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[Roger Moore's Bad Facelift]

Just sitting on the sofa, enjoying the rest of my day with a late afternoon showing of Octopussy. So I dusted it off, placed the tape in the VCR and all is going well until we get to the scene wherein general Orloff visits Kamal's Monsoon Palace and proceeds to break the real faberge egg. Saying something to the effect of "This forgery has caused enough trouble."
I don't get it.
Can someone help me out?
Why on earth would the General destroy the very egg of which he so despertaley needed Kamal to recover?

Is this a mistake?
I know it seems minor, but for those of us who like our Bond movies not only with GREAT action but with a cohesive plot, this can be a big deal. IMO it halts the entire narrative flow of the movie. Suddenly, instead of going along with the movie, everything comes to a screeching halt and I am left scratching my head. Speaking of "halts" I happen to have the film on "pause" as we speak. Please, someone, anyone, release me from my inner torment, explain this scene to me and let me get on with this 80's cinema gem.

Edited by Roger_Moore's_Bad_Facelift, 27 January 2004 - 09:49 PM.

[Roebuck]

Could be the general just lost track of which egg was which. The reactions of the other characters in the room indicates to me that they knew Orloff had just smashed a genuine Faberge, but no one was feeling brave enough to tell him.

[DLibrasnow]

I don't see it as a problem....Kamal obviously knows its the real egg that was destroyed by the pained expression on his face!

[Roger Moore's Bad Facelift]

That's what I kinda figured judging by Kamal's pained expression. Still, it seems kind of awkward. I mean, just why wouldn't Kamal speak up and say "No! You fool! That's the real egg! Do not smash it!" Granted, Orloff is psychotic and may take offense to Kamal correcting him, still it was Kamal's palace, after all, and it was filled with his armed guards. Orloff was his guest. He didn't own the place. I dont see why Kamal would have any fear in saying something to Orloff. Even if he did speak up, I dont see how Orloff would have been offended or insulted in the slightest. In fact, he would've been thankful for saving the genuine artifact from danger.

[Genrewriter]

I like to think that Kamal was too dismayed by the destruction to say anything.

[Simon]

I've always taken it to be THE blooper of the Moore series.

It would take great supposition to support, by way of Khan's expression, he knew it was the wrong egg, he grimaced, he didn't have time to save it, he didn't care about

[DLibrasnow]

I don't think Kamal had time to stop Orlov!

[BONDFINESSE 007]

I don't think Kamal had time to stop Orlov!

i do believe your right snowie

[Jim]

...explain this scene to me and let me get on with this 80's cinema gem.

You're still talking about Octopussy, right? Hard to recognise it from that description.

OK, so...

009 steals fake egg from Berlin.
Real egg comes up for auction, stolen from the Kremlin.
Bond switches eggs, Kamal buys the fake for whatever it was.
Bond takes real egg to India, lifted off him by Magda.
That's the egg Orlov smashes. Hence Kamal's pain.

My question:-

What happened to the fake egg Kamal bought at the auction?

[brendan007]

[quote name='Jim' date='28 January 2004 - 18:41'] [quote name='Roger_Moore's_Bad_Facelift' date='27 January 2004 - 21:46']
What happened to the fake egg Kamal bought at the auction? [/quote]
He most likely threw it away.
After Kamal bought the fake egg back to India, he realised it was fake, told Orlov it was fake blah blah blah. Orlov comes to visit.
In that time Kamal recovers the real egg, but doesnt have time to tell Orlov who then smashes the real one thinking it was fake.
Its really quite simple, it annoys me that so many people think the filmakers made a mistake.

[Tanger]

Exactly Brendan!
I've never noticed it as a mistake. It all seems perfectly logical, why would anyone think it was a mistake? I could see how they could get confused, but still. Just goes to show that you probably weren't paying attention.

