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#1 coco1997

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Posted 14 February 2016 - 12:40 AM

The end of DC as Bond?

 

http://collider.com/...eries-showtime/



#2 JohnnyWalker

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Posted 14 February 2016 - 01:46 AM

No, of course not.

#3 Gobi-1

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Posted 14 February 2016 - 01:51 AM

I hope not.

 

Since it's a limited series it could be twenty episodes and done. If Bond 25 is scheduled for a 2018 release date Craig could easily film two 10 episode seasons of a tv series before jumping back into Bond.  Could even do it before the end of the year if Bond 25 is a late 2017 release, although it would be fairly grueling.

 

We'll just have to wait and see.



#4 Matt_13

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Posted 14 February 2016 - 02:22 AM

I doubt we'll see Craig as Bond until late 2018 at the earliest, but I have little doubt that he will be back for one more.

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Posted 14 February 2016 - 02:43 AM

I doubt we'll see Craig as Bond until late 2018 at the earliest, but I have little doubt that he will be back for one more.

That's what I think as well. 



#6 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 14 February 2016 - 09:16 AM

The time he is needed to shoot this limited series would in no way be a scheduling problem for the next Bond film, whether that arrives in 2017 or 2018.

 

The question however remains: does Craig want to return to Bond?  Getting a major part in a Scott Rubin-produced adaptation of a Jonathan Frantzen novel does hint at his urge to do character roles in "serious" films.  He certainly does not need more money - so he does not need Bond anymore.

 

And one might also argue that it would be better for him to quit while he´s ahead and not wait for the media (and audiences) to turn against him because he has become too old for Bond or simply - in these days of constant hunger for the next thrill - because he does not have the exciting novelty factor anymore.

 

Let´s face it: another Bond film with Daniel Craig in about three years would not generate excitement anymore.  It is probably time for a change. 



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Posted 14 February 2016 - 02:01 PM

Let´s face it: another Bond film with Daniel Craig in about three years would not generate excitement anymore.  It is probably time for a change. 

It may not generate the media buzz of a new actor, but it does promote audience confidence that at least one aspect of a new Bond movie will be excellent - the man playing Bond. To my mind that counts for more than the brief buzz of re-casting followed by the tense wait to see if the audience take to him. Studios don't like to gamble if there's already a sure bet.

 

As for the 20 eps... Though it's not yet clear how many Showtime agreed to, it can't have hurt Rudin's case to have James Bond as their lead. Of course Craig himself may have demanding fewer eps if he's intending to do Bond 25 (seems a very full diary to do 20 eps and then Bond). Then again he may have demanded Eon wait for him to shoot the 20 and then have a break before Bond. I think that, withing reason, they'd probably play ball with Craig.

 

I wonder what led Rudin to Craig?  They say they haven't a director for Purity yet and Collider's story asks if they'll go the 'one director for the whole series' route (not only Sodenberg's The Knick, but more so True Detective 1 vs True Detective 2 proves the merit in this). I wonder if a certain Craig collaborating Director may already be in talks?  

 

I know Mendes wants to do more theatre, but he's done well producing Penny Dreadful and may fancy a stab at Directing a series a la Sodenberg and brought Craig into the fold.



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Posted 14 February 2016 - 07:14 PM

I love how all of the movie news outlets give emphasis to Craig's comments about rather slashing his wrists than doing another Bond film.



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Posted 14 February 2016 - 07:47 PM

The end of DC as Bond?

 

Hopefully.

 

It would be nice to have an actor in the role again who appreciates the opportunity he has rather than complaining about how hard it is to make millions of dollars playing a role that just about every man on the face of the earth would give anything to play.  

 

After his performance in Spectre, which was very reminiscent of Connery in You Only Live Twice, it's time for a change.



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Posted 14 February 2016 - 11:46 PM

I think Craig will be back as Bond, just not that soon. These days any actors don't want to be known for just one role and then not much of other projects for them to make. That seem to be the case for Roger Moore when he was Bond. Most Actors want to be like Harrison Ford, who did a lot roles of famous fictional characters and is not known for only one role. Where he still gets other type roles, where the character is only played once.


Edited by Syndicate, 15 February 2016 - 01:23 AM.


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Posted 15 February 2016 - 12:34 AM

About time IMO. Craig is in need of some sreen time. He's in nothing.



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Posted 15 February 2016 - 09:19 AM

http://www.dailymail...James-Bond.html Not my usual haunt for 'breaking news' but did think DM's take on this story was worth a share. If not for anything else but laughs!



#13 Guy Haines

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Posted 15 February 2016 - 09:28 AM

http://www.dailymail...James-Bond.html Not my usual haunt for 'breaking news' but did think DM's take on this story was worth a share. If not for anything else but laughs!


