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Bond 25 & 26 a two parter?


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#31 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 09 September 2015 - 09:18 AM

With 160 minutes it seems that a second part would feel extremely excessive.

 

Maybe they actually condensed the original idea of two into one film.



#32 Guy Haines

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Posted 09 September 2015 - 09:35 AM

The more you look at how long SPECTRE is likely to be, the more you wonder if it was originally based on an outline for two films, which have been condensed into one.

The first with Bond on the trail of SPECTRE, the second a final confrontation with its leader. Perhaps they decided the whole thing could be done in one longer than average Bond movie.

Which makes me wonder if we will get the long speculated - on this site at least - "Garden of Death" scenario for Bond 25? If the leader of SPECTRE, Oberhauser or whoever, does his monologue justifying, say, what happened in the previous three films - much like Blofeld justifying his crimes in the novel "You Only Live Twice" - then this probably wouldn't figure in Bond 25.

I'm hoping we get a return of the SPECTRE syndicate in "25" and possibly the YOLT original storyline, with or without the death of someone close to Bond as motivator. Oberhauser/Blofeld, having maybe survived, could be sprung from custody and it's Bond task simply to track him down, which he does, finding him in that garden.

But another scenario springs to mind. Oberhauser/Blofeld ends the current movie in custody - and the next film has his organisation, or what's left of it, holding the west, or the world, to ransom in some way (terrorist activity, hostage taking, whatever) - and the ransom demanded is the unconditional release, and a full pardon for, a certain Very Important Prisoner. ;-)

#33 Vauxhall

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Posted 09 September 2015 - 11:05 AM

Relatively little of Logan's initial idea is still remaining, broadly speaking. I don't think he would recognise much of what he originally put down on paper.

#34 Double-Oh Agent

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Posted 09 September 2015 - 03:08 PM

With 160 minutes it seems that a second part would feel extremely excessive.

 

Maybe they actually condensed the original idea of two into one film.

That makes sense. Plus it would certainly be safer to do just one long film rather than two shorter ones.

 

The more you look at how long SPECTRE is likely to be, the more you wonder if it was originally based on an outline for two films, which have been condensed into one.

The first with Bond on the trail of SPECTRE, the second a final confrontation with its leader. Perhaps they decided the whole thing could be done in one longer than average Bond movie.

Which makes me wonder if we will get the long speculated - on this site at least - "Garden of Death" scenario for Bond 25? If the leader of SPECTRE, Oberhauser or whoever, does his monologue justifying, say, what happened in the previous three films - much like Blofeld justifying his crimes in the novel "You Only Live Twice" - then this probably wouldn't figure in Bond 25.

I'm hoping we get a return of the SPECTRE syndicate in "25" and possibly the YOLT original storyline, with or without the death of someone close to Bond as motivator. Oberhauser/Blofeld, having maybe survived, could be sprung from custody and it's Bond task simply to track him down, which he does, finding him in that garden.

But another scenario springs to mind. Oberhauser/Blofeld ends the current movie in custody - and the next film has his organisation, or what's left of it, holding the west, or the world, to ransom in some way (terrorist activity, hostage taking, whatever) - and the ransom demanded is the unconditional release, and a full pardon for, a certain Very Important Prisoner. ;-)

Nice idea Guy. Or you could even have SPECTRE break Blofeld out of prison/custody and Bond is sent to track him down.



#35 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 09 September 2015 - 03:29 PM

Relatively little of Logan's initial idea is still remaining, broadly speaking. I don't think he would recognise much of what he originally put down on paper.

 

Interesting.  What might his initial idea have been...



#36 Guy Haines

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Posted 09 September 2015 - 03:43 PM

Thanks, Double-Oh-Agent. To be honest it's an idea I've had for a while, the one where the release of a villain is demanded or else. A bit similar to Silva in SF, except he set himself up to be captured knowing full well he was going to escape (how he knew is another story!)

It was the Hannibal Lecter example that made me think of it - Anthony Hopkins inside that cell for almost all of "Silence Of The Lambs" yet manipulating from within his prison cell.

That said, even if ESB was captured and imprisoned, how soon would it be before he could escape anyway? Inside job? After all we are led to believe that SPECTRE, like Quantum, has people everywhere.

But a ransom demand Bond movie with a difference might be interesting if the demand is the release with full pardon of ESB. Oh, and one extra demand - the public execution of a certain Double-0 agent. ESB might be twisted enough to include that as part of his plan.

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:47 PM

On the eve of the release of SPECTRE I've been thinking about Bond 25.

From the reviews the new movie seems to be a culmination story, the end of a story arc. So what next?

1) if our villain in SPECTRE survives and escapes in Bond 25, a plot involving Bond tracking him down. It could lead to the much discussed - on this site at least - filming of the Garden of Death from the book YOLT. But there are other possibilities;

2) A race against time story of the kind we had in TB;

3) A destroy the world in order to save it story (as in MR the movie) or change it (as in TSWLM and Stromberg's fish obsession). And it needn't involve stolen spacecraft or submarines - there are other ways a so minded villain could threaten the world with extinction.

