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#1 RMc2

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Posted 29 February 2016 - 12:24 AM

So I've now seen SPECTRE four times all the way through, and rewatched several sequences of it a few times, and I think I finally have a fully-tuned opinion.

 

Short Version:

 

SPECTRE isn't awful.

 

But it's very unsatisfying.

 

 

Long Version:

 

First, it must be said that I was bitterly disappointed by SP when I saw it in the cinema on opening night. It wasn't the film I wanted it to be. But upon rewatching it, accepting it for what it is, and especially in the comfort of home media, there is a lot to appreciate. However, that doesn't mean my initial impression on opening night was wrong; just prejudiced.

 

 

THE GOOD STUFF

 

- Daniel Craig is great. He goes for a Connery vibe in SP, and nails it. He is firmly my favourite Bond now. He already was my personal favourite, but now that we can directly compare his performance to his predecessors, I'm happy to place him as my number 1. Connery will always be definitive, but Craig is the best.

 

- The PTS is absolutely amazing. Yes, it goes on a bit too long and the CGI is dodgy. However, every minute is spectacular. It's tense, driven and exhilarating. Those helicopter stunts, Craig's steely determination, the scale of it and the sheer dazzle of the Day of the Dead cannot be underpraised.

 

- Daniel Kleinman's opening titles are once again stunning. Those erotic tentacles are wonderful. I like how he recreates the colours of Hoyte van Hoytema's cinematography, too. He manages to bring meaning to Sam Smith's rather rote lyrics as well. Although, as with SF, it's arguable that he uses too much of the film's imagery and story in the sequence.

 

- The action sequences are undeniably huge. The explosion in Morocco, the car spewing fire in Rome, the plane vs jeep chase... All gratutiously huge.

 

- The cast is incredible.

 

- "Christoph Waltz is Blofeld". I'll never stop smiling when I say that :)

 

- Lucia Sciarra and Madeleine Swann are excellent characters. Possibly the best Bond girls we've had since Vesper. I really like them.

 

- Mr Hinx is cool.

 

- Jesper Christensen returns as Mr White! Unlike other fans on this forum, I think the film used him well. The film develops his character a lot, even after his death. As henchmen go, he will cast a long shadow.

 

- I actually like the plot. Sure, Bond still isn't doing much espionage, but I like the adventure he goes on, at least for the first 90 minutes. I like how each clue leads him to somewhere or to someone unexpected. I especially like how Bond unintentionally helps the villains in their scheme. Unfortunately this part is not made very clear.

 

- Furthermore, it's the most tightly plotted Bond film for a long while. Everything is set up and accounted for. Even Bond's black plane is waiting outside the clinic, and the rings are nicely explained by the meteorite. Although I only know that thanks to the thread on this forum!

 

- I love the idea of Bond's foster brother being the villain.

 

- I like that SP finally ties Craig's tenure together. The way it's done, however, is frustrating.

 

- I love the mouse scene.

 

- "That's brothers for you, we always know which buttons to press." My second favourite line in the film.

 

- "Now we know what C stands for."

 

 

 

THE BAD STUFF

 

- Craig's Bond is too superhuman.

 

- Hoytema's grading is too heavy. Beautiful sets (the Spectre meeting) and locations (the Day of the Dead) are sapped of life and colour by ridiculously heavy and yellow grading. Combined with Thomas Newman's ambient score, the film's atmosphere is hazy often snooze-inducing.

 

I don't blame Hoytema or Newman for this; it's typical of Mendes' filmography. The difference is, before SF his films weren't big action movies; and for the first time in his career Mendes doesn't have The Greatest American Cinematographer or The Greatest Living Cinematographer to make his work look beautiful.

 

 

- Oberhauser as the villain is brilliant. But they waste the opportunity to have Bond facing his brother. The relationship between Trevelyan and Bond was much, much more complex, tense and provocative. And they were just colleagues!

 

It doesn't help that neither Bond nor Blofeld seem to care at all about each other. Except they do...but they don't. They're both too nonchalant.

 

 

- Oberhauser is also Blofeld? I'm not sure. It doesn't bother me as much as it bothers many people on this forum, but if it weren't Christoph Waltz playing him, I'd be less happy. I'd have preferred Lucia Sciarra to wander into the torture scene, pick up the Persian and reveal herself (as Blofeld). Now that would have been a twist.

