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[tilly1]

I found a copy of Dr. No published by Coronet. The illustration on the front is a womans hand holding a knife. The isbn numer is 0-340-41899-0. I think it may be the one that was published with the wrong cover by mistake. 9th edition. as inside it has the numbers 9, 10.It says on the back illustrated by Bill Gregory Can anybody tell me if this is collectable? and how many were printed?

Edited by tilly1, 17 September 2005 - 09:21 PM.

[zencat]

Yes, tilly1, this is the "collectible" withdrawn edition. It will fetch more than the regular Coronet editions, but not much more. Hard to say, really. With these types of things, it's really only about how much someone is willing to pay. These are not necessarily had to find either. In fact, because they have the reputation of being "rare", Bond bookdealers covet them, and the result is they are actually easier to find/buy than the revised spider cover (go figure).

While the knife/girl cover has been called the "withdrawn cover", I sometimes question this. The reason being, from what I can remember (and the majority of my books are all now in storage s I can't check right now), my copy of the "correct" spider cover also says it contains and Introduction by Another Burgess. Yet that edition doesn't contain the introduction. Seems to me more logical that this was the cover that was withdrawn because of this error and it's become confused somehow.

I love to hear from some of our experts on this.

Welcome to CBn.

[tilly1]

Bond is Bond he needs no intoduction! Now you were telling me?

[Qwerty]

Yes, tilly1, this is the "collectible" withdrawn edition. It will fetch more than the regular Coronet editions, but not much more. Hard to say, really. With these types of things, it's really only about how much someone is willing to pay. These are not necessarily had to find either. In fact, because they have the reputation of being "rare", Bond bookdealers covet them, and the result is they are actually easier to find/buy than the revised spider cover (go figure).

While the knife/girl cover has been called the "withdrawn cover", I sometimes question this. The reason being, from what I can remember (and the majority of my books are all now in storage s I can't check right now), my copy of the "correct" spider cover also says it contains and Introduction by Another Burgess. Yet that edition doesn't contain the introduction. Seems to me more logical that this was the cover that was withdrawn because of this error and it's become confused somehow.

I love to hear from some of our experts on this.

Welcome to CBn.

I'm actually pretty certain that none of this Coronet style series have that introduction from the earlier (Very boring looking) Coronet releases.

I'd love to have this version. I only have the spider one thus far.

Want to sell it to me tilly?

[tilly1]

Manicure bills are are rising as I type. Mr Bond would not approve of me fraternising on such a base subject as money. But they do say every man has his price. I wouldn't know that of course.

Regards, Tilly

[Gri007]

I heard that the women holding a knife was a bit 'violent' so there for they withdrawn it. The spider cover is in the same style and layout. But there's only one thing that I had found different (It ain't the introduction)

It is in fact the cornet logo on the spine. It hasn't got the infamouse 'C'. It is just a circle with 'coronet' written inside. It is the same as the Benson books.

[Qwerty]

The Circle Coronet then replaced the 'C'.

[zencat]

I heard that the women holding a knife was a bit 'violent' so there for they withdrawn it.  The spider cover is in the same style and layout.  But there's only one thing that I had found different (It ain't the introduction)

It is in fact the cornet logo on the spine.  It hasn't got the infamouse 'C'.  It is just a circle with 'coronet' written inside.  It is the same as the Benson books.

Do other people's "spider cover" say "With an introduction by Anthony Burgess" along the bottom, or do I have something unique?

[Qwerty]

It doesn't look like the one here? http://www.bondian.c.../94137580i.html

Bondian.com has this note next to both Coronet Dr. No editions: Introduction by Anthony Burgess. Is it a 5th or 6th edition John?

[zencat]

Yep, that's the spider cover, but mine has the introduction line below the Ian Fleming. I don't have the book here in the house, but my database shows it to be an 8th edition.

So, wait, how could the knife cover -- the 9th edition -- be the original "withdrawn cover" when all the spider covers proceed it? Shouldn't the spider cover also be a 9th or a 10th edition (has anyone seen a spider 9th or 10th)?

I'm telling you, I think there is some confusion. I believe the 8th spider cover contained the introduction line error and was replaced by the 9th knife cover.

[Gri007]

My Dr No spider cover never said anything about an intro by Anthony Burgess. Burgees did do the intro's on the late 80's coronet printings though. Perhaps the spider cover was that exact copy but they changed the cover.

[Qwerty]

I'm telling you, I think there is some confusion. I believe the 8th spider cover contained the introduction line error and was replaced by the 9th knife cover.

My one Spider cover has the numberline 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12.

[Qwerty]

So the Knife cover - 'C' on spine
Spider cover - 'Coronet' circle on spine, like newer Coronet Benson's

That means (I'm assuming) that the knife cover came first because it has the older 'C' logo as opposed to the new circle one. Like zen says, it doesn't make sense that it has the older logo, but it's actual print number (9th) comes after some of the Spider ones (8th).

?

But I never see the knife cover on sites like eBay, but the spider cover seems to very often be there.

