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Fleming's Most Wanted Material Yet To Be Used?


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#1 Trevelyan 006

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Posted 09 November 2015 - 05:38 AM

I could have sworn this thread was hiding around the forums here somewhere, but it seems as though it is not the case. Nonetheless, I'm curious to read which elements, locations, sets, scenes, and/or other material that Fleming originally penned you all wish to see in a future film that have yet to be used!

 

I am dying to see a rendition of the Garden of Death / Castle of Death material in You Only Live Twice (and I know I'm not the only one). There are so many ways in which that specific location and the doomed feeling it delivers within the pages of that novel that could really add to the franchise greatly, I think... Minus the suit of armor, perhaps.

 

Also, I'd really like to see the Spangled Mob's western ghost town, named 'Spectreville', in the Nevada desert like it's described within Diamonds Are Forever. Nevada and Vegas as a Bond locations have always held soft spots with me. So, luring current Bond from his modern world and placing him in the middle of this setting and being limited to era-specific weapons compliments of the baddies in an old west shootout would make for a really interesting watch!

 

Those are from the top of my head, so I'm sure there's plenty I'm missing.

 

What unused Fleming material would others ike to see utilized in future Bond films?



#2 hoagy

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Posted 09 November 2015 - 11:41 PM

Were those elements used, you may expect a change in locations, it would seem.

 

Also -- an Old West shootout ?  Wasn't that done enough in TMWTGG (and a groaner of an ending that was, ugh).

 

Both stories could be told in interesting, not-yet-used locations.

 

I supposed the suicide-culture described by Fleming as being rather unique to Japan

(a) might no longer apply (ONE HOPES !)

(B) would not be used.  I cannot see the producers doing something which would be seen as an insult to a country which hosted Bond and has produced loyal fans.

(c ) perhaps was never historically accurate in the first place ?  At any rate, if not using that particular part, let it go.

 

At any rate, they both could be used to great, spectacular, dramatic effect in new-to-the-movies locations.



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Posted 10 November 2015 - 04:15 AM

I like the idea of Garden of Death/Shatterhand, and It would also be intriguing (as others on this forum have already stated) that when Craig's run is over that a new JB is introduced by having Bond have amnesia in the last Craig movie, then being brainwashed by SPECTRE (or others) to Kill M (and a new person of James Bond being introduced) in the first of some other actor after Craig.  Of course he'd have to snap out of it somehow before the deed is done, but that's best left to JB's writers...



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Posted 10 November 2015 - 09:36 PM

CR: the discussion of the nature of evil. Too long to fully reproduce on film, but some lines would work.

LALD: The gold-coin smuggling/lost treasure plot is still compelling.

MR: Bond and Gala get caught in a landslide at Dover, a warhead going off at sea, Bond goading Drax into beating him up and leaving behind the tool for escape.

DAF: Tiffany Case and her neurotic interactions with Bond, the Spang twins, the scene in the mud baths, Spectreville and Bond taking on the train.

FRWL: Having the story end with Bond being "fatally" poisoned right at the end.

DN: The obstacle course--complete with the squid--and Dr. No's speeches on power and reality.

GF: Bond on night duty, writing Stay Alive!

TB: The melancholy ending with Bond collapsing in Domino's arms

OHMSS: Tracy telling Bond he's a lousy lover!

YOLT: The garden of death, Bond getting amnesia and wandering into enemy territory

TMWTGG: Amnesiac Bond attempting to kill M, the train shootout and killing of Scaramanga, Bond turning down a knighthood.



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Posted 11 November 2015 - 03:23 AM

Were those elements used, you may expect a change in locations, it would seem.

Also -- an Old West shootout ? Wasn't that done enough in TMWTGG (and a groaner of an ending that was, ugh).

Both stories could be told in interesting, not-yet-used locations.

I supposed the suicide-culture described by Fleming as being rather unique to Japan
(a) might no longer apply (ONE HOPES !)
(B) would not be used. I cannot see the producers doing something which would be seen as an insult to a country which hosted Bond and has produced loyal fans.
(c ) perhaps was never historically accurate in the first place ? At any rate, if not using that particular part, let it go.