The media - well some of it - is almost wishing Daniel Craig to quit so that they can start the "next Bond" merry-go-round. As I see it, involvement in a TV series needn't preclude a return to Bond by say, 2018, which always seemed to me the more realistic option for a Bond 25 release year.

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Posted 15 February 2016 - 09:56 AM

I hope he hasn't really quit! There's plenty of time for him to shoot a pilot series before making the next Bond. Then he can return to the show, if it gets renewed.

 

If he has quit: let's hope he does a Connery and 'reluctantly' sticks around.



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Posted 15 February 2016 - 09:56 AM

 

http://www.dailymail...James-Bond.html Not my usual haunt for 'breaking news' but did think DM's take on this story was worth a share. If not for anything else but laughs!


The media - well some of it - is almost wishing Daniel Craig to quit so that they can start the "next Bond" merry-go-round. As I see it, involvement in a TV series needn't preclude a return to Bond by say, 2018, which always seemed to me the more realistic option for a Bond 25 release year.

 

 

I agree entirely. I think the Bond role is a job Craig loves to hate, and would like some downtime to explore other options... but I refuse to believe he is done with Bond right now. 



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Posted 15 February 2016 - 10:17 AM

Well let the speculation begin! I agree with the poster that said that the media is almost wishing that he's quitting so they can start the frenzy of "who's going to be the next 007". They love stuff like that, so they're going to start feeding the public with their nonsense.

 

If he quits it's ok for me, if he stays for another one it's ok too I guess.

 

let's wait for an official announcement from Eon. 



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Posted 15 February 2016 - 10:20 AM

My initial panic is subsiding: reading a few more reports, it looks like they're just shopping around for one 20-episode series. No hint of it going beyond that yet.

 

So yeah, assuming it gets made, there's little to suggest he's quitting Bond except for the usual tabloid nonsense.



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Posted 15 February 2016 - 12:50 PM

Well if there's to be a new Bond soon, I hope EON map out a story arc for him first of all instead of making it up as they go along!

 

I've only seen Spectre once, but all that backlash from the US press and reactions I've seen since, that third act was a real misstep. They had a chance to tie up all of Craig's films really nicely, but it just amounted to nothing really.



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Posted 15 February 2016 - 03:57 PM

So Craig is taking a non-Bond job ?  So what ?  He generally DOES OTHER PREFORMANCES between the films, even long-running lays !  A 20-epi limited show ?  So what ?  That is like making a movie, maybe 1.5 to 2.  It does not mean he won't, or will, return as 007.

 

How to bring Craig back, bring Lea Seydoux as Madeline Swann back without killing her off -- which would be awfully similar to the CR storyline -- and address the improbabilities of the finale ?  Even for a Bond film, shooting down a helicopter with a pistol was quite improbable.  Finding Ms. Swann at just the right place was not so improbble -- Blofeld WANTED Bond to find her and wallow in misery even more.

 

And-- how to use YOLT novel elements ?

 

The following has its own problems since it borrows heavily from the film Brazil AND it cheats the audience in a Dallas-last-season-wasted-your-time-it-was-all-a-dream way:  AND this also allows bringing in some Colonel Sun if they want -- already done in the torture scene but could borrow more:

   Bond passed out under torture and the escape and London scenes were fantasy in his mind.

  He comes to at Blofeld's lair...Swann still is alive and can be rescued for real -- but it will require a choice:  kill Blofeld and lose her, or save her and Blofeld gets away.  Since this is Blofeld, you'd not want to use him on merely 1 or even 2 films.



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Posted 15 February 2016 - 04:29 PM

So Craig is taking a non-Bond job ?  So what ?  He generally DOES OTHER PREFORMANCES between the films, even long-running lays !  A 20-epi limited show ?  So what ?  That is like making a movie, maybe 1.5 to 2.  It does not mean he won't, or will, return as 007.

How dare you use logic on the internet.



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Posted 15 February 2016 - 05:06 PM

A 20-epi limited show ?  So what ?  That is like making a movie, maybe 1.5 to 2.  It does not mean he won't, or will, return as 007.

 

It really doesn´t mean that.  However, 20 episodes is not like making one or two movies.  Considering that one episode for cable tv is between 40 and 50 minutes - well, you do the math.  If both seasons are filmed back to back (as such endeavours mostly are), this will eat up one year, maybe two.  Compare it with the work for David Lynch´s "Twin Peaks"-revival.

 

It all depends, of course, on how big Craig´s role would be.  But I do believe he would not want to be just a tiny supporting player in this.  It surely is meant to reposition him as a dramatic actor, away from Bond.