 

 

- Speaking of Blofeld, he doesn't satisfactorily explain how and why the other films are his work. He effectively shrugs and says. "They were me." It's been discussed in more detail elsewhere on these forums, but the scene in Blofeld's lair needed much more, especially when tying the films together.

 

 

- Keeping Waltz's identity a secret until the third act is a mistake. The film's mystery is "Who is he and what does he want, and why?". That's a weak mystery; we need at least one of those questions answered early on to make the other questions worth answering.

 

For example, in SF we knew what the villain wanted from the beginning (i.e. revenge on M), but we didn't know who he was or why he wanted revenge. Then we found out halfway through, and the remainder of the film was a classic action thriller.

 

We should already know what the villain wants, and therefore why Bond should stop him. Or we should know who he is, and be wondering what he wants. SP wants us guessing about the villain's identity and motive for far too long.

 

It doesn't help that we can guess he's Blofeld and that he's behind Nine Eyes from the start. But by pretending it's a mystery, a big twist and maintaining it as the thrust of the narrative, SP sets us up for a big letdown.

 

 

- Also, the threat of Nine Eyes is never properly established. Sure, it's topical. But is it a real threat? At least Captain America: The Winter Soldier had the wisdom to threaten millions of lives... Furthermore, Bond doesn't seem to care about Nine Eyes, so why should we?

 

 

- The scenes with Denbigh are repetitive and keep killing the momentum of Bond's adventure with Madeleine. The last three scenes with Denbigh (M's speech about "licence not to kill", the vote where the South Africans change their minds, the scene where M says Bond is on his own) could all have been combined into one. A slightly longer version of the scene in C's office (and I really mean it, just a minute longer) would have given time for all that to happen.

 

 

- Monica Bellucci/Lucia Sciarra is criminally underused. She has more chemistry than Seydoux with Craig.

 

 

- Madeleine Swann's character arc is fumbled. She's so interesting up until the torture scene. And then she unconvincingly declares love. And then she waits until the last possible moment to reject Bond's life. Worse still, we all know that last part is a plot device.

 

 

- The entire last, fourth act is a big mistake. It's tacked on and unintentionally funny in places. Symbolism be damned.

 

Setting it at night is boring (see above comment about Hoytema's cinematography). The 'intimacy' of the confrontation is boring without sparkling dialogue or proper tension.

 

It's structured in a stuttered fashion. Bond and MI6 pals are on the move - then they're stopped. Bond moves through the MI6 building - then stops. Bond races to find Madeleine and escape - then the scene stops while MI6 pals look on. Bond pursues the helicopter on a boat - then stops on the bridge.

 

Mendes even manages to fudge the tension of the classic bomb countdown! There is no suspense there. We needed to see Madeleine tied up before Bond did; we needed to know there was real danger. Cutting away to the MI6 crew doesn't help (see above comment about Denbigh scenes and momentum).

 

 

- There's a similar problem with the other action scenes. Bond's phone call to Moneypenny during the Rome chase, and cutting away to Q on his laptop after Hinx has kidnapped Madeleine - Mendes is telling us that these things are more important than the danger our heroes are in! It's a huge blunder in an action movie.

 

And Bond's escape from Blofeld's lair is far too easy. What a waste of Cinema's Biggest Explosion: it's essentially a punchline.

 

 

- The entire Rome chase is tonally off. It's too light-hearted to have tension, and sits uncomfortably next to the sinister Spectre meeting. On third viewing, it seems painfully uncharacteristic of Craig's Bond as well. It recalls Dalton's visible discomfort with the awkward comedy of TLD.

 

 

 

THE NEUTRAL STUFF

 

- The Writing's On The Wall. I don't hate it. It's third in my ranking of Craig Bond songs, but leagues ahead of Another Way To Die.

 

- The torture scene. I like it. But I don't love it.

 

- The Blofeld reveal. I think it's nicely handled. But it's unnecessary, as I've said above.

 

 

 

Summary:

 

Even with the problems I listed above, I genuinely enjoy SP for the first 100 minutes. Then I quite like it for the duration of the sequence in Blofeld's lair.

 

The problem is this all goes nowhere. The last act is the biggest anticlimax and the most boring finale in any Bond film, ever. Prior to this, the entire film has been building up to... the most obvious 'revelations' in any film of recent memory.

 

Please, Mr Craig, make one more. Make a proper, honest-to-God thriller. Send yourself off in style - with firm bang, not a whimper.

 

EON, hire a good thriller director. Not a drama auteur who has to prove he's clever.