At any rate, they both could be used to great, spectacular, dramatic effect in new-to-the-movies locations.


I've read articles that Japan has had a high suicide rate.

#6 blueman

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Posted 14 November 2015 - 11:54 PM

I've always thought they could add the squid from DN to the Castle of Death from YOLT pretty easily..

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Posted 15 November 2015 - 02:44 AM

I've always thought they could add the squid from DN to the Castle of Death from YOLT pretty easily..

 

Oh goodness. I've been working on a Bond 25 adaptation. Rough mind you. Bullet points rather than full scenes, just for fun - and i've conbined elements from the novels Diamonds Are Forever, You Only Live Twice, and you guessed it. Dr No. I had this exact same thought. It would be great symbolism really.

 

Maybe Bond ends up with one bullet, and two targets. (Bunt and Blofeld). He shoots Bunt dead without thought - wanting to strangle Blofeld with his bare hands. He throws himself on him and begins to squeeze his neck, but Blofeld gets the upper hand and end up having a fist fight - both of them loose their grip and fall in with the Giant Squid. Blofeld is... dragged underwater - presumed dead, and as tentacles wrap around Bond, he stabs it to death. Bond crawls to safely as the dead giant squip dissapears under the surface.



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Posted 16 November 2015 - 04:27 AM

The three items I'd probably go with are :

 

The obstacle course with the giant squid from Dr. No

The Garden Of Death from You Only Live Twice

An amnesiac Bond tries to kill M from The Man With The Golden Gun



#9 DamnCoffee

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Posted 16 November 2015 - 11:28 AM

Spectreville would be pretty awesome.



#10 glidrose

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Posted 16 November 2015 - 06:22 PM

I could have sworn this thread was hiding around the forums here somewhere, but it seems as though it is not the case.


Yes, it's here http://debrief.comma...sed-in-bond-23/

...and here http://debrief.comma...ould-be-filmed/

...and here http://debrief.comma...r-future-films/

...and here http://debrief.comma...ke-from-novels/

...and here http://debrief.comma...r-future-films/

...and here http://debrief.comma...-is-still-left/

...and here http://debrief.comma...flemings-books/

...and here http://debrief.comma...ial-in-bond-22/

...and here http://debrief.comma...other-elements/

...and that's just for starters.

Many thanks to any long-suffering mod who merges this thread with any of the above. Or merges them all.

#11 Shrublands

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 09:35 AM

 

Were those elements used, you may expect a change in locations, it would seem.

Also -- an Old West shootout ? Wasn't that done enough in TMWTGG (and a groaner of an ending that was, ugh).

Both stories could be told in interesting, not-yet-used locations.

I supposed the suicide-culture described by Fleming as being rather unique to Japan
(a) might no longer apply (ONE HOPES !)
( B) would not be used. I cannot see the producers doing something which would be seen as an insult to a country which hosted Bond and has produced loyal fans.
(c ) perhaps was never historically accurate in the first place ? At any rate, if not using that particular part, let it go.

At any rate, they both could be used to great, spectacular, dramatic effect in new-to-the-movies locations.


I've read articles that Japan has had a high suicide rate.

 

 

There is even a real 'Garden of Death'. 

 

 

Aokigahara (青木ヶ原?), also known as the Suicide Forest or Sea of Trees, is a 35-square-kilometre (14 sq mi) forest that lies at the northwest base of Mount Fuji in Japan

The forest has a historic association with demons in Japanese mythology, and it is a notoriously common suicide site. 

(in which 57 took place in 2010);[2] for this reason, a sign at the head of the main trail urges suicidal visitors to think of their families and contact a suicide prevention association.[3]

 

https://en.wikipedia...wiki/Aokigahara



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Posted 17 November 2015 - 10:17 AM

Christmas lunch at M's.
Fleming mentions Bond once dabbled in the fringes of the motor racing circuit. Bond's interest in sports & hobbies is always forgotten nowadays - maybe we could see him do some racing?
Richard Lovelace Henderson.
Seraffimo Spang is too good a name not to use.
Death by guano.
The Hildebrand Rarity plot - but not the awful title!