[Hawkeye]

RE: the Anthony Burgess introduction. I have all the later coronet paperbacks but only my copy of Casino Royale, which i think i bought in about 1994/1995 in an airport before a holiday to Greece, has the Anthony Burgess introduction. But, i didn't purchase the rest of the coronet paperbacks till year 2000, by which time the print run had moved on and the intros had been dispensed with although retaining the same cover designs.
RE: Dr No - That year in the airport i'm pretty sure it was the Spider Design as i only became aware of the Knife cover during an Amazon search 2-3 years ago.


NB: My coronet CR cover is shown here:
http://www.bondian.com/books/83609241i.

Hawk

[Qwerty]

Afraid the link is coming dead (at least for me) Hawk.

So did this knife cover come before, after, or inbetween the spider cover prints? I cannot figure this.

[Mark_Hazard]

[quote name='zencat' date='18 September 2005 - 16:08'][quote name='Gri007' date='18 September 2005 - 02:21']I heard that the women holding a knife was a bit 'violent' so there for they withdrawn it.

[Qwerty]

Odd. I didn't know about the Spider ones with the "C". Who knows then.

[bonded56]

Dave Rhinehart (or Reinhardt)) of the Ian Fleming Foundation was selling the knife cover on eBay a couple years ago. I think his description said that the knife cover was an unused artwork for the Dr. No paperback and that when the 9th printing was done, someone pulled the wrong artwork cover to use.

[Hawkeye]

I've checked my Coronets and Bondian.com and it appears the knife cover for Dr No slipped out between print runs of the Spider Cover. What is strange is that My Spider Cover Dr No that i bought in year 2000 has the old coronet mark on the spine - an orange circle with coronet written across the middle, yet all the others i bought (from chain store Waterstones) had the newer C logo. It also has the unembossed cover which Bondian.com lists as a 5th printing.
The numbers inside my copy run from 20 to 12. i assume this would indicate a later printing. The ISBN Bondian.com gives for the unembossed cover also differs from that in my unembossed copy. They list: ISBN 0-340-70343-1
Mine is: 0-340-41899-0
As for when i found the Knife cover on Amazon - i've looked again and it appears to no longer be in their database.


There is an innacuracy on Bondian.com regarding Casino Royale: It states the cover for the later coronet paperback is:

Cover illustration by Bill Gregory features bullets and playing cards. Copyright page still gives credit to Anthony Burgess, even though his introduction does not appear in this printing.

This is incorrect, they are nails coming through playing cards.
Also, the price given is

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[Qwerty]

I've checked my Coronets and Bondian.com and it appears the knife cover for Dr No slipped out between print runs of the Spider Cover. What is strange is that My Spider Cover Dr No that i bought in year 2000 has the old coronet mark on the spine - an orange circle with coronet written across the middle, yet all the others i bought (from chain store Waterstones) had the newer C logo.

I'd always assumed the Knife cover came either before or after the Spider ones - guess that answers that then. I also have the 20 ... 12 printing.

[Qwerty]

[quote name='Hawkeye' date='19 September 2005 - 10:08']This is incorrect, they are nails coming through playing cards.
Also, the price given is

[Gri007]

So the Knife cover - 'C' on spine
Spider cover - 'Coronet' circle on spine, like newer Coronet Benson's

That means (I'm assuming) that the knife cover came first because it has the older 'C' logo as opposed to the new circle one. Like zen says, it doesn't make sense that it has the older logo, but it's actual print number (9th) comes after some of the Spider ones (8th).

?

But I never see the knife cover on sites like eBay, but the spider cover seems to very often be there.

Yes you are right the knife cover did come first , but I some how heard that the knife cover was then changed (there for making it a rarerity), becuse the cover was to violent.

[tilly1]

Sorry genlemen I didn't realise I would have so much respose to my question or I would have come back sooner. Who said chivalry was dead? My copy with the knife has an orange circle containibg the word "coronet" contained within it.It has the price of

[doublenoughtspy]

I would say the book is uncommon.

But as you can see from the link that Qwerty provided - there are over 30 different covers of Doctor No on that site alone. The book has been printed hundreds of times.

So, the book you have is desired by a small segment of the Bond book collecting world (which itself is a small segment of Bond fandom) that collect every cover of every book.

A quick search of a book collector website revealed 2 Coronet Dr No copies - but the dealers did not specify the printings.

If you are in the market to sell, I would think ebay would be your best bet.

[Qwerty]

A comparison of two "Spider" Coronets...

LEFT one: "C" on spine, "5" on numberline

RIGHT one: "Coronet" on spine, "20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12" on numberline

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[Hawkeye]

[quote name='Qwerty' date='19 September 2005 - 14:31']So it looks like Bondian.com is under the impression that all

[Qwerty]

Gotcha. Makes sense.

[Gri007]

Might have some useful info.

Zero Minus Ten, which i belived was published in 97' has the old 'C' logo. As for my HTTK which was published in 1999 has the 'new' coronet in circle logo.

So the new logo was introduced either 98 or 99. Weather The facts of death had it I don't know, seeing that I don't have that book.

[Hawkeye]

My Facts Of Death has the C logo.

[Qwerty]

Wonder what the final printing was for this Doctor No.