 


 

One thing is for sure: if Craig returns for Bond it will rather be later than sooner.  He would definitely want to have some time between this series and the next Bond film (for which he would have to physically prepare as well).

 



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Posted 15 February 2016 - 07:35 PM

LOL you're such a Negative Nancy TD! I agree about the public complaining though...As for TV, it's a limited series and TV is not the ghetto of Hollywood that it used to be. It's actually surpassed the cinema in terms of writing, dialogue and as a complex storytelling platform. I'm more looking forward to Daredevil than any of the remaining superhero movies on the way...



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Posted 16 February 2016 - 04:49 AM

Daniel Craig is my favorite actor ever, but he was born to play James Bond. I would sincerely hate to see him leave the role before his time. I read a reliable article just a while ago on another site, and Craig's agents evidently contacted people putting out articles that he is "done" with Bond for Purity; saying that he is undecided. It appears that he genuinely doesn't know, or hasn't committed for 25. If he comes back for 25, my guess is that it will be a long wait, probably 2019, maybe 2020. Purity and other endeavors, plus a break, tie him up for a couple of years, then at least 2 years (probably 3) to finish 25. The new distributor will obviously have a say in who stars in Bond 25. From what I've read, the script is being made for Craig, but he wants a strong script (arguably unlike Spectre), my instinct is that he was not satisfied with Spectre, hence the wrist comments i.e. Just my opinion. He wants a Casino Royale, or Skyfall that will further the role and allow him to use his acting chops. I hate the 3 or 4 year gaps between Bond films, that's too long in my view. I love the two year schedule. We need some new blood writing and directing, and going back to the razor sharp and gritty version of Fleming; such as Casino Royale. The classic almost Mooreish tone of Spectre is as classic as I'm willing to go. Craig could pull it off, and give it credibility, but he may be the only one. I think "theme" and "identity" is key to moving Bond forward. If it takes four years to keep Craig, I'm all in, but I would much rather have a Bond every 2 years. To summarize: I think he comes back, but it will be 2019 or 20. We'll probably know by the end of the year.



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Posted 16 February 2016 - 07:05 AM

Which reliable article was that?  Please supply more info on that!



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Posted 16 February 2016 - 08:05 AM

Gets my back up this news does - the media hounds all sniffing around and already making headline news about how Craig has quit because he hates the role making him out to be the bad guy, and who is to play Bond next. Tom Hardy is the front runner.

 

Shows how much they know about casting 007.

 

This is when I hate journalism and how, well, blind it is leading millions of viewers/readers into something that just isn't true or hasn't officially been confirmed by the parties involved.



#26 sharpshooter

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Posted 16 February 2016 - 08:11 AM

Gets my back up this news does - the media hounds all sniffing around and already making headline news about how Craig has quit because he hates the role making him out to be the bad guy, and who is to play Bond next. Tom Hardy is the front runner.

The truth doesn't matter to them because they love a frenzy. This really means nothing to me. I'm quietly confident Craig will be back for one last movie and will then hand over the reigns to Bond #7.



#27 Surrie

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Posted 16 February 2016 - 10:25 AM

 

Gets my back up this news does - the media hounds all sniffing around and already making headline news about how Craig has quit because he hates the role making him out to be the bad guy, and who is to play Bond next. Tom Hardy is the front runner.

The truth doesn't matter to them because they love a frenzy. This really means nothing to me. I'm quietly confident Craig will be back for one last movie and will then hand over the reigns to Bond #7.

 

 

Tom Hardy would have perhaps been in contention at the time Craig was, but now that ship has sailed. I try to stay away from reading the media babble surrounding Bond, but obviously, I'm unable to help myself. It is frustrating when colleagues or friends who don't understand Bond like we do try to engage... "Have you heard DC is leaving Bond?!" as if it's biblical! I usually just sigh and move on, but what I really want to do is rant. 



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Posted 16 February 2016 - 10:30 AM

Daniel Craig is my favorite actor ever, but he was born to play James Bond. I would sincerely hate to see him leave the role before his time. I read a reliable article just a while ago on another site, and Craig's agents evidently contacted people putting out articles that he is "done" with Bond for Purity; saying that he is undecided. It appears that he genuinely doesn't know, or hasn't committed for 25. If he comes back for 25, my guess is that it will be a long wait, probably 2019, maybe 2020. Purity and other endeavors, plus a break, tie him up for a couple of years, then at least 2 years (probably 3) to finish 25. The new distributor will obviously have a say in who stars in Bond 25. From what I've read, the script is being made for Craig, but he wants a strong script (arguably unlike Spectre), my instinct is that he was not satisfied with Spectre, hence the wrist comments i.e. Just my opinion. He wants a Casino Royale, or Skyfall that will further the role and allow him to use his acting chops. I hate the 3 or 4 year gaps between Bond films, that's too long in my view. I love the two year schedule. We need some new blood writing and directing, and going back to the razor sharp and gritty version of Fleming; such as Casino Royale. The classic almost Mooreish tone of Spectre is as classic as I'm willing to go. Craig could pull it off, and give it credibility, but he may be the only one. I think "theme" and "identity" is key to moving Bond forward. If it takes four years to keep Craig, I'm all in, but I would much rather have a Bond every 2 years. To summarize: I think he comes back, but it will be 2019 or 20. We'll probably know by the end of the year.