 

And please, bring back Waltz as Blofeld. Otherwise you'll have wasted him. This story needs finishing.

 

 

SPECTRE: 3 out of 5


Edited by RMc2, 29 February 2016 - 12:25 AM.


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Posted 29 February 2016 - 01:06 AM

That's a really interesting thread. I can't really disagree with anything you've listed there.

 

My only comment would be that I think the final act is at least better than Skyfall's and QOS.

 

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Posted 29 February 2016 - 09:43 AM

That's a really interesting thread. I can't really disagree with anything you've listed there.

 

My only comment would be that I think the final act is at least better than Skyfall's and QOS.

 

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Thank you :)

 

What makes it better than SF and QoS' third acts for you?

 

Although now you mention it, I do recall being underwhelmed by both of them on first viewings. I should do a marathon, for science!



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Posted 29 February 2016 - 02:13 PM

I think everything you say is fair. I enjoyed the movie immensely. The good things are sooooo good that Spectre rockets to the top.

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Posted 29 February 2016 - 10:52 PM

 

That's a really interesting thread. I can't really disagree with anything you've listed there.

 

My only comment would be that I think the final act is at least better than Skyfall's and QOS.

 

______________________________________________________________________________________

 

Thank you :)

 

What makes it better than SF and QoS' third acts for you?

 

Although now you mention it, I do recall being underwhelmed by both of them on first viewings. I should do a marathon, for science!

 

 

QOS's ending is basically Bond fighting the bad guy while the Bond girl fights another bad guy in a burning building.

 

This echoes DAD's exact scenario of Bond vs bad guy and Jinx vs bad guy in a burning plane.

 

Then Skyfall's ending is also in a burning building.

 

So, with SPECTRE, while we have another yet collapsing building (there was also one in CR), we at least get the boat chase and shooting down the helicopter.

 

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Posted 01 March 2016 - 08:49 AM

 

 

That's a really interesting thread. I can't really disagree with anything you've listed there.

 

My only comment would be that I think the final act is at least better than Skyfall's and QOS.

 

______________________________________________________________________________________

 

Thank you :)

 

What makes it better than SF and QoS' third acts for you?

 

Although now you mention it, I do recall being underwhelmed by both of them on first viewings. I should do a marathon, for science!

 

 

QOS's ending is basically Bond fighting the bad guy while the Bond girl fights another bad guy in a burning building.

 

This echoes DAD's exact scenario of Bond vs bad guy and Jinx vs bad guy in a burning plane.

 

Then Skyfall's ending is also in a burning building.

 

So, with SPECTRE, while we have another yet collapsing building (there was also one in CR), we at least get the boat chase and shooting down the helicopter.

 

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I hadn't thought of it like that before. Although I had noticed SP ends with another helicopter crash, like SF :P

 

When I think about it, all the Craig Bonds have been somewhat anticlimactic.Their best action scenes are all near the beginning.

 

But CR and SF have that emotional climax to override the disappointing action climax. And I've always liked QoS' interpretation of the 'Villain's Secret Super Lair' as a luxury hotel in the middle of nowhere, replete with incendiary power cells! SP's ending doesn't satisfy me... Although I do like that he leaves Blofeld alive. That seemed like the right thing to do from the first time I saw it. So SP succeeded there.


Edited by RMc2, 01 March 2016 - 08:50 AM.


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Posted 01 March 2016 - 10:32 AM

 

 

Summary:

 

Even with the problems I listed above, I genuinely enjoy SP for the first 100 minutes. Then I quite like it for the duration of the sequence in Blofeld's lair.

 

The problem is this all goes nowhere. The last act is the biggest anticlimax and the most boring finale in any Bond film, ever. Prior to this, the entire film has been building up to... the most obvious 'revelations' in any film of recent memory.

 

Please, Mr Craig, make one more. Make a proper, honest-to-God thriller. Send yourself off in style - with firm bang, not a whimper.

 

EON, hire a good thriller director. Not a drama auteur who has to prove he's clever.

 

And please, bring back Waltz as Blofeld. Otherwise you'll have wasted him. This story needs finishing.

 

 

SPECTRE: 3 out of 5

 

Couldn't agree more. I really liked SP, and did enjoy watching it. The ending was anti-climatic and don't feel it's a worthy movie for Craig to bow out on. 



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Posted 01 March 2016 - 01:37 PM

An interesting assessment of SPECTRE. Much in it one can agree with.

