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[Prav_007]

Although I am not American, I want to know is Arnold Schwarzenegger a democrat or republican?

[PrinceKamalKhan]

Republican.

[Prav_007]

Damn, I was wondering because his wife is part of the Kennedy family which their more democrats. Damn.....no wonder George W. Bush said" Arnold would make a great governor" I hate that bastard.

[Truman-Lodge]

I hate Bush as well. He's successfully turned America into a fascist state that crushes dissent.

[Prav_007]

I agree, Bush should be the next Bond villian he can successfully manipulate a country and turn against other regimes with one B.S speech. Bond 21 should be MI6 Vs. THE CHRISTIAN REGIME, I haf nothin against Christians, but Bush views revolve around Christiantity.

[Harmsway]

America a fascist state? That's taking it a little too far. I'm no Bush fan, but I don't think he's Satan incarnate! I don't believe he necessarily manipulated a country, I believe he got caught up in what he was fighting for without looking into the evidence and made some major mistakes.

Besides, Prav_007, what's wrong with Bush having Christian views?

[Truman-Lodge]

For the huge majority of Americans, the USA is not a fascist state. However, for an unlucky few, their lives have been taken apart by the administration's trampling of civil rights.

[Prav_007]

The problem with that, Harmsway is that Bush tend to speak to one kind of people, Christians, as a the president of the US, his religious views should not speak for the hundreds of religious people in the country, like muslims, hindus, buddhists, and others.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

a repub. i think

[Harmsway]

Originally posted by prav_007
The problem with that, Harmsway is that Bush tend to speak to one kind of people, Christians, as a the president of the US, his religious views should not speak for the hundreds of religious people in the country, like muslims, hindus, buddhists, and others.

First off, I'm going to assume that your "should not" is actually a "should" so that it makes sense.

Bush would be compromising his own beliefs to support those of Muslims, Hindus, and Bhuddists. You can't ask a man to change his personal beliefs just because he's the leader of a nation. From his perspective, these beliefs decide eternity. Whether you like him or not - in your case, obviously not - he was elected, and in that sense, his beliefs were elected too.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

arnold might be good for cali

[Kingdom Come]

Bush said, "He'd make a "good" govenor"! - hardly praise! Arnie, they say, is a "soft" republican - so all my not be as bad as it would seem [sorry to any Republicans out there!]

[kevrichardson]

Does anyone here feel or rather believes that he has a serious chance of becoming Govenor ?

[Harmsway]

Well, it is California...

[Truman-Lodge]

Originally posted by Harmsway
Well, it is the United States...

I think that's what you meant. Let's not forget Jesse "The Body" Ventura, after all.

[Prav_007]

Originally posted by Harmsway


First off, I'm going to assume that your "should not" is actually a "should" so that it makes sense.

Bush would be compromising his own beliefs to support those of Muslims, Hindus, and Bhuddists. You can't ask a man to change his personal beliefs just because he's the leader of a nation. From his perspective, these beliefs decide eternity. Whether you like him or not - in your case, obviously not - he was elected, and in that sense, his beliefs were elected too.

Sorry, English is my second language,

I am not saying that Mr. Bush should change his beliefs, I am saying that his religious beliefs should not come first to the nation. As the president he serves to the entire nation. Democracy is for everyone, and everyone is a treated as an American in America, a Canadian in Canada and so on. I can't agree that Bush would compromise his own beliefs to support those of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and others. How do we know that? We cannot speak for Mr. Bush. Can somebody prove it? You also said, he was elected, and his beliefs was also elected too, now I somewhat agree with this statement. But we didn't know everything about Bush's beliefs before he was elected, now do we? We may have got a glimpse of his character, but not everything before he became President.

My point is that I feel very strongly about that religion and state should not mix. As I said before that democracy is for everyone, in a similar issue that rises in Canada, same-sex marriage. Now Christians believe that same-sex marriage is a sin, but what about others that are not Christian? What about a possibility that other religions accept same-sex marriage? Now if religion were to mix with politics, and Mr. Bush views were to fall toward Christianity, same-sex marriage would be illegal, won

[Harmsway]

[quote]Originally posted by prav_007
What about a possibility that other religions accept same-sex marriage? Now if religion were to mix with politics, and Mr. Bush views were to fall toward Christianity, same-sex marriage would be illegal, won

[Prav_007]

Harmsway read this:

To: President George Bush
Put Prayer Back In Our Public Schools

As christian citizens of the United States we have prepared this petition to restore prayer back in public schools throughout this great nation. This nation was founded on our christian beliefs. The first Amendment of the Constitution of the United States says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the freedom thereof." We include God in our Pledge of Allegiance "One Nation Under God". We include God when printing our currency "In God We Trust".

As christians we have stood by and allowed our government to take prayer from our schools. Our children can not read the Bible in school without persecution. They can no longer pray before ball games or at the start of the day. If they try to share God with their friends at school it can even be considered a crime. Now we have children that are afraid to share the faith that this country was founded on. We have children that never hear the word of God at all because their friends are not allowed to talk to them about it. We have children who are killing one another inside and outside of our schools.