4) Craig's Bond taking on his equal on the side of the devil, as with Moore's Bond and Scaramanga. Only with Craig's Bond having to stop an assassination attempt rather than persuing an assassin who luxuriates in villainy and wealth like the film Scaramanga, good though he was. That would be another "race against time" scenario.

All this assumes Daniel Craig will do that fifith and probably final Bond, of course - a new man in the role might mean new ideas.

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:58 PM

Or... all four ideas rolled into one  :P

 

Without having seen SPECTRE yet, I would love the next film to go to locations that have not been visited by Craig-Bond yet.   And some "Thunderball"-like beach/sea-action would be welcome (more than Casino Royale).  Going to Japan, Australia, Canada or Africa?



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Posted 25 October 2015 - 02:47 PM

Canada? Really? meh

#40 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 02:55 PM

It has the most beautiful locations, darling.



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Posted 25 October 2015 - 03:44 PM

4) Craig's Bond taking on his equal on the side of the devil, as with Moore's Bond and Scaramanga. Only with Craig's Bond having to stop an assassination attempt rather than persuing an assassin who luxuriates in villainy and wealth like the film Scaramanga, good though he was. That would be another "race against time" scenario.

 

I feel like we kind of saw this in the Craig era with Silva. 



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Posted 25 October 2015 - 04:12 PM

Or... all four ideas rolled into one  :P
 
Without having seen SPECTRE yet, I would love the next film to go to locations that have not been visited by Craig-Bond yet.   And some "Thunderball"-like beach/sea-action would be welcome (more than Casino Royale).  Going to Japan, Australia, Canada or Africa?


A Bond film shouldn't be based around "been there, done that, where next?" - but there are locations 007 hasn't covered which could be used if they flowed naturally into the storyline.

Say if a villain's base of operations, for reasons of plot, was in one of the countries mentioned - not just because we haven't sent Bond there before.

(That said, I'm sure a screenwriter taken aside and told "we haven't done Canada, Australia, etc before" could find a darned good reason to send Bond there! ;-) )

4) Craig's Bond taking on his equal on the side of the devil, as with Moore's Bond and Scaramanga. Only with Craig's Bond having to stop an assassination attempt rather than persuing an assassin who luxuriates in villainy and wealth like the film Scaramanga, good though he was. That would be another "race against time" scenario.

 
I feel like we kind of saw this in the Craig era with Silva.

Silva saw himself as better than Bond, but I never saw him as Bond's equal in the sense I'm thinking of. Silva was an IT genius - more an equal of Q in that respect - with a fixation about the then M.

What I had in mind was Craig Bond facing off against a Scaramanga or Trevelyan type character - someone who ticks exactly the same boxes as Bond but who is driven by a different and villainous motivation. It might complete the Craig era - taking on the person he could have become had he taken a different path.

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 04:17 PM

It has the most beautiful locations, darling.


Nothing screamed Bond when I went there.

#44 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 04:31 PM

 

It has the most beautiful locations, darling.


Nothing screamed Bond when I went there.

 

 

Good.  That would be very distracting, wouldn´ it?



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Posted 25 October 2015 - 05:09 PM

It has the most beautiful locations, darling.


Nothing screamed Bond when I went there.
 
Good.  That would be very distracting, wouldn´ it?
but a better story.

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 05:27 PM

Do you guys seriously think Craig, or the crew, can shoot two films over 18 months continuisly?

 

2 parters are usually just one film cut in half. They are mostly made to that people double pay the tickets. Imagine Skyfall playing over 4 hours 30 and you will get the idea.



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Posted 26 October 2015 - 12:20 AM

re: Canada

 

It has the most beautiful locations, darling.


Nothing screamed Bond when I went there.

 

Oh, well, that's settled then.



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Posted 26 October 2015 - 01:41 AM

re: Canada

It has the most beautiful locations, darling.


Nothing screamed Bond when I went there.
Oh, well, that's settled then.
about as exciting as Bond in Kansas.

#49 AMC Hornet

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Posted 26 October 2015 - 03:35 AM

I take it you're not from Kansas.

 

Tell me, what part of the States are you in, and wouldn't that be just the BEST place for them to film?



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Posted 26 October 2015 - 03:53 AM

In reference to the thread title question, if there ever were going to be a 2-parter (which I personally think will never happen) possible linking titles could be....

 

B25...BOND

B26...JAMES BOND

 

Oh, how I amuse myself so.



#51 seawolfnyy

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Posted 26 October 2015 - 09:07 PM

How about:

B25: Shaken
B26: Not Stirred

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Posted 28 October 2015 - 03:39 PM

Having seen SPECTRE, I'd say it leaves the door open for either a sequel or a new story unconnected with anything before it. Just my view and I'll say no more about the film except that I think options have been left open - possibly with a new director and screenwriters in mind?

