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[Blabbermouth]

I'm just re-reading CR and in the back of my mind is how much and what they are going to use in the movie. Now reading the carpet beater torture scene I really do not understand it. Where is Bond actually being hit?

[dinovelvet]

I'm just re-reading CR and in the back of my mind is how much and what they are going to use in the movie. Now reading the carpet beater torture scene I really do not understand it. Where is Bond actually being hit?

The worst possible place that he, and indeed any man, could be hit.

[Kingdom Come]

His cedit card wallet.

[Tuxedo wearing Bond]

He is being hit in the testicles. Something I think will be rather hard to incorporate into the movie...

[hrabb04]

The real reason no one wants to play Bond in this movie!

Can you imagine the audition process? Drop your drawers, c'mere, and sit down in the wicker chair!

[Tuxedo wearing Bond]

The real reason no one wants to play Bond in this movie!

Can you imagine the audition process?  Drop your drawers, c'mere, and sit down in the wicker chair!

Lol!

They should probably keep the scene but alter it so Bond is being beaten in...a different area. And for obvious reasons remain with a reasonable amount of clothes on.

[Pussfeller]

Why change it? That would just diminish the impact of the scene. A little creative editing could keep the film PG-13, while keeping it faithful to the book.

[dinovelvet]

He is being hit in the testicles. Something I think will be rather hard to incorporate into the movie...

I don't see why, necessarily. You can easily imply that he's naked without actually showing it. Maybe show a brief shot if necessary, ooh how daring! And as long as they show the chair with the hole in it before Bond is seated in it, it'll be pretty obvious what's going on. If they feel they're skirting the 'R' rating border too much, then they can just show Vesper's reaction to what's going on as we hear Bond scream off-camera.

[bryonalston]

How do you think they'll show Bond's reaction to the beating? Will he be all macho and stoic like the torture chair sequence in TWINE or will he scream his lungs out. Do you think they'll show him recovering in the hospital for long (and if so, how long will it take him to sleep with Vesper/ go after the bad guys?

[Arrant]

The Flemings were into S&M in a big way and fluctuated with the dominant/slave routine.
This torture was an expression of Ian's idea of the ultimate punishment.
That it appeared in a novelette ( Casino Royale is too short to be considered a novel) at the time it did, is a credit to Flemings abilities as an author. A lot is alluded to as blabbermouth testifies, and many readers miss the implications.
Putting it into a Bond film is never ever going to happen.
The virile heroes emasculation, only restored after long hospital treatment and the chance to pseudo-rape a reluctant heroine, is not a subject the current producers/ scriptwriters could even begin to tackle.

(" And now he knew that she was profoundly, excitingly sensual, but that the conquest of her body, because of the central privacy in her, would each time have the sweet tang of rape. - Casino Royale Chapter 23)

Could you even imagine EON trying to tackle a dark sub-text like that.
The producers have now inherited Flemings most bizarre and sexually perverse Bond story.
I suggest they will use only the title and a ghost of the plot.

[Loeffelholz]

I think I should be in the film, since surviving it is part of what makes Bond the man/character he is. Of course they don't have to actually SHOW it, but it can be suggested by any number of camera angles and edits.

The DURATION of the scene will be what keeps it a PG-13 as opposed to an R. It should be brief, but it should be included.

Will it? Once again, we return to Eon's boldness---or rather, the lack of it.

[Bondian]

This is indeed odd. I've had a pain in my left testicle for the past 18 days ( up to last Monday ) and I have to say it was definitely not a laughing matter.

Now the pain had gone without any drugs, could this mean the the "torture scene" in Casino Royale has been omitted?.

[Arrant]

YOU CAN THINK IT SHOULD BE IN,
OR BE A "BALL-ACHER!"
AS MUCH AS YOU WANT. IT WONT BE IN.

[neversaynever]

well, since you said it in ALL CAPS i guess it must be true.

[Bondian]

Was it really necessary to shout when I was half joking?.

Anyway. The "magic carpet" scene from The Living Daylights was ommitted so should be this.

Cheers,


Ian

[quote name='Arrant' date='19 August 2005 - 02:28']YOU CAN

[Pussycat]

This is indeed odd. I've had a pain in my left testicle for the past 18 days ( up to last Monday ) and I have to say it was definitely not a laughing matter.

