atmospheric. The garden of death is a superb idea and it had a good final battle with Ernst Stavro Blofeld. But the best Ian Fleming novel? Not in my opinion. That would go to From Russia, With Love.

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But at best, FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE is just another thriller. A great one at that, but YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE is so much more than that. It's a portrait of a broken man and his recovery and healing. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, in my opinion, is the one Fleming novel that rises above its pulp origins to become an actual work of art.

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Posted 19 November 2005 - 11:13 AM

But at best, FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE is just another thriller. A great one at that, but YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE is so much more than that. It's a portrait of a broken man and his recovery and healing. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, in my opinion, is the one Fleming novel that rises above its pulp origins to become an actual work of art.

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Good point; and I concur with your opinion that You Only Live Twice is not a pulp thriller (great as they are) but a piece of art. And yes, this is partly because of Fleming's depiction of Bond as broken and dejected; Bond is no longer the 'everyman' of Casino Royale but one in the depths of depression. The novel, thus, acts as a benchmark for the character so deeply does Fleming delve into the shattering of Bond; people still speak of Colonel Sun as a 'post-YOLT' Bond, or of fan fiction authors being on a 'YOLT kick'.

Perhaps its great strength is that it is a book not about James Bond as a protagonist but a survey of his character. Blackjack may indeed be right. Perhaps You Only live Twice is an acquired taste, so intricate is the Japanese travelogue. Personally I soaked it all up, and found myself absorbed in the atmosphere it creates. For some, conversely, perhaps it is too long in which too little happens. I would urge them, however, to have another look.

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Posted 19 November 2005 - 01:35 PM

YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, in my opinion, is the one Fleming novel that rises above its pulp origins to become an actual work of art.

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I'm curious as to whether people recognised that at the time. What were the responses of Bond fans, critics and general readers in 1964? Was "You Only Live Twice" received as anything out of the ordinary, or did it kind of get "lost" in the reactions to Fleming's death (I believe it was published posthumously)? And given both Fleming's passing and the book's tragic ending*, was it assumed to be the final Bond novel?

Anyone know of any sites carrying reviews of YOLT from '64? I mean, was anyone writing stuff like "Twelve books in, and Mr Fleming has finally delivered a masterpiece", and "If you think if you've read one Bond book you've read 'em all think again"? Or was it more a case of "Ho-hum, yet another Bond adventure - talk about scraping the barrel"? Or did YOLT get a super-kind reception because of Fleming's death?

Also, I wonder whether YOLT has a high reputation outside the fairly small world of Bond fandom. As far as I'm aware, it doesn't. I'm under the impression that Joe Blow and Joe Blow Literary Critic generally consider "Casino Royale" and "Goldfinger" to be Fleming's true classics, while the likes of YOLT are more or less forgotten.

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*I think the whole point of the ending of "You Only Live Twice" is that Bond is walking off to death (or, at best, lifelong imprisonment) in the Soviet Union (the reader knows this, but Bond, of course, doesn't), but (and, again, Bond dosn't know this, which cranks up the poignancy factor to the max) that Bond will, in a way, live on, through his child. Bond brings about his own destruction and his own resurrection. He also walks out on the only woman who truly loved him (Tracy, I submit, needed him), who loves him enough to let him go. It's a terrific, heartbreaking ending.

(This theory is kind of knocked into a cocked hat by the fact that Fleming started work on "The Man With the Golden Gun", but I can only assume that Fleming intended to "kill off" Bond in YOLT, but changed his mind after completing YOLT.)

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Posted 19 November 2005 - 03:22 PM

...in a way it's terrific that the series boasts such a towering achievement, such a glittering jewel in the crown (okay, I'll stop raving now before I go way OTT :D ).

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Too late.


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Posted 19 November 2005 - 03:31 PM

Count me in the faction that says FRWL, OHMSS, and YOLT are my fave Flemings, with the top position taken by whichever one I've read most recently.

As to "best", it's difficult for me to compare YOLT with the others in that it does seem to belong in a different genre.

A wonderful work it is, though. Wonderful. The image of the Garden of Death haunted me for years after my first read in my teens. And the final confrontation with Blofeld had a surrealistic quality that I found entirely captivating.