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Posted 28 October 2015 - 06:35 PM

Having seen SPECTRE, I'd say it leaves the door open for either a sequel or a new story unconnected with anything before it. Just my view and I'll say no more about the film except that I think options have been left open - possibly with a new director and screenwriters in mind?

 

I think there is a perfect set up for a fifth and final one with Craig. PERFECT. I pretty much know exactly what the next story should be and how it could finish the arc for good. 



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Posted 28 October 2015 - 07:38 PM

I really hope they don't do the two-parter fad.  To me it's never been done well yet.  In fact, I kind of dread it.  The Harry Potter two-parter was kind of embarrassing.  I love getting a new installment each time and I don't see Bond scripts juicy enough to be 4 and a half hour epics.  Especially Purvis and Wade scripts. 

 

It's mainly that I have zero confidence that they would be great.  If the first half isn't great, then it's already a double letdown.  I'm just too nervous and too god-fearing to live in a world where I think they could pull it off. 

 

I'm also not ready to live in a world where I have to decide whether it counts as one entry or two. 

Finally, someone that makes some sense here…. The two-parter is the current trend right now, and it’s such a cheesy fad. It has worked for franchises like the Hunger Games, whose main core audience are almost only its fanbase, but not for the broader audience and level  of quality to which the EON’s series aims.



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Posted 28 October 2015 - 07:55 PM

The only positive about a two parter is we would prob have a Bond in 2018 AND 2019.

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Posted 28 October 2015 - 08:00 PM

No two parter please. That was an awful trend that Harry Potter started and would literally be done to make more money. I agree that Spectre seems to be the result of a two part story condensed into one overly long film. I think the film definitely leaves you to think that maybe the story isn't over, but I could also see it being the swansong (pun intended) of the Craig era.



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Posted 28 October 2015 - 08:12 PM

No two parter please. That was an awful trend that Harry Potter started and would literally be done to make more money. I agree that Spectre seems to be the result of a two part story condensed into one overly long film. I think the film definitely leaves you to think that maybe the story isn't over, but I could also see it being the swansong (pun intended) of the Craig era.

I agree. In fact, one of the things that more annoy me about QOS, is the intention to make, in this case- a fabricated after the success of CR, (artificial) almost two-parter.



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Posted 28 October 2015 - 08:34 PM

 

No two parter please. That was an awful trend that Harry Potter started and would literally be done to make more money. I agree that Spectre seems to be the result of a two part story condensed into one overly long film. I think the film definitely leaves you to think that maybe the story isn't over, but I could also see it being the swansong (pun intended) of the Craig era.

I agree. In fact, one the things that more annoy me about QOS, is the intention to make, in this case- a fabricated after the success of CR, (artificial) almost two-parter.

 

I think Broccoli and Wilson realized what a problem that turned out to be too. Granted, QoS was really hurt by the writer's strike and a rushed production. Oh how I still yearn for that 2009 release date. Alas, if we do see another two-parter in the Bond canon, I'd rather they go the Star Wars route with it. Focus on one film, release it, then create the next. If the story takes 3 more years to complete, so be it. It'll be a better film at least.



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Posted 30 October 2015 - 08:09 AM

After watching 'SPECTRE' 3 times now I think, if anything, this will be a very firm two-parter to tie up the Craig era.

 

I am ready for Craig to leave the role now; he's done wonders, but his Bond is in danger of becoming very stale in the respect of every film more or less makes things personal, and edges into rogue agent status all the time. I think it's time for his heavy drinking brute to come to an end now, and to make way for a slight return to form in a James Bond motivated by duty and danger, not just his heart which is going to get boring, dare I say.

 

I'm willing to bet that he will beg Mendes to return on the basis Bond25 will tie up events laid out in 'SPECTRE' and be the final Craig Bond film and the last Mendes film. A solid partnership with respect and trust in each other to openly deliver their finale.



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Posted 30 October 2015 - 08:58 AM

After watching 'SPECTRE' 3 times now I think, if anything, this will be a very firm two-parter to tie up the Craig era.
 
I am ready for Craig to leave the role now; he's done wonders, but his Bond is in danger of becoming very stale in the respect of every film more or less makes things personal, and edges into rogue agent status all the time. I think it's time for his heavy drinking brute to come to an end now, and to make way for a slight return to form in a James Bond motivated by duty and danger, not just his heart which is going to get boring, dare I say.
 
I'm willing to bet that he will beg Mendes to return on the basis Bond25 will tie up events laid out in 'SPECTRE' and be the final Craig Bond film and the last Mendes film. A solid partnership with respect and trust in each other to openly deliver their finale.


After watching SPECTRE again yesterday, I think we are more likely to get a two parter out of the new film and the next one, than the next one and the one after that. It's not set in stone - a lot could change, including whether Daniel Craig carries on as Bond, but if he does then the finale you post about could happen if;

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