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Where do you want the movie series to go after SPECTRE?


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#1 JSDude1

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Posted 11 November 2015 - 05:44 AM

Several choices that I could get behind, and few that I don't want.

 

I could live with them A) Doing a period piece one off (possibly using some of Fleming's unused material a little more freely. 

 

B)  Bringing Bond (with Craig) and Madeline Swan back like James and Tracy Bond, (obviously his little family being killed by Blofeld or another baddie)

 

c)  A new person of James Bond that ignores most of the last few James Bond movies (but doesn't erase their continuity, does keep others established in the Craig era with the same actors in roles such as M, Q, Moneypenny,  Felix, etc..).

 

D) Bring back Pierce Brosnan, just kidding..

 

What I don't want:

 

E) Another reboot.

 

F) A complete remake of a previous James Bond Movie (or one that uses the same title, but with the Fleming material carried out more faithfully).  If they have to use his material more faithfully in a movie that had previously only used the "title" as that, at least rename the novel/short story.

 

 



#2 S K Y F A L L

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Posted 11 November 2015 - 05:47 AM

Everyone returns for Bond 25 in 2017. Craig does 5 or 7 but 6 does not work for me.



#3 tdalton

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Posted 11 November 2015 - 06:01 AM

I haven't seen SPECTRE, but I unfortunately know enough about how they've ended the film to, I think, be able to weigh in on this.

I think that if the decision was up to me, I'd be in favor of a complete reset of everything. I wouldn't reboot the series back to rookie Bond, but I'd completely clean house, with a total sweep of the principal creative team. New writers first and foremost, a new director (although Mendes has already taken care of that with his comments, I think), new composer, etc. It's time for a fresh start to things, something we should have gotten with the reboot instead of the Brosnan Era holdover, and by going that route it would probably make sense to go ahead and introduce a new actor alongside that.

If Craig does return, then I think I'd favor the option of filming You Only Live Twice. I also know I'll be shouted down for this opinion, but I'd go ahead and title it You Only Live Twice. It of course wouldn't be an outright remake of EON's earlier film, but an updated adaptation of the novel, but I think it's better to have that title attached to it rather than an incredibly bad and weak title like Shatterhand.

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Posted 11 November 2015 - 09:10 AM

I agree with you, that a shake-up is needed. Mendes, Logan, Lee Smith and Thomas Newman all have to go. I loved their work on Skyfall, especially Newman's score, but with Spectre they all seemed bored by the whole thing. Newman's score, in particular, was incredibly lazy and reminiscent of Hans Zimmer just reusing the same music for all of his scores.

 

I wouldn't mind an adaptation of You Only Live Twice. I would be interested to see how they would adapt the Castle of Death. What I don't want to see is Swann being killed as motivation for Bond. That's been done before (several times in fact, not just counting Vesper and Tracy). I'd rather see her break Bond's heart by telling him that she doesn't want this life and that he chose his job over her.

 

There are good ways to go following Spectre. However, like the London finale and Blofeld's backstory, I'm sure EON already have an idea of what they want to do and won't change it no matter how poorly it translates to script and screen.



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Posted 11 November 2015 - 09:31 AM

I definitely want BOND 25 to

 

- explore Blofeld further

 

- give Craig that OHMSS scene

 

- adapt the "Garden of Death"-scenario and combine it with a new Spectre-plot that is absolutely chilling and original

 

- go to Japan and film it in all its colourful beauty

 

 

Mendes and his team coming back?  I´m cool with that.  He definitely earned my good will despite some problems with SPECTRE.

 

But if another director takes over: please don´t leave all the threads hanging if Craig comes back.



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Posted 11 November 2015 - 09:50 AM

Agree with many of these ideas. I definitely don't think Madeleine should die. It's too obvious and predictable.

I'm toying with alternative ideas of how to spilt her from Bond. One thought: Blofeld could play upon a remaining link to Mr White to blackmail her, and make her act against Bond. The issue with that would be the similarity to Vesper, I guess.

#7 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 11 November 2015 - 10:32 AM

Right.  Maybe Bond just comes back - and tells no one what happened to Madeleine.  Because that will always remain his secret.  He has set her up with a new identity and given her a new life, something he is unable to have.  But she is the one he really was able to save.  And that is enough for him.