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Posted 20 November 2005 - 07:50 AM

I hate to mention my thoughts in a thread so obviously biased as this one, but I thought YOLT was just alright. I, frankly, prefer Moonraker or FRWL, but I liked it better than Goldfinger and TMWTGG. Certainly, it was cool seeing Bond finally avenge Tracy, but...I dunno, I guess as far as the novels go, I prefer the more grounded 'thriller' side of things.

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 09:17 AM

[quote name='Lazenby880' date='18 November 2005 - 22:07']Perhaps one of Ian Fleming's strengths was that he never repeated himself. The Bond series ranges wildly from the 'down-to-earth' (if one will pardon the term) Moonraker to the truly fantastical You Only Live Twice. From the conventional to the adventurous. It is the breadth of styles, characters and structures that the Bond series encompasses that makes it truly remarkable, and yet throughout the protagonist remains very much the same character; despite his gradual descent into the turmoil which Fleming inflicts upon him in You Only Live Twice.

Risky, bold and imaginitive is You Only Live Twice. The novel is the most important of the Bond series; moreso, perhaps, even than On Her Majesty's Secret Service. It represents the depth of the downward spiral that Bond goes through from the beginning, to the point that in the second chapter Bond is in the grip of abject depression. We see Bond at his most interesting, and Fleming seems to have thoroughly enjoyed putting his character through the grinder. We have a vulnerable Bond throughout; at first due to the loss of his wife as a result of his previous mission and then at being a gaijin in a society he does not understand. It is not a vulnerability in the feminine sense but an uncertainty about his life, his work and, indeed, his abilities.

The other characters are amongst Fleming's best drawn. Dikko Henderson, the brash Australian, has a good claim to be one of Bond's best allies. Tiger Tanaka, whom Fleming uses as an example of and statement on Japanese society, gives the piece some added depth. And Kissy Suzuki, who does not appear until around half way through the book, nevertheless makes an indelible impression. As so often in You Only Live Twice, part of her strength is simply that she is so interesting and unconventional; and her actions at the end of the novel suggest that she is more than capable of getting what she wants.

Fleming drenches the entire piece in a sumptuous atmosphere, partcularly through the use of the Japanese locale. One really gets a sense that Fleming was enthused while writing You Only Live Twice, so richly and vividly does he infuse the novel with Japanese culture and character. It is almost as if Fleming was aware of the bizarre nature of what he was writing and really pushed the envelope. The Garden of Death. Toad sweat. The geyser in the Question Room. Yes, by the final page events take a most wonderfully weird and warped turn that the novel could certainly be described as Fleming's most interesting and daring.

Indeed, by delaying the revelation that Doctor Shatterhand - the collector of death - is in fact Blofeld and his ugly wife Irma Bunt and the resulting action until the final third of the book Fleming ensures that as well as in terms of ideas his structure is similarly daring and, ergo, engaging. So meticulous is the plotting and build-up that the reader is gripped from page one, while being absorbed by the atmosphere Fleming evokes and the prose that ensures You Only Live Twice is a classic in any sense of the term. His writing is truly magnificent, and what some other commentators have described as the 'Fleming sweep' is discernable throughout the passages. There are times when he is quite simply poetic with a use of words that will draw awe even in the most pretentious of readers.

So; is You Only Live Twice Fleming's best? In the view of the author of this piece of slavish fanboy rambling masquerading as some sort of review, yes. It has much to recommend it: Fleming's undeniable sadism, its ludicrousness, the lyrical beauty of much of Fleming

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 10:43 AM

[quote name='Lazenby880' post='483114' date='18 November 2005 - 22:07']
So; is You Only Live Twice Fleming's best? In the view of the author of this piece of slavish fanboy rambling masquerading as some sort of review, yes. It has much to recommend it: Fleming's undeniable sadism, its ludicrousness, the lyrical beauty of much of Fleming

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Posted 10 February 2006 - 04:22 PM

Perhaps one of Ian Fleming's strengths was that he never repeated himself.


