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[License To Kill]

Okay, Tarl and I were discussing it in the "Who would the 4 Bond's marry" thread. I said Tim wouldn't, because he never had sex. Okay, maybe a little outlandish statement at the time. I was thinking at the end of the movies. TLD: He definitely can't. Too many people right outside the door. LTK: No way in the pool, too many people again. Tarl reminded me of the times in the body of the film, itself. Yes, you can debate that he doesn't have sex at all. But it's a tough case.

So, CBners, speak on Tim Dalton's sex life!

[DanMan]

He had sex with Lupe in Sanchez's mansion! But besides that, he seemed to be more of a romantic than a womanizer unlike the other Bonds.

[Blofeld's Cat]

If I remember correctly, the producers and Dalton decided that Bond would be more responsible in his "liaisons" as a result of the AIDS epidemic, which at the time was still not fully understood.

Hence the lack of women-bedding by Bond during that period.

[License To Kill]

Really BC? That's very interesting!

[ray t]

at the time of Daylights release, the world was shying away from promiscuity and gravitating towards monogomy because, as BC says, the world was very concerned with HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases.

Eon were simply trying to cater to the times...hence only one liason for timothy during the main body of that movie

the 3 chicks per movie formula from randy roger's era would only re-emerge 10 years later with the fantastic TOMORROW NEVER DIES....

[ray t]

btw, a year or so ago there was a thread that was based around rumours of a certain bond actor who got the part by sleeping with one of the producers. it turned ugly. there were accusations about either timothy or pierce being bisexual, etc...i wonder what happened to that (rather amusing and outlandish) thread:o:D:p:rolleyes:

[ChandlerBing]

Dalton couldn't get laid in a morgue.

[DanMan]

LOL ChandlerBing. But I do remember on the TLD DVD Michael Wilson say that they decided Bond should become a mynogamist and lean more on the action side instead of sex.

[Kingdom Come]

The leaning away from a promiscious Bond, started just before AVTAK went into production. In that film, Rog only beds May Day. It continued on through The Living Daylights and seems to have stopped from GoldenEye onwards - which shows you the Bond Empire can alter their formula, although with the majority of cases of HIV and AIDS from heteosexuals and more widespread than it was way back then - it seems odd that the less promiscious Bond has now gone!

[License To Kill]

Originally posted by ChandlerBing
Dalton couldn't get laid in a morgue.

Hahaha, spot on, Chandler

[Dr.Carl Mortner]

The environment of the time notwithstanding, the decision to dewomanize Bond was dumb. Bond's womanizing - at least in the movies - is his primary appeal. It's also his primary weakness that's exploited by the villains. I mean, in the Connery movies especially, Bond's ability to seduce a woman was the plot point on which the whole story hinged (FRWL, GF, TB). Without the womanizing, Bond is just another action hero with a gun, and that's the impression Dalton gave us in his two-movie tenure.

[ray t]

Originally posted by Kingdom Come
The leaning away from a promiscious Bond, started just before AVTAK went into production. In that film, Rog only beds May Day.  

you are truly mistaken, old boy:)

he does the girl in the iceberg sub in the pretitles for 5 straight days!!!

may day

and stacey at the end

connery holds the record...the bastard had 4 in yolt...the girl in hong kong, aki, helga and presumably kissy at the end:D

come to think of it...he could have done 5 in thunderball ....miss fearing at shrublands, fiona, domino...i believe he had the french station girl after the pretitles....and i recon he could have tried having a go at paula caplan just to kill some time in nassau.

o...forgot george in ohmms....tracy...and 3 at piz gloria (the work was certainly 'piling up')...so 4 for him as well.

[ray t]

i think connery has the record for low count as well:

only 1 in Diamonds Are Forever...

he did look rather rotund / portly in that embarrasing shot with tiffany in the vegas hotel room......

[Loomis]

Originally posted by ray t

he does the girl in the iceberg sub in the pretitles for 5 straight days!!!

may day

and stacey at the end

Don't forget Pola Ivanova.

While we're on the subject, would the most adventurous Bond girl be LICENCE TO KILL's Lupe? She has no fewer than four lovers in the film! (Sanchez, the guy in the pre-credits sequence, Bond and President Lopez.) That's twice the number of partners 007 has in LTK!

[Turn]

I'd say Connery had at least four in FRWL (Sylvia, the gypsy chicks and Tatiana), and maybe more in between the time he arrived in Istanbul the gypsy camp.

Back to Dalton a minute. When he was cast, he stated he wanted to be closer to the Fleming Bond. The Fleming Bond had just one girl basically per book and wasn't nearly the horndog the movie character became. So the fit was good. Now, the films and books are two different beasts, but this is a legitimate point if you take that into account.

