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#211 Odd Jobbies

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 10:19 PM

This idea of why Bond chose this job has been played out. I have no problem with the films looking deeper into Bond's character. However, this idea of questioning his job needs to go.

 

 

In a nutshell, yes.

 

Though Bond being virtually suicidal in a YOLT adaptation would be OK ;)



#212 SecretAgentFan

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Posted Yesterday, 07:43 AM

For my taste, the whole "let´s look deeper at Bond´s character" is completely played out.

 

If you look any deeper you will see there is nothing else.  Orphan, anti-social behaviour that made him perfect for the spy job, losing his first love turned him into a what the heck-womanizer, and the second love of his life was killed by his main enemy, turning him into an even more determined lone assassin.

 

What else is there?



#213 MISALA1994

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Posted Yesterday, 08:49 AM

For my taste, the whole "let´s look deeper at Bond´s character" is completely played out.

If you look any deeper you will see there is nothing else. Orphan, anti-social behaviour that made him perfect for the spy job, losing his first love turned him into a what the heck-womanizer, and the second love of his life was killed by his main enemy, turning him into an even more determined lone assassin.

What else is there?

My opinion: nothing.

#214 Odd Jobbies

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Posted Yesterday, 11:28 AM

Indeed! It's a crime that they've done this to death before arriving at a YOLT adaptation (which is where SP's ending would naturally lead).

 

Just like they raped and pillaged Fleming's stories so that almost none could be done faithfully without repetition, they have now exhausted a core theme so that perhaps the best story on this theme, YOLT can't be done without repeated it yet again.

 

As much as i love Eon and BB etc, they have been remiss to some extent in this regard... Ah, guess i'm grumpy this morning -i need another coffee!



#215 SecretAgentFan

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Posted Yesterday, 12:23 PM

I actually believe that EON has done the right thing: using elements from the novels that were useful for a big budget mass entertainment, disregarding the rest.

 

It was even useful to make Bond darker, looking at his psychology - because that was the trend of the 00-years.

 

But now it´s time to stop.  The sinister, tortured hero is a thing of yesterday, boring and overdone.  It´s high time for a return to the fun James Bond.  And in general, IMHO, to stop treating pulp fiction heroes as if they fit in our reality.



#216 sharpshooter

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Posted Yesterday, 12:50 PM

Less is more holds true for me. It adds mystique and depth to a character without devoting valuable screentime away from an overaching storyline. I think Batman (1989) did this really effectively. In Bond's case, I really like Felix saying "he was married once, but it was a long time ago" in LTK. With that small scene we learn Bond has plenty of emotional baggage behind his smile. There's more to him. I'm okay with psychology - it depends on the intensity of what they're aiming for, I guess.

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Posted Yesterday, 02:39 PM

I actually believe that EON has done the right thing: using elements from the novels that were useful for a big budget mass entertainment, disregarding the rest.

 

It was even useful to make Bond darker, looking at his psychology - because that was the trend of the 00-years.

 

But now it´s time to stop.  The sinister, tortured hero is a thing of yesterday, boring and overdone.  It´s high time for a return to the fun James Bond.  And in general, IMHO, to stop treating pulp fiction heroes as if they fit in our reality.

Very interesting thought, but have you seen Logan or Batman vs. Superman? I´m not sure the "sinister, tortured hero is a thing of yesterday".

 

So, what's next?



#218 SecretAgentFan

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Posted Yesterday, 04:32 PM

I actually saw both - and I must admit, I enjoyed Batman v Superman and appreciated the intent and execution of LOGAN.  Yet, I guess that the reaction to BvS already prompted a lighter approach for JUSTICE LEAGUE, and LOGAN is the end of that franchise.  If you look at the other comic book heroes gearing up for new installments it´s all about having more fun and being more light-hearted as well.

 

And, quite frankly, after LOGAN I was asking myself: is this really what I am entertained by?  Two hours of death, destruction, pain, anger, hopelessness?  While the film is made very well, I don´t want to see it again.

 

But that´s exactly what drives the ongoing success of the Bond films.  You want to see them again, have a good time watching them, feeling better afterwards.



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Posted Yesterday, 05:58 PM

There were several lighter moments in Logan, as  though they didn't want to go Dark Knight dark. But, mostly, a bleak film, yes.

 

Bond is a hedonist. He loves for today because he may be dead tomorrow. That's why he's a womanizer and a drinker and lives well. Of course, in the books, he's more or less a civil servant most of the time and only has assignments every few months.


Edited by DavidJones, Yesterday, 06:48 PM.


#220 Odd Jobbies

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Posted Yesterday, 07:11 PM

I love that they've moved into dramatic territory and away from comic book adventure. Craig's movies are action-thrillers and that's more exciting than colourful tropes. I hope they don't abandon the rougher edge and darker tone with wit as it's foil, rather than camp gags.

 

Just ditch the over reliance on constant question: "is he OHMSS or has he had enough of it all?" Stop using this blunt story device as the crowbar to jimmy open his inner workings. About time they did it in a less on-the-nose fashion.



#221 DaveBond21

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Posted Yesterday, 09:43 PM

I actually saw both - and I must admit, I enjoyed Batman v Superman and appreciated the intent and execution of LOGAN.  Yet, I guess that the reaction to BvS already prompted a lighter approach for JUSTICE LEAGUE, and LOGAN is the end of that franchise.  If you look at the other comic book heroes gearing up for new installments it´s all about having more fun and being more light-hearted as well.

 

And, quite frankly, after LOGAN I was asking myself: is this really what I am entertained by?  Two hours of death, destruction, pain, anger, hopelessness?  While the film is made very well, I don´t want to see it again.

 

But that´s exactly what drives the ongoing success of the Bond films.  You want to see them again, have a good time watching them, feeling better afterwards.

 

Good points. I don't want to see either of those movies based on how you've described them.

 

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#222 Hockey Mask

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Posted Yesterday, 10:02 PM

Logan was awesome and executed exactly what it tried to be. Similar to Fury Road.

#223 MISALA1994

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Posted Today, 08:49 AM

Logan was awesome and executed exactly what it tried to be. Similar to Fury Road.

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