Now the pain had gone without any drugs, could this mean the the "torture scene" in Casino Royale has been omitted?.

Glad to hear you're feeling better, Bondian.

[Loeffelholz]

[quote name='Arrant' date='19 August 2005 - 01:28']YOU CAN

Edited by Loeffelholz, 19 August 2005 - 04:54 AM.

[Bondian]

[quote name='Pussycat' date='19 August 2005 - 03:01']Glad to hear you're feeling better, Bondian.

[/quote]
Thank you very much.

I have to say that I was scared for quite a while, but mother nature has taken her course.

If only all pains could end like this.

[quote name='Loeffelholz' date='19 August 2005 - 05:51'][quote name='Arrant' date='19 August 2005 - 01:28']YOU CAN

[Loeffelholz]

You're right, Bondian. P&W have now had plenty of time by now to sanitize, homogenize and re-formula-ize CR's script. Back to safe, politically correct, blandly neutral 007 outings, no doubt.

[Bondian]

Problem is though what ever they've written is now probably out-of-date.

EON are probably waiting for some juicy headline stories before P&W start re-writing.

You're right, Bondian.  P&W have now had plenty of time by now to sanitize, homogenize and re-formula-ize CR's script.  Back to safe, politically correct, blandly neutral 007 outings, no doubt. 

[Loeffelholz]

Problem is though what ever they've written is now probably out-of-date. 

Maybe. But, as with everything else, we can't know for sure. At least, SOME of us can't.

[TortillaFactory]

I thought I saw one of the bigwigs quoted somewhere as saying the scene would remain in the film. Am I going mad?

I was tempted to answer the original question of this thread with "exactly where you think," but I resisted the urge. Go me.

[Hitch]

Fleming's nastiest line: "Say good-bye to it, Bond."

[Blabbermouth]

I thought I saw one of the bigwigs quoted somewhere as saying the scene would remain in the film.  Am I going mad?

I was tempted to answer the original question of this thread with "exactly where you think," but I resisted the urge.  Go me.

Considering Bond fears he might be impotent, I had figured as much. However the way that Le Chiffre has the carpet beater lying across his knees and then suddenly making a swift motion with his hand upwards, had me confused as how this would be more painful than simply giving Bond a wack with it across the desired place. Now it might be that the edition of the book that I read is a Danish translation from 1964, and I have so far not read it in English.

[Captain Indigo]

they have to include it in the film it'll become the most notorious scene in bond film history

[Loomis]

Something tells me they'll tart this scene up. Does anyone want to see James Bond (or anyone) merely being thwacked in the nads with a carpet beater while tied to a chair? Didn't think so. So I reckon it'll become part of a macabre game, possibly involving cards (appropriately and cleverly enough, ho ho), with 007 somehow put into a position where he's inflicting the hits on himself, either by answering questions incorrectly or picking the wrong cards (let's say pain will be inflicted on Vesper or someone else if he refuses to play). Could be a bit like Largo's game in NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN.

[vosne]

I remember reading that Fleming wrote CR to take his mind off of his impending marriage. Perhaps this particular type of torture was how he envisioned life with a wife, at a symbolic level...at times it'd damn near true.

There's probably a deep psycho/social/sexual essay here some where.

[Shrublands]

I remember reading that Fleming wrote CR to take his mind off of his impending marriage. Perhaps this particular type of torture was how he envisioned life with a wife, at a symbolic level...at times it'd damn near true.

There's probably a deep psycho/social/sexual essay here some where.

Maybe not just

[trumanlodge89]

Something tells me they'll tart this scene up. Does anyone want to see James Bond (or anyone) merely being thwacked in the nads with a carpet beater while tied to a chair? Didn't think so. So I reckon it'll become part of a macabre game, possibly involving cards (appropriately and cleverly enough, ho ho), with 007 somehow put into a position where he's inflicting the hits on himself, either by answering questions incorrectly or picking the wrong cards (let's say pain will be inflicted on Vesper or someone else if he refuses to play). Could be a bit like Largo's game in NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN.

i like it.

[cvheady007]

Unless a lot of the torture takes place off-camera or under the guise of shadows with only 007's screams filling the air. That's the only other way they can pull it off if they plan to pull it directly from the book. Nice idea, though.