[Roger Moore's Bad Facelift]

Hate to tell you this guys...but my official "authorized" Bond book at home actually lists this scene under the "bloopers" section. Claiming that Orloff breaks the real egg when in truth it is the fake one. It lists the scene along other notable Bond bloopers such as Telly Salvalas hanging by a tree at the end of OHMSS and how in certain scenes he is clearly holding himself up to the tree. It also lists how the song used to signal Triple X in the beggining of TSWLM is actually a song that was banned in Russia at the time (among plenty of other bloopers). Listen, if there is a mistake to be found in a bond movie, its def. in this book. I guess this settles it. It must be a mistake. Keep in mind this is an official bond book, Cubby even kindly asked the author if he'd be interested to write a book on Bond. I am at college now, so the book is not with me, but my bro is at home and I called him and had him look it up for me. I will go home soon and will post/scan what they say about this Octopussy scene. The book is The Incredible World of 007 and it is written by Lee Pheiffer and someone else.

Edited by Roger_Moore's_Bad_Facelift, 29 January 2004 - 03:04 AM.

[Bondian]

Hate to tell you this guys...but my official "authorized" Bond book at home actually lists this scene under the "bloopers" section. Claiming that Orloff breaks the real egg thinking it is the fake one. It lists the scene along other Bond bloopers such as Telly hanging by a tree at the end of OHMSS and also in certain scenes clearly holding himself up by the tree. It also lists how the song used to signal Triple X in the beggining of TSWLM is actually a song that was banned in Russia at the time (among plenty of other bloopers). Listen, if there is a mistake to be found in a bond movie, its def. in this book. I guess this settles it. It must be a mistake. Keep in mind this is an official bond book, Cubby even kindly asked the author if he'd be interested to write a book on Bond. I am at college now, so the book is not with me, but my bro is at home and I called him and had him look it up for me. I will go home soon and will post/scan what they say about this Octopussy scene. The book is The Incredible World of 007 and it is written by Lee Pheiffer and someone else.

Hi Face,

I'd hate to say it but I have the same bood here, and your totally right!.

Bond is full of 'balls-up's' and althought the makers may call them 'time constraints', there still bulls-up's.

Well found my Friend!


All the best,

Cheers,


Ian

[brendan007]

Your book can say what it likes, but it is clearly not a mistake.

[Tanger]

Yeah I agree with Brendan and everyone else who says it's not a mistake. It clearly isn't.
Anyway, why the hell would you want to pick holes in something you love?

Just watch the films and enjoy them!

[brendan007]

Anyway, why the hell would you want to pick holes in something you love?

Just watch the films and enjoy them!

Exactly.
All the bond films could be picked apart, but why on earth would u want to???
I choose to enjoy my bond films, not obsess over tiny little things.

[Roger Moore's Bad Facelift]

Umm, last time I checked critiquing and "picking apart" Bond films is what true fans do best and is a great part of being a fan.
Also, MOST Bond films cannot be picked apart. Some can, yes, but not all. Contrary to what you may belive. The solid ones actually have very strong scipts and are all the more better for it.

[brendan007]

Pick a bond film and i will pick it apart until none of it makes sense.

[bryonalston]

Hate to tell you this guys...but my official "authorized" Bond book at home actually lists this scene under the "bloopers" section. Claiming that Orloff breaks the real egg when in truth it is the fake one. It lists the scene along other notable Bond bloopers such as Telly Salvalas hanging by a tree at the end of OHMSS and how in certain scenes he is clearly holding himself up to the tree. It also lists how the song used to signal Triple X in the beggining of TSWLM is actually a song that was banned in Russia at the time (among plenty of other bloopers). Listen, if there is a mistake to be found in a bond movie, its def. in this book. I guess this settles it. It must be a mistake. Keep in mind this is an official bond book, Cubby even kindly asked the author if he'd be interested to write a book on Bond. I am at college now, so the book is not with me, but my bro is at home and I called him and had him look it up for me. I will go home soon and will post/scan what they say about this Octopussy scene. The book is The Incredible World of 007 and it is written by Lee Pheiffer and someone else.