#13 Professor Pi

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 12:00 PM

The Hildebrand Rarity plot - but not the awful title!

 

They used the Milton Krest character in Licence to Kill, and Franz Sanchez takes some of the literary Krest's traits.  Since SPECTRE gave us a nod to the title on its safe house, I think they're telling us they will never use "The Hildebrand Rarity" as a title.



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Posted 17 November 2015 - 01:07 PM

I've been singing this song for years! Tragic how little Fleming is actually in the movies. The books were raped! Magpies taking what nuggets they wanted for their recreations and calling it Bond.

 

You could remake quite a few of the movies and by sticking close to the source material they would bare little resemblance to the original movies.



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Posted 03 December 2015 - 04:18 AM

Still think it would be great if the Spang Brothers were eventually used. Billy Bob Thornton and Peter Dinklege wouldn't be that bad casting, either.



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Posted 03 December 2015 - 09:19 AM

I've been singing this song for years! Tragic how little Fleming is actually in the movies. The books were raped! Magpies taking what nuggets they wanted for their recreations and calling it Bond.

 

You could remake quite a few of the movies and by sticking close to the source material they would bare little resemblance to the original movies.

 

Ignoring the use of the word "rape" for a second ( Fleming willingly sold the rights, which would make it consensual, surely), I think that, as cinematic tastes changed, a series of faithful adaptations of the Bond books wouldn't have made it past the late 1960s and would have fizzled out long ago

It's the fantasy and spectacular elements of the movies that captured the imaginations of several generations of fans. 

Many people enjoy the gritty,soul searching Craig Bond....but quite a few also like a hollowed-out volcano or 360 degree car jump too  :-)



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Posted 16 December 2015 - 11:58 AM

I'd like to see them adapt Chitty Chitty Bang Bang in Bond 25. That hasn't been used in a bond film has it?

#18 Guy Haines

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Posted 19 December 2015 - 12:21 PM

If Blofeld returns in Bond 25, and especially if Christoph Waltz reprises the part and the garden of death scenario is used, then I'd like to see an updated version of Blofeld's mea culpa for his crimes. It could be done thusly;

CR - "My operative Le Chiffre was the so called 'banker to terrorists', but I ask you James, where was the crime in alerting the financial sector to just how simple it is for tainted money to flood into the markets?"

QoS; "My financial subsiduary, Quantum, was performing a humanitarian service, by cornering the water supply of one small landlocked country. In so doing it served as a warning that our natural resources are precious and need to be conserved."

SF; "The late Mr Silva overstepped his remit - not the first time that had happened, I understand - in his strange personal obsession with your own dear M. Other than that, what did he, and SPECTRE, do wrong? We merely pointed out the fragility of the interconnected world created by modern technology and the necessity of keeping secrets secret, and speaking of which....."

SP; "....I turn to the last great project of my unique genius , which you destroyed in characteristic manner. Where is the crime in keeping the world safe from harm? And who better to manage this than, say, a poacher turned gamekeeper?"

I'd like to hear Blofeld justify his crimes along those lines, though I'm sure a professional screenwriter could do a much more polished job than I! ;-)

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Posted 07 March 2016 - 04:24 PM

If Blofeld returns in Bond 25, and especially if Christoph Waltz reprises the part and the garden of death scenario is used, then I'd like to see an updated version of Blofeld's mea culpa for his crimes. It could be done thusly;

CR - "My operative Le Chiffre was the so called 'banker to terrorists', but I ask you James, where was the crime in alerting the financial sector to just how simple it is for tainted money to flood into the markets?"

QoS; "My financial subsiduary, Quantum, was performing a humanitarian service, by cornering the water supply of one small landlocked country. In so doing it served as a warning that our natural resources are precious and need to be conserved."

SF; "The late Mr Silva overstepped his remit - not the first time that had happened, I understand - in his strange personal obsession with your own dear M. Other than that, what did he, and SPECTRE, do wrong? We merely pointed out the fragility of the interconnected world created by modern technology and the necessity of keeping secrets secret, and speaking of which....."