What, dear sir? What? He repeated himself the entire bloody time! Sure, MR is more down to earth than YOLT, but they both feature a villain masquerading as a great philanthropist; Bond falling for a woman; Bond being captured by the villain. There are several scenes that Fleming repeated: compare the stripper scene in TMWTGG to the one in LALD. Several books start with Bond jaded and worn out and concerned about his abilities. Most feature Bond being sent to do one thing and finding out something else. Many of the villains are similar, ditto the women.


First of all, allow me to check that my nose is still intact. Ah yes, there it is. :D Now, I am not trying to suggest that Ian Fleming never repeated himself in the details, and perhaps I should have made that point clearer, however it is surely a massive stretch to try and draw an overall similarity between MOONRAKER and YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE. One is truly wild, bizarre and exotic. The other, quite plainly, isn't. Yes, several female characters are broadly similar (women never were Fleming's strong point) but can you really attest that DR NO has much akin - on the whole - with CASINO ROYALE, apart from the central character? In terms of tone, language, atmosphere and more Fleming rarely repeated himself. The Bond series under his penmanship ran the gauntlet from pulpy eroticism to espionage thriller, with much else besides.

I do agree on the strength of the language, but the plotting is dire, even by Fleming's standards (he was never a plotter, really). For me, the late revelation that Shatterhand is Blofeld weakens the book substantially. Fleming often relied on coincidence, and he had some very weak ones in other novels (the chap he finds cheating at cards while on holiday, for example, just so happens to be the man M wants him to track down a few days later - and is SMERSH's chief treasurer; while in a health spa, he crosses swords with a man who just so happens to be the lynchpin of a worlwide conspiracy, and so on). But this one really takes the biscuit. He's sent out to Japan by M on a kind of 'do or die' mission (as he is in TMWTGG), and while there, Tanaka engages him as a private assassin to kill a pesky gaijin. Just as he's about to get to the man's castle, he is shown a photo of the chap. By Jove! He killed my wife last year!

A masterpiece? Yes, but a flawed one. :D


It weakened the book?! Surely the delayed revelation allowed Fleming to masterfully develop a magnificent sense of ambience with post-war Japan falling off the pages, creating a dream-like atmosphere throughout. And to the huge coincedence. Was it realistic? No. But was Fleming ever? Personally, and I would suggest some others were in a smiliar position as I, I was so absorbed in the said atmosphere that I took the coincedence and was unbothered by it. That, for me, is one of the primary strengths of Fleming, so drawn in is the reader that they are (mostly) unperturbed by the somewhat lackadaisical plotting in places.

Unrealistic though YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE undoubtedly is (and let us face it, Fleming cannot be noted for his realism), the novel is nevertheless not impaired because of it. A masterpiece? Yes, with no appendum. :tup:

Edited by Lazenby880, 10 February 2006 - 04:24 PM.


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Posted 10 February 2006 - 05:38 PM

(women never were Fleming's strong point)


As a woman, I protest. Each one is unique and most of them sound like someone I'd love to have a chat with.

Except for Ruby; she's just silly.

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Posted 10 February 2006 - 06:15 PM

Thanks heavens for the occasional silly person. Keeps things interesting, I say. :tup:

[Admittedly, I prefer Maibaum/Hunt/Scoular's version of Ruby to Fleming's orginal]

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Posted 11 February 2006 - 01:02 PM

Now, I am not trying to suggest that Ian Fleming never repeated himself in the details, and perhaps I should have made that point clearer, however it is surely a massive stretch to try and draw an overall similarity between MOONRAKER and YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE. One is truly wild, bizarre and exotic. The other, quite plainly, isn't.


Well, yes, true. :D I do think the supposed 'grittiness' of MR is rather over-done, though: it is less exotic, of course, from a travelogue point of view, but the plot is pretty wild and bizarre. It involves a disguised Mad Hun and his army of moustachioed scientists building a weapon to annihilate London.

Yes, several female characters are broadly similar (women never were Fleming's strong point) but can you really attest that DR NO has much akin - on the whole - with CASINO ROYALE, apart from the central character?


No, those two are pretty dissimilar. But I think women were one of Fleming's greatest strengths.

