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Dumb Blonde vs. Female Bond


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#1 Gabe Vieira

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Posted 28 July 2004 - 07:17 PM

I'm talking about the Bond girls here. I my self prefer the dumb blondes, well any hair color, because a female Bond kinda steals the spotlight in Bond Movies. Everybody is like "Wow! Halle Berry is really tough!" or "Michelle Yeoh kicks butt!" Dumbs blondes are more fun to watch I think.

#2 Loomis

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Posted 28 July 2004 - 07:19 PM

I prefer dumb blondes. I wish they'd turn the clock back and give us more Goodnight-style damsels in distress. This PC "female Bond" business is a right royal pain in the :). :)

Let Bond be Bond, and let the Bond girls be the Bond girls.

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Posted 28 July 2004 - 07:20 PM

I like the ones like Tracy, a bit of both, but not leaning heavily on either side. The "non-irritating, non-screaming, Damsels in distress".

#4 Qwerty

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Posted 28 July 2004 - 07:21 PM

Female Bond's. What you're basically asking which of the pairs: Wai Lin & Jinx or Mary Goodnight and Stacey Sutton do you prefer?

Overall, female Bonds. I dislike Jinx, but I think Wai Lin is a fantastic character. Mary Goodnight is the better of the two in her pair, but neither are spectacular.

I don't really like either though.

#5 Loomis

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Posted 28 July 2004 - 07:21 PM

Bond girls should be seen (mostly in bikinis) and not heard. :) Next they'll be giving them opinions. :)

#6 Qwerty

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Posted 28 July 2004 - 07:22 PM

Whoa, a little of both is nice. There is no need to have to go to the extreme limit either way.

#7 Loomis

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Posted 28 July 2004 - 07:24 PM

I like my extremes in Bondage: extreme comedy (MOONRAKER), extreme grittiness (LICENCE TO KILL), extreme masculinity (Connery).... that's the problem with the Brosnan era, actually - it tries to be all things to all people and doesn't really have a particular identity.

#8 Qwerty

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Posted 28 July 2004 - 07:26 PM

I guess that is a very valid point, I've made it myself sometimes actually also. Too much fluff. I still love the era. It does have the extreme Bond girls though.

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Posted 28 July 2004 - 07:29 PM

I still love the (Brosnan) era. It does have the extreme Bond girls though.

And you know what? I'm about to make an utter fool of myself by declaring that I love all the "extreme Bond girls" the Brosnan era's given us: Xenia, Wai Lin, Jinx and Frost. Hmmm.... I seem to loathe the concept of "buttkicking babes" on paper but welcome the female Bonds when they're actually up there on the screen. Go figure. :) :)

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Posted 28 July 2004 - 07:30 PM

Female Bond's. What you're basically asking which of the pairs: Wai Lin & Jinx or Mary Goodnight and Stacey Sutton do you prefer?

I was using them as examples. Maybe this "very, very interesting direction"
that Bond 21 is heading to could include a new Mary Goodnight :)

#11 Qwerty

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Posted 28 July 2004 - 07:32 PM

I still love the (Brosnan) era. It does have the extreme Bond girls though.

And you know what? I'm about to make an utter fool of myself by declaring that I love all the "extreme Bond girls" the Brosnan era's given us: Xenia, Wai Lin, Jinx and Frost. Hmmm.... I seem to loathe the concept of "buttkicking babes" on paper but welcome the female Bonds when they're actually up there on the screen. Go figure. :) :)

I would say the only extreme James Bond girls, or women I should say in the Brosnan era are Wai Lin and Jinx. Xenia and Miranda Frost are both femme fatales, slightly different IMO. Looking at it from a standpoint of which Bond girls stand out for being like Bond, it's Jinx and Wai Lin.

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Posted 28 July 2004 - 07:42 PM

Let Bond be Bond, and let the Bond girls be the Bond girls.

Amen, brother.

These blithering women who thought they could do a man's work. Why the hell couldn't they stay at home and mind their pots and pans stick to their frocks and gossip and leave the men's work to the men.

Makes me seem like a huge sexist posting that, but it gets me point* across.





*Dumb blondes, in case you didn't catch it :)

#13 BONDFINESSE 007

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Posted 28 July 2004 - 08:44 PM

give me the dumb blonde anyday, i am getting tired of the female bond type

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Posted 28 July 2004 - 09:33 PM

I like both but it seems like they dont like to blance the characters out like Goodnigth even thougth i like that character or Jinx I liked her but it seems she owuld be a lesbo with the whole tougth thing going on and her haircut. I think Tifanny was the best example of a balance.

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 12:47 AM

You mean you want me to choose between a dumb blonde (Mary Goodnight) and a female Bond (Pame Bouvier)? I pick both, easy question.

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 02:07 AM

I prefer dumb blondes. I wish they'd turn the clock back and give us more Goodnight-style damsels in distress. This PC "female Bond" business is a right royal pain in the :). :)

Let Bond be Bond, and let the Bond girls be the Bond girls.