SP; "....I turn to the last great project of my unique genius , which you destroyed in characteristic manner. Where is the crime in keeping the world safe from harm? And who better to manage this than, say, a poacher turned gamekeeper?"

I'd like to hear Blofeld justify his crimes along those lines, though I'm sure a professional screenwriter could do a much more polished job than I! ;-)

 

I would welcome this addition to Bond 25 - SP tries to tie it all together so haphazardly! If Eon do have Blofeld back for Bond 25 I think they need to address this issue briefly then move on and not allow it impact the pace/story of Bond 25. 



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Posted 05 February 2017 - 12:21 AM

If Blofeld returns in Bond 25, and especially if Christoph Waltz reprises the part and the garden of death scenario is used, then I'd like to see an updated version of Blofeld's mea culpa for his crimes. It could be done thusly;

CR - "My operative Le Chiffre was the so called 'banker to terrorists', but I ask you James, where was the crime in alerting the financial sector to just how simple it is for tainted money to flood into the markets?"

QoS; "My financial subsiduary, Quantum, was performing a humanitarian service, by cornering the water supply of one small landlocked country. In so doing it served as a warning that our natural resources are precious and need to be conserved."

SF; "The late Mr Silva overstepped his remit - not the first time that had happened, I understand - in his strange personal obsession with your own dear M. Other than that, what did he, and SPECTRE, do wrong? We merely pointed out the fragility of the interconnected world created by modern technology and the necessity of keeping secrets secret, and speaking of which....."

SP; "....I turn to the last great project of my unique genius , which you destroyed in characteristic manner. Where is the crime in keeping the world safe from harm? And who better to manage this than, say, a poacher turned gamekeeper?"

I'd like to hear Blofeld justify his crimes along those lines, though I'm sure a professional screenwriter could do a much more polished job than I! ;-)

 

That's pretty damn polished in my opinion.

 

Blofeld's next line could concern Bond himself, "a blunt instrument who does more harm than good" and urges him to enter the Garden of Death and "take his own life for the sake of humanity."



#21 sharpshooter

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 04:42 AM

I'd really like to see the Question Room. With Craig's Bond sitting down for Le Chiffre, Silva and Blofeld for interrogations, another one wouldn't seem out of place. 



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Posted 26 February 2017 - 05:18 PM

They should use Jack & Seraffimo Spang from DAF. But they should not be twins IMO. But they could cast real brothers, like Ben & Casey Affleck or Jeff and Michael Wincott or similar looking actors like Eric Roberts & Ben Mendelsohn or Gary Oldman & Aidan Gillen. It would be really interesting, if there`re two absolutely equal villains. As Blofeld mentioned in the movie: "Double jeopardy, Mr Bond."



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Posted 26 February 2017 - 05:47 PM

Oldman & Gillen would be a great duo.

 

And Mendelsohn is the most interesting 'villain-actor' of the moment. Problem is he'll soon be old hat since he's popping up in just about everything.



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Posted 01 March 2017 - 06:04 PM

Ben Mendelsohn is indeed the Christoph Waltz of the moment. I just mentioned him because he looks a little like Eric Roberts and would be a believable
brother. So in that case I would nominante William Fichtner instead of Mendelsohn. On the other hand Waltz & Bardem also got the part, though they were both the bad guy-actor of the moment in 2007 and 2009. It seems the producers don`t care much about it...

 

Gary Oldman & Aidan Gillen would be absolutely great. My first choice for the mobster duo! With these two actors the Spangs could become really remarkable villains.



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Posted 23 March 2017 - 04:40 PM

Chitty Citty Bang Bang



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Posted 18 April 2017 - 02:39 AM

Re: The Spang brothers, they could have one actor play both twins in split-screen (a la Armie Hammer in The Social Network).

 

I don't know about Billy Bob Thornton, but I would love to see Peter Dinklage in a Bond film.



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Posted 01 May 2017 - 06:33 PM

What about material from non-Fleming books? We got Colonel Sun with Colonel Tan-Sun Moon in Die Another Day. I wouldn't mind seeing the race from Trigger Mortis in a Bond film. 






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