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[kovit123]

If Gruffudd wanted to be 007 according to imdb.com, then he can go to hell! He's too short for being James Bond standing at 5'11" for Gruffudd and the producers would never go for an extremely unknown ever. His name would not be Ioan Gruffudd it's Ioan Grufraud. I don't want to believe any rumors at all it was all a fake. They will go for an average star like Hugh Jackman. Jackman is tall enough for James Bond 007 standing at 6'3" and like Brosnan, who also an average star as well. GO FOR JACKMAN AS 007, AND I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT HIM!

[Martin Mystery]

Sorry, but I think you'd better get used to the idea that Clive Owen is the next Bond.

[Loomis]

Owen is the outstanding candidate.

[Daltonfan]

I wouldn't see height as Bond's defining characteristic, and 5'11" is above average for a British man. Ioan Gruffudd is pretty well known in the UK, having had leading parts in quality British TV series likeHornblower and The Forsyte Saga. I'm not a strong supported, but he'd do.

[Bondian]

I couldn't write any of these contenders off until we've seen them in action.

I really thought that Brosnan was going to be as good as Connery and Moore, but it was never going to ever be.

Ioan Gruffudd could prove to be a very interesting and rewarding choice.

Cheers,


Ioan's Mother!.

[Prav_007]

I couldn't write any of these contenders off until we've seen them in action.

I really thought that Brosnan was going to be as good as Connery and Moore, but it was never going to ever be.

Ioan Gruffudd could prove to be a very interesting and rewarding choice.

Cheers,


Ioan's Mother!. 

 

I agree with you Bondian, Ioan to me brings a different but his own look, we'll just have to wait to see him in action.

[kovit123]

You guys don't get it do you, does all five actors who played James Bond ever stood under 6 feet tall? The answer is NO! Connery, Lazenby, Dalton, and Brosnan are all standing at 6'2" except Moore, who stood at 6'1". They always bring an actor who is a little bit above 6 feet. For Ioan Gruffraud standing at 5'11" is not enough for him to be 007. For Clive Owen, he already said NO, NO, NO, AND NO! I HAVE NO CHOICE TO TELL YOU THAT OWEN's FACE IS TOO UGLY TO BE JAMES BOND NOT ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH

OWEN AND GRUFFRAUD:
JACKMAN:

Jackman does most of the action moves in two X-Men movies and Val Helsing, he can do it all, even charming the ladies.

[The Next Bond]

Well after that controlled and reasoned post, I'm convinced.

[Martin Mystery]

For Clive Owen, he already said NO, NO, NO, AND NO! I HAVE NO CHOICE TO TELL YOU THAT OWEN's FACE IS TOO UGLY TO BE JAMES BOND NOT ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH

Owen never said no.
Jackman IS Wolverine in X-Men and the new Wolverine movie, so you can forget about him.
Kovit, wise up... deep down you know Clive Owen is gonna bag it.

[Agent 76]

I HAVE NO CHOICE TO TELL YOU THAT OWEN's FACE IS TOO UGLY TO BE JAMES BOND NOT ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH

hey , they can make wonders with their special make-up!

[Loomis]

Jackman IS Wolverine in X-Men and the new Wolverine movie, so you can forget about him.

 

I hope you're right. Jackman has his share of talent and good looks, but he simply isn't suitable Bond material, IMO. I've seen him in SWORDFISH and the X-MENs, and I don't deny that he can handle action scenes and flash a winning smile, but he just doesn't have that difficult-to-define je ne sais quoi Bondian quality about him. He doesn't look the part for 007, and I'm very surprised that so many hardcore Bond fans here think he'd be great. Someone write him a LETHAL WEAPON-type script and let him have his own action franchise that way, but for heaven's sake keep him away from Bond.

Besides, Bond shouldn't be a vehicle for an established star like Jackman. Given that casting some youngster like Gruffudd or Bloom would be a huge risk (I mean, Bond has been a middle-aged man for decades, has he not?), while an unknown would also be risky and the likes of Jackman and McGregor are far too famous for Bond (as well as unsuitable for the role), I think it might just come down to a choice between Owen and.... well, Owen.

[Bond is back]

Hi, new here. Was looking at the Bond archives on the net and discovered that Albert Broccoli offered Bond to Mel Gibson. He is about 5'9". He turned down the role saying he could never be better than Connery. Had he said yes we would've had the shortest Bond. So I don't think Ioan Gruffudd's slightly smaller height will make any difference to his chances. Bond is open to people shorter than six foot. Not sure if that means Snow White's dwarves are in with a shot at the role but you never know....

Edited by Bond is back, 25 November 2004 - 11:38 PM.