 

I hope it won't be that long a wait! I wouldn't mind a return to the 2-year breaks, but 3 years is fine and would probably produce better films.

 

[However, all the post-SF "it's worth waiting for the script!" fans can eat their hats.]

 

I'm willing to wait for another (final) Craig Bond. Especially if it opens the door for Christopher Nolan to send Craig off ;)



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Posted 16 February 2016 - 10:52 AM

I wonder what the big send-off for Craig actually would present us with.

 

He has established Bond as a tough-as-nails, arrogant rookie who got his heart broken and became bitter.  He came back from the dead, was considered too old to get back in the service, showed emotion over the death of his surrogate mother.  He delivered more humour in SPECTRE and got to go away with a new love.

 

What else is there for him to show?

 

I believe Craig knows that he has given all he can to this role.  Would another film featuring Craig getting his heart broken, going rogue, avenging his lover or smirking at Q really be what the series needs now?  

 

IMO, it would be just more of the same.

 

My take: the end of SPECTRE has Craig-Bond really end his arc.  He has made peace with his past and with himself.  He can ride into the sunset with a new love.  Let´s not tarnish this with another fall back to an angry Bond who learns to live with himself at the end of BOND 25.

 

Instead, let a new actor rejuvenate the role.  Bring in a whole new team (including M, Q and Moneypenny) and start a new arc (laid out before filming these films).



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Posted 16 February 2016 - 12:42 PM

Instead, let a new actor rejuvenate the role.  Bring in a whole new team (including M, Q and Moneypenny) and start a new arc (laid out before filming these films).

 

I've seen this suggestion put forth numerous times before (on these forums and others), and I have to question the need for a complete overhaul of the MI6 team. 

 

Do you really want to get rid of Fiennes, Harris, and Whishaw all at once? Just two films after being reintroduced? Especially after both Fiennes and Harris were "revealed" as their respective characters at the end of Skyfall, leaving them with just SPECTRE in their traditional roles? 

 

Why would the end of the Craig era mean a complete turnover of the MI6 regulars?

 

Is it because we are so continuity heavy these days that recasting one role (Bond) necessitates recasting all of them?

 

Is it because many fans want another reboot?

 

Is it because some people cannot fathom a "new arc" with the same team?

 

Is it because of some deep-seated disappointment with SPECTRE?

 

Is it because of a fear that with such "name" actors (particularly Fiennes), the only way forward would be to continue with such large supporting roles (a la Dench), whereas most fans would prefer to return to the days of Lee and Maxwell when the MI6 staff was not so integral to the plot? (I agree with this last desire, although it is worth pointing out that M and Moneypenny globe trotted around with Moore quite a bit). 

 

Is it something else?

 

I do not mean to come across as belligerent, I am genuinely curious as to why so many fans seem to want a fresh start with the MI6 team, especially as they have only just begun their tenures (as opposed to, say, Lee, Maxwell, and particularly Llewelyn, each of whom had inhabited their respective roles for years).

 

I was watching SPECTRE with my wife last night, and she observed that Whishaw's Q was her favorite character of the whole series. When I tried to explain to her that Llewelyn was the true legend behind the character, she remained adamant. While I may have been mortified at the time (particularly as she had seen Llewelyn in the role at least eight times), it did get me thinking: all three of the newcomers have really made the roles their own, bringing a fresh perspective to characters who had (let's be honest here) become somewhat stale over the decades.

 

I can see why fans may not have taken so well to Caroline Bliss or John Cleese, but with the new team (particularly Whishaw), EON have really struck gold. Not to mention that EON sort of went out of their way to reintroduce these characters (particularly M and Moneypenny) in epic fashion in Skyfall. 

 

So I ask you, SAF (and anyone else who feels like chiming in), why do you want a new MI6 team once Craig leaves the role? Why not continue the traditional method of trying to maintain stability and familiarity when the need for a new Bond arises? (as was the case with Lee, Maxwell, and Llewelyn, who were the mainstays of the Connery, Lazenby, and Moore eras)