I do think one problem with the film was the attempt to do two types of Bond movie simultaneously - the classic old style Bond of the mid 60s to mid 70s - and "Skyfall The Sequel". The strains showed at times.

The other was the oft complained about plot idea of Bond and Blofeld's link from the past. The writers and director seemed determined to continue the "what makes Bond tick?" theme from Skyfall and came up with this. It seemed an idea the writers and director didn't want to drop, even though it needn't have been necessary for a Bond -v- Blofeld confrontation.

The "author of all your pain" line could still have been used, in that Blofeld is head of SPECTRE, an organisation Bond learns he has been battling without realising it since the events of CR. It could even have been extended to include Oberhauser - Hannes Oberhauser that is. Blofeld could have been responsible for Hannes death not as the jealous son but as a greedy outsider after a cache of Nazi gold, much like Major Smythe in Octopussy and in one of "life's little coincidences" Bond discovers that the head of SPECTRE financed his life of crime at the outset on the proceeds of loot stolen from a man Bond admired. That could have been worked into the story also. Stretching it a bit, I know, but not quite as unlikely as Bond and the future Blofeld having spent time together as youths and the latter developing a jealousy of Bond and Oberhauser senior so great that he kills his father, changes his name and becomes a super-criminal.

Not that it mattered that much in the end. The whole aspect is treated in an almost offhand way - as if in the end the idea is too deeply embedded in the storyline to ditch but so unlikely that it was best treated as just a passing comment in between drilling into Bond's skull. And on his return to London Bond never once mentions that Franz Oberhauser and Ernst Stavro Blofeld are one and the same person.

SPECTRE remains a highly enjoyable Bond film, imho, but like all of the movies it's not without flaws, as this thread has pointed out.

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Posted 01 March 2016 - 02:55 PM

One thing´s for sure: the story told in SPECTRE will have started with Sam Mendes and Daniel Craig.  They were the ones who had to be pleased, and the personal angle will most certainly have been their wish.

 

I´m looking forward to watching SPECTRE on blu-ray soon, and since it´s been three months since my last viewing in the cinema I´m actually quite keen on it.

 

I also believe that I will like it more then before since

 

a) I will not be surprised anymore by anything in it (as on my first viewing) and therefore will be able to focus on what is there instead of hoping that it will offer something I imagined it would,

 

b ) I will not try to tell me I was prejudiced the first time (as on my second viewing) and therefore will be able to re-watch the film the same way I re-watch all the previous films from time to time,

 

and c) I will only watch the film when I´m absolutely in the mood for it, not because I have to catch a screening at a certain time and scramble about doing my work before.

 

Maybe I will finally be able to appreciate SPECTRE this time  B)



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Posted 01 March 2016 - 10:06 PM

 

 

 

That's a really interesting thread. I can't really disagree with anything you've listed there.

 

My only comment would be that I think the final act is at least better than Skyfall's and QOS.

 

______________________________________________________________________________________

 

Thank you :)

 

What makes it better than SF and QoS' third acts for you?

 

Although now you mention it, I do recall being underwhelmed by both of them on first viewings. I should do a marathon, for science!

 

 

QOS's ending is basically Bond fighting the bad guy while the Bond girl fights another bad guy in a burning building.

 

This echoes DAD's exact scenario of Bond vs bad guy and Jinx vs bad guy in a burning plane.

 

Then Skyfall's ending is also in a burning building.

 

So, with SPECTRE, while we have another yet collapsing building (there was also one in CR), we at least get the boat chase and shooting down the helicopter.

 

_________________________________________________________________________________________

 

 

I hadn't thought of it like that before. Although I had noticed SP ends with another helicopter crash, like SF :P

 

When I think about it, all the Craig Bonds have been somewhat anticlimactic.Their best action scenes are all near the beginning.

 

But CR and SF have that emotional climax to override the disappointing action climax. And I've always liked QoS' interpretation of the 'Villain's Secret Super Lair' as a luxury hotel in the middle of nowhere, replete with incendiary power cells! SP's ending doesn't satisfy me... Although I do like that he leaves Blofeld alive. That seemed like the right thing to do from the first time I saw it. So SP succeeded there.

 

 

Well most of the Bond movies, especially those after the mid-70's, have a spectacular start and a great stunt in the middle but lose their way a little towards the end.

 

The two exceptions (the ones with really exciting finales) are FRWL (the last 35 minutes are amazing), and Octopussy which goes from defusing the bomb, to India, hot air balloon assault, machine gun staircase, followed by horse ride to jump on a plane, to fight on the plane's roof, to hanging off a cliff - breathtaking!