[Bondian]

Hi, new here. Was looking at the Bond archives on the net and discovered that Albert Broccoli offered Bond to Mel Gibson. He is about 5'9". He turned down the role saying he could never be better than Connery. Had he said yes we would've had the shortest Bond. So I don't think Ioan Gruffudd's slightly smaller height will make any difference to his chances. Bond is open to people shorter than six foot. Not sure if that means Snow White's dwarves are in with a shot at the role but you never know....

 

I agree, and an actors height on screen is totally unmeasurable.

We can only take the media's and the actors view that they are the height they say they are. And after meeting Brosnan in London in 1994, I would say that they're over exaggerated. Brosnans head was much shorter than my 6'4'' frame, and I'd say that all of these actors are more like 5'11'.

Moore described himself as 6'3' in one episode of 'The Persuaders', and as we know, he's nowhere near that height.

Cheers,


Ian

[Bond is back]

Being 6'4, I guess you have can easily tell if the actors are the height they claim. I agree with you about height being hard to measure on film. No offence meant to the poster, but to dismiss an actor because he is, say, one inch too short is kind of ridiculous. Can you imagine, Eon find the ideal man to play Bond - he looks perfect for the role, can act the part, right age, but he is one inch too short! "Sorry, mate, you are one inch too short for Bond. We can't hire you."

Somehow I think he'd still get the part.

Interesting to note, movie fans don't mind smaller actors in action roles. Cruise and Gibson are shorter men and they've starred in big action films, and Sylvester Stallone was arguably the biggest action star of the 1980s and he's about 5'8". So for conventional action roles height is not an issue. But in an ideal world Bond should be about six foot. But I think fans do themselves a disservice getting hung up on height. Let's find some guy who really looks right and acts the part then worry about his height. He can always wear platform shoes.

Edited by Bond is back, 26 November 2004 - 12:09 AM.

[Arrant]

Can I just say that the lack of information about Bond 21 has stimulated these " the best actor for Bond is...." debates, to the point of clogging the site up with amatuer PR releases, none of which will really do any good.

Your particular choice for Bond is NOT going to be considered for the role no matter how hard you lobby for him.

My choice is Colin Farrell, a particularly unpopular one on this site, and short. But as Daltonfan points out " ..... an actors height on screen is totally unmeasurable ".

But NONE of my praise, or arguments for Farrell are going to matter a jot when Eon comes too a casting decision.

Far more effective ( and much more interesting IMHO ) are the debates on the direction Bond 21, should take. I would like to think they may have "SOME" influence on the next Bond Movie, as well as the casting.

...but I

[Bond is back]

If Alexander is as bad as the reviews suggest, I think Farrell will be begging to play Bond!

[Bond is back]

On a serious point, I think the endless debate over who should play Bond pretty much proves the ideal man for the role is not someone on a list of candidates. Ideally, the next Bond should be a complete unknown chosen because he looks and can the part.

I know many fans think Lazenby was the black sheep of the Bond family but I feel someone in the Lazenby mould, by that I mean a total unknown picked because they are the closest to the Bond image, could be the only way to find us the next Bond. Assuming the chap can act and Sony is prepared to finance a Bond film with a complete unknown, of course. Unlikely I know, but perhaps it's more appealing and exciting than Hugh 'franchise' Jackman as Bond.

[Bondian]

Being 6'4, I guess you have can easily tell if the actors are the height they claim.

Thank you my friend..and I have to say that although Pierce is very hanson ( in the flesh ) he IS tall, but it's because he's compact and slim. But as in height, there's no way he's 6'1''.

I agree with you about height being hard to measure on film. No offence meant to the poster, but to dismiss an actor because he is, say, one inch too short is kind of ridiculous. Can you imagine, Eon find the ideal man to play Bond - he looks perfect for the role, can act the part, right age, but he is one inch too short! "Sorry, mate, you are one inch too short for Bond. We can't hire you."

That's bloody true my friend. I think most of these actors go one who tall they look on stage. I know people have said that I look like a totem pole on stage because of my sheer height, and most good actors ( those who would make it in the business unless there's a call for a Frankenstein etc ) are well below 6'.

Somehow I think he'd still get the part.

I agree, EON seem to listen ( if we can call it that ) to the fans when a new Bond is sought, but they do not listen when it comes to the technicalities and the plot to the films.

Interesting to note, movie fans don't mind smaller actors in action roles. Cruise and Gibson are shorter men and they've starred in big action films, and Sylvester Stallone was arguably the biggest action star of the 1980s and he's about 5'8". So for conventional action roles height is not an issue. But in an ideal world Bond should be about six foot. But I think fans do themselves a disservice getting hung up on height. Let's find some guy who really looks right and acts the part then worry about his height. He can always wear platform shoes.