I'm interested to read this book! What is the title a/o publisher?

[Roger Moore's Bad Facelift]

I'm going home tommorow..will def. look up publisher, date and will post them when I return back to college. More than likely my book is out of date and there are new versions available detailing the newer Brosnan films, too. My copy only provides a sneak peek at Goldeneye.

[Brian Flagg]

The book is called The Essential Bond: The Authorized Guide To the World of James Bond Authors are Lee Pfeiffer & Dave Worrall. Pfeiffer appears on the DAD dvd extras I believe. The publisher is HarperEntertainment. My copy ends with TWINE, I don't think it's been updated past that. Price is $22.95 (U.S.)

[Qwerty]

The book is called The Essential Bond: The Authorized Guide To the World of James Bond Authors are Lee Pfeiffer & Dave Worrall. Pfeiffer appears on the DAD dvd extras I believe. The publisher is HarperEntertainment. My copy ends with TWINE, I don't think it's been updated past that. Price is $22.95 (U.S.)

I'm pretty sure that an extended copy including Die Another Day is available for sale in the UK. Not sure though.

[Tanger]

I've heard that one is available Qwerty but I have never seen it myself. Probably because I've never looked for it.

[DLibrasnow]

I don;t think it's a blooper.....But, I think a lot of Bond fans just "assume" it is!

[Qwerty]

I've heard that one is available Qwerty but I have never seen it myself. Probably because I've never looked for it.

It was hardly advertised, but I think, that is think, that it's only for the UK. I haven't seen one for sale in the US anywhere.

[Blofeld's Cat]

I've always considered this scene NOT to be a blooper. As DLib feels I also think that Orlov was too rash in destroying the real egg and Khan didn't have time to stop him, hence his pained expression.

Jim posed the question: "What happened to the fake egg Kamal bought at the auction?" If Orlov thought it was the fake, where did he think the real one was?

[Genrewriter]

Maybe he thought it was safe with Octopussy.

[Roger Moore's Bad Facelift]

Sorry. I'm a tad late with this. I know nobody even cares but I did say I would post the details of the book (which states this scene is a blooper) and by george, I am a man of my word so here they are.

The details:

The book is "The Incredible World of 007; an authorized celebration of James Bond" Updated Edition w a frwrd by Cubby Broccoli.
By Lee Pheiffer and Philip Lisa.

Citadel Press Book. Carol Publishing Group.



However, i think I am beggining to side with the people who say the movie intentionally is supposed to play out that way.

[DLibrasnow]

Sorry. I'm a tad late with this. I know nobody even cares but I did say I would post the details of the book (which states this scene is a blooper) and by george, I am a man of my word so here they are.

The details:

The book is "The Incredible World of 007; an authorized celebration of James Bond" Updated Edition w a frwrd by Cubby Broccoli.
By Lee Pheiffer and Philip Lisa.

Citadel Press Book. Carol Publishing Group.



However, i think I am beggining to side with the people who say the movie intentionally is supposed to play out that way.

I think the key is the pained expression on Kamals face. Its obvious that it is not a blooper but just a mistake by Orlov.

Plus, it also allows Kamal to find the listening device at the right time in the plot for the action to move along!

[Peter]

I think it's a blooper. But I think that Kamal's expression makes sense if he thought it was a fake as well.

First, it was a grimace at the sudden violence of Orlov. Although we know Kamal's the villian of the piece, he's rather polished, and if he were going to destroy something, he would do it with more panache.

But second (and more importantly) Kamal could have resold the egg, scamming some collector. It WAS a high quality fake, if the potential buyer said it was fake, Kamal could feign surprise. Otherwise, he makes a nice bundle.

I base this on the later scene when Kamal and Gobinda take "the plates for the dollars, francs, pounds, etc. We can always print our own." Clearly, Kamal is not above a get rich quick scheme.