 

Maybe a small scene at the end could be added in which we see Madeleine in her new life, reading about a crises that was averted by Bond (maybe even destroying the Spectre network).  And she knows it was him and it was right to let him go.



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Posted 11 November 2015 - 10:38 AM

Like Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol ;)



#9 seawolfnyy

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Posted 11 November 2015 - 10:49 AM

Like Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol ;)

Exactly what I thought too, lol.

 

Personally, I like the idea of Bond being forced to break Madeleine's trust and Madeleine coldly leaving him.



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Posted 11 November 2015 - 12:21 PM

The villain's escape would be enough to lure Bond back.  Let Madeleine enjoy her life, like the Moonraker novel's Gala Brand when she sends Bond a Christmas card.



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Posted 11 November 2015 - 01:26 PM

If Craig does return, then I think I'd favor the option of filming You Only Live Twice. I also know I'll be shouted down for this opinion, but I'd go ahead and title it You Only Live Twice. It of course wouldn't be an outright remake of EON's earlier film, but an updated adaptation of the novel, but I think it's better to have that title attached to it rather than an incredibly bad and weak title like Shatterhand.

 

Alright TD, how loudly can I shout!    :)

 

For pretty much all of us, YOLT is the one novel that sits there waiting to be found, like some lost King Solomon's Mine. For me the question would be in how it's done. So many of us (not me, but I think even my patience might be stretched if the series went there so soon) have an issue with the "This time it's personal" thing, so the challenge would be how to get Bond to the Bond of YOLT - I think the novel works so well because of Bond's state of mind, post-OHMSS.

 

So how would one kick it off? I'm not sure how another "revenge/avenge" motivation would fly for so many. I think it would be a great challenge for the current actor to play a Bond who has the tables turned on him by discovering midway that he is in fact on the trail of his nemesis.

 

I'm just a little nervous on the back of SP, and YOLT is too good to not get right. I know many don't like the CR source to screen (though IMHO I don't think they did a bad job considering the 50 year gap from page to screen) and I think YOLT would be an equal challenge.



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Posted 11 November 2015 - 01:34 PM

If Craig does return, then I think I'd favor the option of filming You Only Live Twice. I also know I'll be shouted down for this opinion, but I'd go ahead and title it You Only Live Twice. It of course wouldn't be an outright remake of EON's earlier film, but an updated adaptation of the novel, but I think it's better to have that title attached to it rather than an incredibly bad and weak title like Shatterhand.

 
Alright TD, how loudly can I shout!    :)
 
For pretty much all of us, YOLT is the one novel that sits there waiting to be found, like some lost King Solomon's Mine. For me the question would be in how it's done. So many of us (not me, but I think even my patience might be stretched if the series went there so soon) have an issue with the "This time it's personal" thing, so the challenge would be how to get Bond to the Bond of YOLT - I think the novel works so well because of Bond's state of mind, post-OHMSS.
 
So how would one kick it off? I'm not sure how another "revenge/avenge" motivation would fly for so many. I think it would be a great challenge for the current actor to play a Bond who has the tables turned on him by discovering midway that he is in fact on the trail of his nemesis.
 
I'm just a little nervous on the back of SP, and YOLT is too good to not get right. I know many don't like the CR source to screen (though IMHO I don't think they did a bad job considering the 50 year gap from page to screen) and I think YOLT would be an equal challenge.

I think we could see the final parts of YOLT in the next movie - it would be a fitting end to Craig's run if he had to finally face down Blofeld and finish him off, however the scenario is arrived at.

I'm not sure the film makers would re-use the original title though - they've shown no inclination to do this with any Bond titles so far. My guess though is that a similar title or something derived from the novel might be used. Not necessarily "Shatterhand", though I wouldn't rule it out, but if I were consdiering it now I might go for either the title of chapter seven - "The Death Collector" (even though it runs the risk of smart alecs calling it "The Debt Collector") or from the haiku poem Bond pens "Look Death In The Face".

But we're a long way off from this - it could be something completely different in the end.

#13 tdalton

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Posted 11 November 2015 - 02:52 PM

My feeling is that the Craig films have already been heavily steeped in the whole personal/revenge motif, so regardless of whatever it is that they do with the next one, that kind of angle will probably feature heavily, whether it's YOLT or something else entirely.