 

I agree 100%. You can have a well dressed Englishman/American/Canadian whoever who is slim and looks tall on stage and screen. And although I'm 6'4'', I bet if you and I were in a crowd, you'd be spotten before me. Height is not an issue, it's screen presence and charisma.

Cheers,


Ian

[00-FAN008]

In case anyone didn't know, MI6 actually hires field operatives under 6 feet so they blend in with the crowd. They actually considered James Bond himself to be "too tall"!

Also, height really doesn't matter. We can make short actors look taller in movies, unless they are a midget like Verne Troyer, for example.

About Ioan Gruffudd, I really really really don't give a damn, and I wish that Kovit would stop being so highly opinionated on the subject. And Kovit, this isn't a topic about Hugh Jackman, as much as you love him so.

Edited by 00-FAN008, 26 November 2004 - 03:34 AM.

[Bondian]

In case anyone didn't know, MI6 actually hires field operatives under 6 feet so they blend in with the crowd. They actually considered James Bond himself to be "too tall"!

Also, height really doesn't matter. We can make short actors look taller in movies, unless they are a midget like Verne Troyer, for example.

About Ioan Gruffudd, I really really really don't give a damn, and I wish that Kovit would stop being so highly opinionated on the subject. And Kovit, this isn't a topic about Hugh Jackman, as much as you love him so.

 

You're right, wasn't it only last year, or early this year that MI5 were hiring?. I don't remember that you had to be over 6'!!!.

I've seen Security Guards and Policemen here in the UK around 5'2'', and the old fashioned idea that a copper had to be over 6' has long since passed.

There's no advantage being very tall in this day and age.

Cheers,


Ian

[Tarl_Cabot]

Don't worry about Ioan Grufolds...he won't be James Bond. Hugh Jackman will get the job becuase he's the most commercial choice and becuase he wants it. I'd rather it be Owen but I'll accept Jackman(I wish we could have another Owen/Jackman tandem like Dalton/Brosnan so both guys get to be james Bond! ).

[Seannery]

Don't worry about Ioan Grufolds...he won't be James Bond. Hugh Jackman will get the job becuase he's the most commercial choice and becuase he wants it. I'd rather it be Owen but I'll accept Jackman(I wish we could have another Owen/Jackman tandem like Dalton/Brosnan so both guys get to be james Bond! ).

 

I didn't know you became psychic recently Tarl Cabot It is hardly sure who will become Bond at this point and there are easily more acceptable choices than just Owen/Jackman.

And I must say this thread is more than a bit hysterical and over the top. But hey everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Edited by Seannery, 26 November 2004 - 03:14 PM.

[Seannery]

Jackman IS Wolverine in X-Men and the new Wolverine movie, so you can forget about him.

 

I hope you're right. Jackman has his share of talent and good looks, but he simply isn't suitable Bond material, IMO. I've seen him in SWORDFISH and the X-MENs, and I don't deny that he can handle action scenes and flash a winning smile, but he just doesn't have that difficult-to-define je ne sais quoi Bondian quality about him. He doesn't look the part for 007, and I'm very surprised that so many hardcore Bond fans here think he'd be great. Someone write him a LETHAL WEAPON-type script and let him have his own action franchise that way, but for heaven's sake keep him away from Bond.

Besides, Bond shouldn't be a vehicle for an established star like Jackman. Given that casting some youngster like Gruffudd or Bloom would be a huge risk (I mean, Bond has been a middle-aged man for decades, has he not?), while an unknown would also be risky and the likes of Jackman and McGregor are far too famous for Bond (as well as unsuitable for the role), I think it might just come down to a choice between Owen and.... well, Owen.

 

Hmmmmm........funny how your logic just happens to lead inevitably to your always favorite choice Loomis--Clive Owen, Clive Owen and Clive Owen I feel like you do about Jackman with regards to Owen he'll do and be okay but we can do better. An excellent actor but slightly miscast for Bond.

[Triton]

Tom Mankiewicz stated in the "Inside Live and Let Die" documentary that it was Cubby Broccoli who demanded that the actor chosen to portray James Bond was over 6 feet tall. Since Cubby has passed away, is there still a minimum height requirement for the actors considered to portray James Bond?

Further, with the death of Dana, can we really predict any of the creative decisions that will be made by Broccoli heirs?

As for the contenders Ioan Gruffudd, Hugh Jackman, Clive Owen, Colin Farrell and the rest of the 18-to-45-year-old crowd of contenders. I believe that this time around the only vote that really counts is Barbara Broccoli's. We can talk all day about charisma and box office appeal, but in the end if Barabara doesn't like him, there's no chance in purgatory that the actor will be cast as James Bond.