And before anybody gives Chandler a comedy award, he borrowed the line (adding Dalton's name) from Weird Science. Although props to him for pulling out a good line from a film I should watch again soon.

[ray t]

Originally posted by Loomis


Don't forget Pola Ivanova.

While we're on the subject, would the most adventurous Bond girl be LICENCE TO KILL's Lupe? She has no fewer than four lovers in the film! (Sanchez, the guy in the pre-credits sequence, Bond and President Lopez.) That's twice the number of partners 007 has in LTK!

loomis....so correct...4 for rog then in avtak...tying sean and (perhaps) lazenby


re lupe'....what a dirty 'lil tramp;) just my type (attitude wise) too bad she wasnt as hot looking as pam bouvier

but u are "bang" on, loomis, about lupe' on screen. i would have reckoned that the 3 most adventurous (off screen) could have been the psychotic trio of:

Fiona Volpe

Fatima Blush

and Xenia Onnatop

[Mister Asterix]

I don’t see why Bond and Kara could not have gave a ‘command performance’ at the end. They certainly would not have been the first people to have sex in a dressing room with a crowd outside the door.

And let us not forget the girl on the boat in the pre-titles of The Living Daylights when Bond shows her how long it takes to ‘report’.

[johnisnumberone]

We have to assume that Dalton had sex with the "playboys and tennis pros" girl on the boat in TLD.
"I'll report in an hour...better make that two."

[Jaelle]

I dread to get into this as this thread is more about guys throwing out sexual insults at an actor who was extremely popular with models and actresses and female fans in his day (just ask readers of the British tabloids in the 70s and 80s) here's where I think Bond had sex in TLD and LTK:

1. Overnight at the Afghan fort -- there's no reason why this couldn't have happened
2. In Karachi -- Bond and Kara go to Karachi before heading back to Tangier; that leaves them a couple of days in Karachi to relax
3. The night of Kara's concert
4. In one of the later drafts of the LTK script, it's stated that Pam opens her robe in the boat as Bond takes her in his arms and the two make love right then. The only problem with this is that little boat doesn't seem very comfortable, but hey, the waters were fairly calm at the time...
5. Sex with Lupe
6. Sex with Pam soon after the party

All off-screen of course, and mostly assumed on my part. For entirely selfish reasons, I completely agree there should've been more attention paid to this matter in his two films!

Dalton said that Bond in the books stuck to one woman per adventure and preferred to keep it that way in the films---tho he ceretainly didn't mean it to preclude sex *at all.* Anyone who's watched Lie Down with Lions, The Reef, Le Voyeur, The King's Wh-re and other films he's done knows that he can handle sex scenes *very well.* I know, I rewind them often just to watch them.

For another actor's take on Dalton and sex, read what John Rhys Davies has to say on the subject in the new book by David Giammarco called "For Your Eyes Only: Behind the Scenes of the James Bond Films." Or pick up an old issue of the Bondage magazine and read how the Mexican women in the hotel and post office where LTK was filmed reacted to him.

[Kingdom Come]

Come on - be fair, a lot of whats been said is based around assumptions. We don't know if Bond and Pola have sex. We don't know if Bond in the pre-titles AVTAK actually has sex. I meant were is was obvious they were 'at it'! I mean really at it...

[zencat]

Originally posted by Kingdom Come
Come on - be fair, a lot of whats been said is based around assumptions. We don't know if Bond and Pola have sex. We don't know if Bond in the pre-titles AVTAK actually has sex. I meant were is was obvious they were 'at it'! I mean really at it...

I'm assuming they had sex. Pola just looked too happy amid those bubbles, and the girl in the sub was not putting up much of a fight as Roger unzipped her nifty skin-tight parka/jump suit. We never really

[Loomis]

Originally posted by Kingdom Come

Come on - be fair, a lot of whats been said is based around assumptions. We don't know if Bond and Pola have sex. We don't know if Bond in the pre-titles AVTAK actually has sex. I meant were is was obvious they were 'at it'! I mean really at it...  

Sure, but aren't those fair assumptions? I really think the filmmakers intended us to assume they were having a bit of how's-your-father. I mean, Bond and Pola are two adults sharing a hot tob and flirting outrageously. I'd be miffed if I caught my girlfriend in that position with some chap! Likewise, we see Bond unzipping the female agent's clothes in the AVTAK pre-credits scene, and kissing her. Now what do you think that's meant to imply?

[zencat]

But as far as Dalton goes...

I'm assuming Dalton had sex with the girl on the boat in TLD. This is why I've never considered this a "one woman" Bond the way some people do.