While I liked Craig's first two entries, the Mendes films have soured me on the era to the point that I'm ready to turn the page and start fresh with a new Bond. Even without having seen SPECTRE, I know enough about it, thanks to having many of the key plot points revealed to me in recent days, that I know that, regardless of how I ultimately feel about the actual finished product, I'm not particularly eager to see them continue down that storyline with the next film. They've already stolen a major, major plot point from the Austin Powers films, and from there I just can't get excited about anything the current creative regime has up their sleeves.

My biggest fear for the franchise, though, is that if they don't get to YOLT now, that we might not get it. I can't see them opting to do the whole OHMSS-type thing that they've set up with SPECTRE again anytime soon, certainly not for the next Bond and I'd wonder if they'd be willing to do it for Bond #8 either, since it looks like we're reaching that pivot point where they'll almost be forced to get away from the personal/revenge plots in order to successfully course correct the franchise in much the same way that For Your Eyes Only and Casino Royale corrected things before.

With a new creative team behind the camera, I think I'd have faith in Craig to get a proper You Only Live Twice done. They're going to have to do something personal to Bond in order to pull him back in for Bond 25 anyway, so why not You Only Live Twice, setting the film up with a pre-title sequence that echoes Peter Hunt's original vision for the follow-up to On Her Majesty's Secret Service, saving that film's ending for the pre-titles of the next one to set up the revenge film that would follow. From there, they could do a proper adaptation of the novel (hopefully one that's better than their attempt to adapt Fleming's Casino Royale, which I find to be a good film on its own but lacking as an adaptation), end things with Craig's Bond having amnesia and basically riding off into the sunset as a new man, wiping the slate clean for the next guy.

#14 coco1997

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Posted 11 November 2015 - 03:26 PM

I've noticed a similar pattern between the Craig films and the Moore films thus far.

 

LALD/CR: Largely considered a classic film but not the respective actor's best performance
 

TMWTGG/QOS: Largely considered a huge disappointment, especially following the success of the previous film

 

TSWLM/SF: After a longer than usual lapse between films, the third film is a massive box office hit, largely considered an instant classic and the respective actor's defining performance as Bond.

 

MR/SP: Basically the previous film on steroids. Makes a ton of money but largely considered inferior to the previous film.

 

FYEO was a relative return to form for the series and gave us a more plot-driven, intimate film. I hope we get the same with BOND 25. If it brings closure to the Madeleine/Blofeld storyline, this would be a great point for Craig to bow out gracefully from the series.



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Posted 11 November 2015 - 11:46 PM

tdalton: How haven't you seen it yet?

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Posted 11 November 2015 - 11:51 PM

Very easily. I've chosen not to go see it. I've only been two the theater twice since Quantum of Solace was released seven years ago.

I'll see it probably later this month or the first week of December, but I absolutely refuse to go when films are early in their theatrical runs. I'm not paying $12 a ticket plus another $5+ for a drink only to have to listen to someone talk through the film while another jerk plays with his cell phone for the entire thing. Not worth the time or the effort, especially when the reviews from both critics and Bond fans alike have been abysmal.

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 12:03 AM

Boy, I don't have that in me. The prices are higher. The jerks are jerkier. If I miss something I just go back and see it again.

By the way...I thought the movie was great.

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 12:12 AM

make Bond 25 a direct sequel with a much more realized Blofeld.

 

Bring back all relevant MI6 cast members

 

Bring back Madeline swan. Marry her to 007. She will likely die or divorce him(I don't want him cheating on her so their love has to be short ah al OHMSS)

 

Hire… GEORGE MILLER to direct!  B)

 

Film in Australia(to entice Mr Miller), Japan, Argentina, Antarctica(Blofeld's new evil lair) and London.



#19 DamnCoffee

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 12:18 AM

Part of me really wants them to introduce / reindtroduce in some cases, some of the 'main players', but more akin to their novel counterparts. Especially the big bads like Mr Big, Rosa Klebb, The Spang Brothers, Dr No, Hugo Drax. It could be a great twist too, if they did some kind of adaptadion of Diamonds Are Forever (SPECTRE-ville, New York etc) and have ABC be revealed as Blofeld (which I don't think was the case in the novel but if needs be, I really don't mind them using some of the classic characters if they remain rather close to the source material but in an updated environment. Imagine Blofeld, Dr No, Goldfinger, Largo, Klebb and Bunt in one big SPECTRE meeting (alright a tiny bit excessive) but I'm up for novel adapdations more so than remakes of the classic films because there's so much unused stuff there.