Does this country not understand that without God we are doomed to destruction. If we take God out of our schools we are also taking this nation out from under God's powerful protection. What a horrid shame to let that happen when we have the power to change it. We as christians fell asleep and let the enemy try to destroy generations of our youth. Well now we are AWAKE. We are standing up for our children and we are taking back a generation that has been nearly destroyed with with the separation of state and religion. The Bible says you are either for God or against him. We will no longer straddle a fence. We have decided we are for our God and will stand up for our children's right to pray in school.

In short we are demanding that prayer be restored to all public schools throughout the United States.

We will be sending a copy with all signatures to the President of the United States, all state governess, and the United States Congress.

I plead with you today to stand up and be counted as christians and sign this petition and get all your friends and relatives to do the same.


Now this is B.S. if you are not Christian. What if this petition thing became a law. Who are we forgettin, every other religion. This is deadly, when we assimilate other people and forget that they have their own religious values, that is deadly. We cannot assimilate others of society, that is my problem of Mr. Bush.

I do believe that religion does inflict with our polictal views. But Bush has been proven to be a strong Christian, the situation in the middleast truly proves how much Bush is a Christian. This is bad and that's what bothers me and plenty of others, discluding you. A strong religous guy means one person in one direction only, and if he acts on what he believes, then he believes in one direction. Our society is plentiful, and requires a leader to think a wider viewpoint, so they do not assimilate others. Thats all i haf to say.

[SamuelKevlar]

The old Celtic Pagans had a wonderful way of dealing with disputes:

"As ye harm none, do what ye will."

So anyone can do anything, as long as it does no harm (physical, emotional, financial, legal, etc) to anybody, including themselves.

So if you are against same-sex marriages, you're unlikely to marry another guy, but you have no right to, shall we say, inflict this belief, and this rule, on others.

Ok, I'm babbling, but I think I made my point somewhere in there.

And as for the Arnie for Governor thing.. If a nation 'elects' someone like Bush, anything can happen.

[homerjbond]

Getting back to Arnold. He is described as "fiscally conservative" and "socially liberal". There are Republicans who don't care too much for him...

[DLibrasnow]

Arnold is running as a Republican....He is a big supporter of the Republican Party but Jamie Lee Curtis was on 'Good Morning America' last week (promoting her new movie "Freaky Friday") and she said although Arnie is a Republican she thinks he is actually a social Democrat at heart.
Regis Philbin repeated that belief on his ABC show this morning.

[Simon]

I saw a TV doco on Arnie here in the UK, while he is an amazing character with more "get up and go" than any other average Joe, he does also seem to have succumbed to the Holier than thou ethics of stratospheric super stardom.

Someone opened the door of his trailer to see him munching on a girl (I'm not drawing a diagram) whereupon he declared, "To eat is not to cheat".

I'm not sure my girlfriend would hold such elastic and broad views.

A nice little story nonetheless.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Simon
Someone opened the door of his trailer to see him munching on a girl (I'm not drawing a diagram) whereupon he declared, "To eat is not to cheat".

Damn.....I am sure Maria and Arnie had an interesting conversation when that story broke.

[Simon]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow


Damn.....I am sure Maria and Arnie had an interesting conversation when that story broke.

Unless she also figured he wasn't cheating........hmm. What do you reckon?

[ChandlerBing]

What the hell does anyone care if our political leaders cheat anymore? So many people voted to give Bill Clinton, a definite womanizer if there was one, 2 terms as President, what the hell is the big deal for you people with Arnold, whether he really did cheat or not? Is it really an issue?

[Mister Asterix]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But more importantly, is Gary Coleman running as a Democrat or Republican?

[ChandlerBing]

Whatchoutalkinabout, misterasterix?

[Simon]

Originally posted by ChandlerBing
What the hell does anyone care if our political leaders cheat anymore?  So many people voted to give Bill Clinton, a definite womanizer if there was one, 2 terms as President, what the hell is the big deal for you people with Arnold, whether he really did cheat or not?  Is it really an issue?

I think he was at the time espousing family values and all that. I still believe that one has to practice what one preaches if you're going into these types of positions.

For my part, couldn't give a damn. I don't trust anyone who actively campaigns to get into power. For example, I would want an American President who was capable but who definitely didn't want the job.

Figure that one out.

And that is why I don't vote here at home. It is a recipe for eternal disappointment.

[Deacon_Frost]

I'm American and I strongly support Bush. and IMO, if you don't live here in the US, DON'T BASH BUSH. You have no idea what is like to be governed by him. I don't judge Tony Blair.

I am so sick of this anti-Bush replies and no one backs it up. Plus half of everyone here is overseas.

So Keep your Mouths Shut!

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by ChandlerBing
Whatchoutalkinabout, misterasterix?

Gary Coleman (of the late1970s/early 1980s) TV show "Different Strokes" is apparently also running for Governor...