And I think Kara and Bond had sex in the Afghan fort. I think when we fade out on kissing...that means they can't show us what came next and that means what came next was sex.

Oh, and I believe Connery boinked both gypsy girls at the same time.

[Loomis]

Originally posted by zencat

I'm assuming Dalton had sex with the girl on the boat in TLD. This is why I've never considered this a "one woman" Bond the way some people do.

I never assumed that. I always felt he just had a drink with her and flirted, to relax a bit after his ordeal, and maybe fixed a dinner date (although I don't imagine he'd have been able to hang around Gibraltar). I never felt Dalton's Bond would have had sex with someone he'd literally only just met. It's all in the eye of the beholder, though. Seems a bit unlikely that he'd have allowed himself to take his time getting back to his colleagues, though, given that a Double-0 agent had just been murdered by an agent of a foreign power, whom he, Bond, had subsequently killed. Wouldn't time have been of the essence in a major way? Wouldn't he have wanted to help comb the area for other enemy agents, make sure M was safe, etc.?

Originally posted by zencat

And I think Kara and Bond has sex in the Afghan fort. I think when we fade on kissing...that means they can't show us what's coming next and that means what's coming next is sex.

Oh, definitely.

Originally posted by zencat

Oh, and I believe Connery boinked both gypsy girls at the same time.

Yep. Only Connery.

[zencat]

Originally posted by Loomis
... I never felt Dalton's Bond would have had sex with someone he'd literally only just met. It's all in the eye of the beholder, though. Seems a bit unlikely that he'd have allowed himself to take his time getting back to his colleagues, though, given that a Double-0 agent had just been murdered by an agent of a foreign power, whom he, Bond, had subsequently killed. Wouldn't time have been of the essence in a major way? Wouldn't he have wanted to help comb the area for other enemy agents, make sure M was safe, etc.?

Maybe you're right about this. I'm not allowing for the Dalton era realism. Give me the days when a shot at a pretty young thing trumped all mission objectives. That's a James Bond movie.

[Tarl_Cabot]

LTK, my reply in the other forum was:

"He does but it's *implied* sex. It's not in your face. He has sex with the women on the yacht in the beginning of TLD (she was a bored and horny super rich woman looking for a "real man"-I think it's safe to assume he banged her). He sleeps with Kara in Afghanistan and in London, maybe not in the dressing room with M outside...
LTK:
He has sex with Pam on the cigarette boat in the Bahamas and with Lupe Lamora in his guest room at Sanchez' pad. 2 films, 4 sexual partners and fairly believable.If you really need to see him cuddeling afterwards than so be it.Roger got laid so easily it was ridiculous...

That sums up mu thoughts perfectly...

[Tarl_Cabot]

Brosnan had only 2 lovers in Goldeneye: That unattractive and anal retentive doctor(easily the least sexy Bond girl ever) and Natalya. No sex with Xenia, the most exciting woman in the film...I liked Natalya alot though.

[License To Kill]

Originally posted by Loomis


Don't forget Pola Ivanova.

While we're on the subject, would the most adventurous Bond girl be LICENCE TO KILL's Lupe? She has no fewer than four lovers in the film! (Sanchez, the guy in the pre-credits sequence, Bond and President Lopez.) That's twice the number of partners 007 has in LTK!

Wow, thats something to consider!

[Tarl_Cabot]

Lupe=!

[Loomis]

Originally posted by zencat

"... I never felt Dalton's Bond would have had sex with someone he'd literally only just met. It's all in the eye of the beholder, though. Seems a bit unlikely that he'd have allowed himself to take his time getting back to his colleagues, though, given that a Double-0 agent had just been murdered by an agent of a foreign power, whom he, Bond, had subsequently killed. Wouldn't time have been of the essence in a major way? Wouldn't he have wanted to help comb the area for other enemy agents, make sure M was safe, etc.?"

Maybe you're right about this. I'm not allowing for the Dalton era realism. Give me the days when a shot at a pretty young thing trumped all mission objectives. That's a James Bond movie.  

The implausibility (to put it mildly) of 007 taking it easy with a babe just after a major security breach had occurred, with the murder of a Double-0 and the possibility of enemy agents still in the area (and wouldn't it have occurred to Bond to wonder what the woman on the yacht was doing there - mightn't she have been one of the baddies?), may be excused by the fact that they were introducing a new actor as Bond and had to very quickly set him up as an adventurer, killer and ladies' man. We had to hear him say: "Bond, James Bond." With all that out of the way, the adventure could begin and audiences would be prepared to follow him on it.

Then again, THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS was supposedly originally written for Moore, and maybe the scene with the girl on the yacht was a hangover from a draft from the less realistic and more jokey Moore era.