 

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Posted 17 March 2016 - 04:06 PM

 

 

 

 

That's a really interesting thread. I can't really disagree with anything you've listed there.

 

My only comment would be that I think the final act is at least better than Skyfall's and QOS.

 

______________________________________________________________________________________

 

Thank you :)

 

What makes it better than SF and QoS' third acts for you?

 

Although now you mention it, I do recall being underwhelmed by both of them on first viewings. I should do a marathon, for science!

 

 

QOS's ending is basically Bond fighting the bad guy while the Bond girl fights another bad guy in a burning building.

 

This echoes DAD's exact scenario of Bond vs bad guy and Jinx vs bad guy in a burning plane.

 

Then Skyfall's ending is also in a burning building.

 

So, with SPECTRE, while we have another yet collapsing building (there was also one in CR), we at least get the boat chase and shooting down the helicopter.

 

_________________________________________________________________________________________

 

 

I hadn't thought of it like that before. Although I had noticed SP ends with another helicopter crash, like SF :P

 

When I think about it, all the Craig Bonds have been somewhat anticlimactic.Their best action scenes are all near the beginning.

 

But CR and SF have that emotional climax to override the disappointing action climax. And I've always liked QoS' interpretation of the 'Villain's Secret Super Lair' as a luxury hotel in the middle of nowhere, replete with incendiary power cells! SP's ending doesn't satisfy me... Although I do like that he leaves Blofeld alive. That seemed like the right thing to do from the first time I saw it. So SP succeeded there.

 

 

Well most of the Bond movies, especially those after the mid-70's, have a spectacular start and a great stunt in the middle but lose their way a little towards the end.

 

The two exceptions (the ones with really exciting finales) are FRWL (the last 35 minutes are amazing), and Octopussy which goes from defusing the bomb, to India, hot air balloon assault, machine gun staircase, followed by horse ride to jump on a plane, to fight on the plane's roof, to hanging off a cliff - breathtaking!

 

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That's an interesting point. The common link would seem to be Michael G. Wilson. I wonder how much he's steered the franchise's action and tone (given he wrote Licence To Kill)?



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Posted 18 March 2016 - 11:19 PM

Octopussy does have a fairly exciting final act. The plane stunt work is fantastic.

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 12:55 AM

Octopussy does have a fairly exciting final act. The plane stunt work is fantastic.

I agree, and while I've grown to like AVTAK over the years, Octopussy would've been a perfect swan song for Moore. Going off into the sunset. 



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Posted 20 March 2016 - 10:01 PM

 

Octopussy does have a fairly exciting final act. The plane stunt work is fantastic.

I agree, and while I've grown to like AVTAK over the years, Octopussy would've been a perfect swan song for Moore. Going off into the sunset. 

 

 

Rather than in the shower with a bimbo while Q is a peeping tom?

 

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 10:36 AM

Hehe I must rewatch Octopussy soon. I admit I'm snobby about the Glen/80s era Bond. It really was the worst decade for Bond.

 

And that's despite FYEO and TLD being two of my personal favourites. They're still deeply flawed...



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Posted 28 April 2016 - 10:38 AM

The 80´s are the worst decade for Bond?

 

Despite my love for Pierce Brosnan, the 90´s take that crown!



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Posted 28 April 2016 - 11:29 AM

Sorry will have to disagree - I thoroughly enjoyed the 90s Bond era, and it could be argued that without GoldenEye we might not have seen the franchise reignite to what it is today after the Dalton era hiatus.  



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Posted 28 April 2016 - 01:38 PM

Yes, yes, true.

 

But the 90´s era wouldn´t have existed without the highly successful 80´s era either  :P

 

And Glen, while not a stylist, knew how to do classic Bond - fast and efficient.  Some directors of the later films could and should have learned from him.



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Posted 28 April 2016 - 01:59 PM

I have nothing against the 80s Bond era and will always praise the predecessor for what Bond is today  ;) However, 6 years is a long time between era's and I think Brosnan and the GoldenEye team had a lot of pressure riding on them to secure the continuation of the series. 



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Posted 28 April 2016 - 03:21 PM

Absolutely. GOLDENEYE's success was by no means a given. They had only Q as familiar face left on screen, they had a changed chemistry between Bond and M as well as between Bond and Moneypenny, they had a different kind of villain from within and they started the tradition of the 'retro' element with the DB5 to tie it to the classics. It could just as well have bombed and the next we would have heard of 007 would have been a made-for-TV miniseries of the late 1990s.