In terms of tone, language, atmosphere and more Fleming rarely repeated himself.


Not sure about that. The tone of most of his novels seem pretty similar to me, with the exception of CR. Atmosphere certainly is repeated - especially as many of the books are set in Jamaica. Language he repeated himself constantly: gunmetal, spectre, niggerhead and much more. Compare Draco and Darko: apart from being of the same bandit type, both horrifically abuse a woman, but the woman chooses to stay with them.

I love Fleming's work, but the idea that he never repeated himself seems a bit of a stretch!

Surely the delayed revelation allowed Fleming to masterfully develop a magnificent sense of ambience with post-war Japan falling off the pages, creating a dream-like atmosphere throughout.


He could have done that otherwise.

And to the huge coincedence. Was it realistic? No. But was Fleming ever?


Surprisingly often, I find. :D

That, for me, is one of the primary strengths of Fleming, so drawn in is the reader that they are (mostly) unperturbed by the somewhat lackadaisical plotting in places.


True.

Unrealistic though YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE undoubtedly is (and let us face it, Fleming cannot be noted for his realism), the novel is nevertheless not impaired because of it. A masterpiece? Yes, with no appendum. :tup:


This is, of course, all subjective. I found the coincidence too large - you clearly didn't. :D

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Posted 11 February 2006 - 07:41 PM

The best, I don't think so. Though it is a very good novel, the ending disturbs me. However, the rest of the story is great and very well written.

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Posted 11 February 2006 - 08:30 PM

The best, I don't think so. Though it is a very good novel, the ending disturbs me. However, the rest of the story is great and very well written.


What do you find wrong with the ending? I'm just curious.

The tragic, downbeat ending is perhaps one of the best scenes in the novels in my opinion.

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 07:40 PM

YOLT is indeed a great Bond novel, but the best? I would personally rate
Live and Let Die (for great

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 04:33 AM

You Only Live Twice is a great novel, but I would have to rate Casino Royale ahead of it. I'd put it at second or third, though, along with Moonraker.

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 02:36 AM

I just finished YOLT and I loved the ending and how Fleming wrote it. It's kind of odd. Before you get to the last paragraph he almost sets an uplifting, hopeful tone. But then as soon as I read the last paragraph it became dark, disturbing, and almost scary. I would definitly put YOLT in my top 3 along with Moonraker and Casino Royale.

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 04:16 AM

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 04:19 AM

One oddity about You Only Live Twice does bug me.

When the hell did Blofeld develop such a weird hobby of watching people kill themself? It's a bit out of sorts for a man whom seem so interested in money over everything else.

It's like Blofeld died and the Devil started occupying his corpse at some point.

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 04:38 AM

Although it's hard to pick a favorite or the "best" Fleming book (much like picking the best type of chocolate) I lean more towards OHMSS and FRWL.
Rosa Klebb is the best villianess Fleming wrote.

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 06:28 PM

When the hell did Blofeld develop such a weird hobby of watching people kill themself? It's a bit out of sorts for a man whom seem so interested in money over everything else.It's like Blofeld died and the Devil started occupying his corpse at some point.


The book implies that Blofeld has basically gone mad, and when Bond says he's looney, Blofeld agrees and says he's in good company. To me, Blofeld has always seemed more interested in grand schemes that employ his genius, rather than being interested in money itself. That said, Blofeld is a pretty amorphous character, and he exists in three rather different versions: the cold mastermind in TB, the snobbish aristocrat in OHMSS, and the Germanic death-obsessed madman of YOLT. In a way, he's the least defined of Fleming's villains, since he seems to change into different people with each book, not only physically but mentally. Also, Blofeld's hobby seems in keeping with the mood of the novel as a whole. To me, it's the most interesting of any villain's grand sceheme in the Bond books and movies--it's gone past money or politics, and gone straight to the basic verities of life, death, and the will. In that sense, Blofeld represents the end point of all accidie-ridden Bond villains--he's not merely against England or Capitalism, he's against life.

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Posted 13 December 2006 - 07:15 AM

Now this is the You Only Live Twice that should have been made into a movie.

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