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Posted 13 November 2015 - 01:02 AM

People, I say this with deep love and with the most utter respect:

Lay off the YOLT wishes. YES it would be great to see on film but not directly after SPECTRE. Not for 25. I would rather hope for a Thunderball or OHMSS story first then have a modern day YOLT.

Maybe also give Christopher Nolan his chance? And definitely drop the traitor/rogue agent themes.

 



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Posted 13 November 2015 - 01:28 AM

People, I say this with deep love and with the most utter respect:

Lay off the YOLT wishes. YES it would be great to see on film but not directly after SPECTRE. Not for 25. I would rather hope for a Thunderball or OHMSS story first then have a modern day YOLT.
 

 

I agree with you, especially as I'd like the next few to veer away from the "this time it's personal" stuff. And thankfully, SPECTRE was a step in the right direction in this regard, as the personal stuff wasn't shoved down our throats.



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Posted 13 November 2015 - 02:57 AM

Very easily. I've chosen not to go see it. I've only been two the theater twice since Quantum of Solace was released seven years ago.

I'll see it probably later this month or the first week of December, but I absolutely refuse to go when films are early in their theatrical runs. I'm not paying $12 a ticket plus another $5+ for a drink only to have to listen to someone talk through the film while another jerk plays with his cell phone for the entire thing. Not worth the time or the effort, especially when the reviews from both critics and Bond fans alike have been abysmal.

 

Wtf, tdalton?  Let me wire you $20 so you can go see it and we all can get your thoughts on it.  Like it or not, we CBners will be highly entertained, if not enlightened, by your thoughts.  You're depriving us, pal! :)


Edited by Professor Pi, 13 November 2015 - 02:57 AM.


#23 tdalton

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Posted 13 November 2015 - 03:14 AM

I just don't have any desire to watch it in a crowded theater. And, to be honest, between the spoilers that have been talked about around here a bit too freely and the overwhelming negative reaction to the film, I've lost a lot of desire to see it.

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Posted 13 November 2015 - 04:03 AM

Well, I respect your choice, bro.  It ain't a solid Timothy Dalton film.  In some ways, it's sad that it's outgrossing LTK, a far superior film.  But in other ways, it's always cool for us to have something to talk about, and for Bond to be on the zeitgeist at the moment.



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Posted 13 November 2015 - 01:35 PM

I want the next one to be just Bond going on a mission, less personal stuff the next time would be the ideal way for me.

 

 

Also a new director, script writer and music composer. 



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Posted 13 November 2015 - 01:48 PM

The way SPECTRE ends, if Craig comes back, it can't be "business as usual." It would have to be at least somewhat personal.

Given that baggage, I'd want them to produce a lean, mean Bond film. Don't overcomplicate the plot.

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Posted 13 November 2015 - 01:58 PM

Very easily. I've chosen not to go see it. I've only been two the theater twice since Quantum of Solace was released seven years ago.

I'll see it probably later this month or the first week of December, but I absolutely refuse to go when films are early in their theatrical runs. I'm not paying $12 a ticket plus another $5+ for a drink only to have to listen to someone talk through the film while another jerk plays with his cell phone for the entire thing. Not worth the time or the effort, especially when the reviews from both critics and Bond fans alike have been abysmal.

 

:blink:

 

Are you sure you're not trying to set up a self fulfilling prophecy? It seems you're pretty intent on not enjoying the film without seeing it, to the point of contorting reality.



#28 Harmsway

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Posted 13 November 2015 - 02:07 PM

Don't mind tdalton. He's our resident grouch.

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Posted 13 November 2015 - 02:19 PM

The way SPECTRE ends, if Craig comes back, it can't be "business as usual." It would have to be at least somewhat personal.

Given that baggage, I'd want them to produce a lean, mean Bond film. Don't overcomplicate the plot.

 

Yes you're right, the end does give a hint that some personal aspects will be present. I don't mind a few nods here and there, but I'd just like to see more spy work. And it doesn't have to include a long list of action scenes, 2 or 3 scenes well done and that actually make sense. 



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Posted 13 November 2015 - 02:20 PM

I'd like more creativity in the action sequences. There was impressive stuff in SPECTRE but, with the exception of the opening in Mexico City, it all seemed to play out fairly predictably.




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