[Bond is back]

Tom Mankiewicz stated in the "Inside Live and Let Die" documentary that it was Cubby Broccoli who demanded that the actor chosen to portray James Bond was over 6 feet tall. Since Cubby has passed away, is there still a minimum height requirement for the actors considered to portray James Bond?

Well that may have been the case back in 1973 but not in 1993/94 when Broccoli offered the role to a 5'9" Mel Gibson. Broccoli was prepared to hire a shorter actor then.

[Triton]

Tom Mankiewicz stated in the "Inside Live and Let Die" documentary that it was Cubby Broccoli who demanded that the actor chosen to portray James Bond was over 6 feet tall. Since Cubby has passed away, is there still a minimum height requirement for the actors considered to portray James Bond?

Well that may have been the case back in 1973 but not in 1993/94 when Broccoli offered the role to a 5'9" Mel Gibson. Broccoli was prepared to hire a shorter actor then.

 

It's not really clear who offered the check in 1993/94 whether it was Cubby or MGM/UA? Remember that about this time Cubby had Eon Productions for sale and producer Joel Silver, of the Lethal Weapon movies and The Matrix-trilogy, was interested in buying.

[Bond is back]

All the net articles seem to state it as Cubby Broccoli wanting Gibson, not the studio. But it's possible MGM wanted Gibson as well.

[Triton]

All the net articles seem to state it as Cubby Broccoli wanting Gibson, not the studio. But it's possible MGM wanted Gibson as well.

 

I've read so many different versions of the story, including that Tom Mankiewicz approached Mel Gibson with the offer, that I don't know what is fact and what is myth. I would be willing to concede that Mel Gibson was under consideration for the James Bond role in the early 1990's.

[Dmitri Mishkin]

Tom Mankiewicz stated in the "Inside Live and Let Die" documentary that it was Cubby Broccoli who demanded that the actor chosen to portray James Bond was over 6 feet tall. Since Cubby has passed away, is there still a minimum height requirement for the actors considered to portray James Bond?

Further, with the death of Dana, can we really predict any of the creative decisions that will be made by Broccoli heirs?

As for the contenders Ioan Gruffudd, Hugh Jackman, Clive Owen, Colin Farrell and the rest of the 18-to-45-year-old crowd of contenders. I believe that this time around the only vote that really counts is Barbara Broccoli's. We can talk all day about charisma and box office appeal, but in the end if Barabara doesn't like him, there's no chance in purgatory that the actor will be cast as James Bond.

 

That's very interesting Triton. My personal belief is 6 feet will still be the minimum height sought of potential Bond actors, as it's ingrained itself as part of Bond's appearance like any other trait. And I'm not sure if there is one thing we can predict of the Broccolis today. If anything ,it's an aversion to radical change and a general leaning for what's worked. In other words, the safe choice.

As for whose vote counts in the selection of the next Bond, I agree that Barbara Brocolli will be a huge determining factor, but wouldn't Michael G. Wilson have equal weight in the decision though? One wonders how the power is balanced in that relationship.

[Triton]

Tom Mankiewicz stated in the "Inside Live and Let Die" documentary that it was Cubby Broccoli who demanded that the actor chosen to portray James Bond was over 6 feet tall. Since Cubby has passed away, is there still a minimum height requirement for the actors considered to portray James Bond?

Further, with the death of Dana, can we really predict any of the creative decisions that will be made by Broccoli heirs?

As for the contenders Ioan Gruffudd, Hugh Jackman, Clive Owen, Colin Farrell and the rest of the 18-to-45-year-old crowd of contenders. I believe that this time around the only vote that really counts is Barbara Broccoli's. We can talk all day about charisma and box office appeal, but in the end if Barabara doesn't like him, there's no chance in purgatory that the actor will be cast as James Bond.

 

That's very interesting Triton. My personal belief is 6 feet will still be the minimum height sought of potential Bond actors, as it's ingrained itself as part of Bond's appearance like any other trait. And I'm not sure if there is one thing we can predict of the Broccolis today. If anything ,it's an aversion to radical change and a general leaning for what's worked. In other words, the safe choice.

As for whose vote counts in the selection of the next Bond, I agree that Barbara Brocolli will be a huge determining factor, but wouldn't Michael G. Wilson have equal weight in the decision though? One wonders how the power is balanced in that relationship.

 

Perhaps you're right. But I always felt that Barbara was the stronger willed of the two of them. Or perhaps Michael G. Wilson goes out of his way to appear amiable and a nice guy.