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 04:23 PM

Shocking idea - but I´m afraid you´re very right.

 

During that time my own passion for the series had ended.  I thought that LTK really was the last Bond film - and that the whole thing was a thing of the past.

 

GOLDENEYE jumpstarted it all for me again.

 

As I hope that any future incarnation will be able to, even if or when the Craig era is finished and another hiatus keeps Bond from the screen for far too long.



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Posted 29 April 2016 - 05:16 AM

I have nothing against the 80s Bond era and will always praise the predecessor for what Bond is today  ;) However, 6 years is a long time between era's and I think Brosnan and the GoldenEye team had a lot of pressure riding on them to secure the continuation of the series.

I would say Goldeneye, Casino Royale and Skyfall are the most important Bond films in recent memory. Skyfall because it got the Craig era back on track after the divisive QoS.

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Posted 29 April 2016 - 05:36 AM

 

I have nothing against the 80s Bond era and will always praise the predecessor for what Bond is today  ;) However, 6 years is a long time between era's and I think Brosnan and the GoldenEye team had a lot of pressure riding on them to secure the continuation of the series.

I would say Goldeneye, Casino Royale and Skyfall are the most important Bond films in recent memory. Skyfall because it got the Craig era back on track after the divisive QoS.

 

 

Would agree with you there. Maybe we should have Martin Campbell back...



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Posted 02 May 2016 - 11:07 AM

 

 

I have nothing against the 80s Bond era and will always praise the predecessor for what Bond is today  ;) However, 6 years is a long time between era's and I think Brosnan and the GoldenEye team had a lot of pressure riding on them to secure the continuation of the series.

I would say Goldeneye, Casino Royale and Skyfall are the most important Bond films in recent memory. Skyfall because it got the Craig era back on track after the divisive QoS.

 

 

Would agree with you there. Maybe we should have Martin Campbell back...

 

 

Agree! But I worry that, at this stage in his career, it would only give Campbell a chance to ruin his excellent Bond record...



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Posted 02 May 2016 - 09:19 PM

The 80´s are the worst decade for Bond?

 

Despite my love for Pierce Brosnan, the 90´s take that crown!

 

Indeed. I love every '80s Bond film with the exception of AVTAK.



#26 tdalton

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Posted 03 May 2016 - 01:26 AM

 

The 80´s are the worst decade for Bond?

 

Despite my love for Pierce Brosnan, the 90´s take that crown!

 

Indeed. I love every '80s Bond film with the exception of AVTAK.

 

 

Agreed.  

 

No way that the 80s are the worst decade.  I think a case can certainly be made for the 70s and the 90s.  A very strong case will also be able to be made for the 2010s if this distributor thing gets dragged out and we don't get another Bond film until 2020.  If that's the case, then this decade will be easily be the worst.  Only two films released, one of which is by far the worst in the franchise.



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Posted 03 May 2016 - 01:59 AM

Ha! Crazy talk. 80's was the worst! Hands down!

Edited by Hockey Mask, 03 May 2016 - 02:05 AM.


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Posted 03 May 2016 - 03:18 AM

The 80s gave us six Bond movies, including NSNA.  Connery, Moore, Dalton.  FYEO and TLD are very good Bond movies.  LTK is my favorite, albeit a little polarizing.  OP has its charms too.  AVTAK is the only subpar Bond of the decade, but it still has John Barry and the Duran Duran title tune.  Can SPECTRE say that?  No!

 

Plus it was the last decade where we got a Bond movie every 2 years. No six, three  or four year gaps.  Every.  Two.  Years.

 

I'd gladly exchange 90s and 2000s Bond for the steady diet of Bond we got back then.



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Posted 03 May 2016 - 07:55 AM

The time we have to wait nowadays is tasking.



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Posted 03 May 2016 - 09:53 AM

Truth is, since the 60s EON haven't managed to make a really good film unless they've taken a break of 3+ years between films. SP & DUD are the exceptions to that: films that really weren't worth the wait.

 

There's a certain charm to the 'every 2 years' output that excuses the fact EON tend to make subpar films when they do that. Like a Saturday matinee - it doesn't matter if it's just okay, because you know the next one will be along soon.

 

But that doesn't avoid the fact the films aren't great. I like FYEO and TLD a lot, but they're good, not really good, and for my money they're the best of the 80s. So yeah, the 80s was the worst decade for Bond...