Perfection there. Can't beat that.

#17 Qwerty

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 02:08 AM

I prefer dumb blondes. I wish they'd turn the clock back and give us more Goodnight-style damsels in distress. This PC "female Bond" business is a right royal pain in the :). :)

Let Bond be Bond, and let the Bond girls be the Bond girls.

Perfection there. Can't beat that.

You can't when you have Halle Berry's Jinx, no. Far too irritating and overdone in PC, "I can do anything", and being equal.

You can win both ways when you have a Bond girl like Wai Lin.

#18 License To Kill

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 02:13 AM

Like I've said in other posts, Die Another Day seemed like a Halle Berry movie, not a Bond movie.

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 02:19 AM

Like I've said in other posts, Die Another Day seemed like a Halle Berry movie, not a Bond movie.

Nothing to do with that wonderful US 1-Sheet. :)

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 03:45 AM

US 1-Sheet :)

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 03:47 AM

US 1-Sheet :)

Quite, that sick reject of a design that became the US main poster.

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 03:54 AM

US 1-Sheet :)

Quite, that sick reject of a design that became the US main poster.

I can't believe the poster! That was so bad. Why can't Stephane Tron make them!

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 03:57 AM

I like Melina Havelock and Octopussy and Dr. Goodhead. They are smart women but not anywhere near the same level as Bond. Even Anya doesn't steal his thunder the way Wai Lin and Jinx do.

Stacey is probably my least favorite. Too much screaming.

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 04:03 AM

I like the ones like Tracy, a bit of both, but not leaning heavily on either side. The "non-irritating, non-screaming, Damsels in distress".

This is the best type. If I had to pick one extreme or the other, I'd go for dumb blondes because they don't have action sequences that steal screen time from Bond.

But ideally the girl isn't a screaming moron or a Bond-like commando. A girl who is witty and intelligent, but not an "equal to Bond" makes for th best supporting character. Afterall we know that NOBODY is equal to 007!

#25 Qwerty

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 04:08 AM

US 1-Sheet :)

Quite, that sick reject of a design that became the US main poster.

I can't believe the poster! That was so bad. Why can't Stephane Tron make them!

Well the publicity department knows how to make them, they were just a little bit off for this one though.

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 10:49 AM

I prefer a combination of both, but if I had to pick one or the other I would go for the dumb blonde. I got bored and irritated extremely quickly by the sight of Halle Berry running around trying to play secret agent. Give me Mary Goodnight or Honey Ryder any day of the week.

Like someone else said, though. Tracey from OHMSS was the perfect combanation, even if Domino Derval does still remain my all time fave Bond girl.

Btw- When I say "I would go for the dumb blonde", that doesn't mean I in any way want to see another dumb blonde who just happens to be an expert in nuclear physics.

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Posted 30 July 2004 - 12:08 AM

RevolveR and Scottlee I agree with you completely. Someone at EON seems to have forgotten that Nobody Does It Better.

The gorgeous dumb blonde playing a scientist is a bit odd. Dr. Goodhead was at least old enough to be a Dr. and not rediculously beautiful like Denise. That was really bad casting.

If they ever cast Jessica Simpson, Hillary Duff, Lindsey Lohan or any of their ilk I am through with Bond. I will then only collect stuff from the classics as 007 will be dead to me.

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Posted 30 July 2004 - 02:12 AM

The gorgeous dumb blonde playing a scientist is a bit odd. Dr. Goodhead was at least old enough to be a Dr. and not rediculously beautiful like Denise. That was really bad casting.

Add in another vote for that idea. Those women are far better, but as this choice for these two types...a combination of sorts is the way to go.

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Posted 30 July 2004 - 01:55 PM

I prefer women who at least have a brain in their head. They don't necessarily have to be Wai Lin or Xenia Onatopp, but they should be a little more than decoration for 007.

Like it or not, there'll be fewer damsels in distress in future Bond films as times are changing. Even Izabella Scorupco and Christmas Jones were professional women who contributed to the mission.

Halle Berry on the other hand...I didn't like how they were promoting her as Bond's equal, especially since Xenia Onatopp, Wai Lin & Electra King were all formidable women.

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Posted 30 July 2004 - 01:58 PM

Like it or not, there'll be fewer damsels in distress in future Bond films as times are changing. Even Izabella Scorupco and Christmas Jones were professional women who contributed to the mission.

Halle Berry on the other hand...I didn't like how they were promoting her as Bond's equal, especially since Xenia Onatopp, Wai Lin & Electra King were all formidable women.

Natayla was most definitely a strong Bond girl who fell right between the damsel/dumb blond and female Bond opposites. Worked rather well too.

Agreed about the point about Jinx, and Wai Lin was even more of an equal than she was! I guess it's just how the represented it, and marketed her character.