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[Hansen]

A pretty interesting article for those who read French comparing Spectre and Mi5 based on their respective trailers stating that the Bondness may not be where you think.
I personnally agree on that and find myself more excited by MI5 than Spectre.
What do you think ?

http://www.premiere....ai-Bond-4162172

[tdalton]

I can't read the article as I don't know French, but I disagree with the overall sentiment.  The Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation trailer didn't seem all that Bondian to me, certainly not moreso than the trailer for SPECTRE.  Instead, the M:I-RN trailer looked very much like a Mission: Impossible film.

 

In the end, I think that both will be successful, but they're more or less two entirely separate things.  

[Major Tallon]

Over the years, the claim that a particular film "Out Bonds James Bond!" has been made any number of times, but does anyone remember (to give an example) "Remo Williams:  The Adventure Begins"?  I'm sure there will be exciting and well-filmed sequences in "Mission Impossible," and the film will do well at the box office, but I have faith that "SPECTRE" will be a highly successful first-rate thriller and leave us all looking forward to the next installment   Can't ask for much more than that.

[agentbug]

I wasn’t too impressed by the MI5 trailer (bar the final seconds with that spectacular stunt) but one thing I did like about it was it emphasised the fact that it’s a team of people working together with different skills that achieve the impossible. At the very least, that’s one thing that sets it aside from the Bond films, where essentially it is a lone person achieving the impossible.

[Turn]

There's nothing I saw that was more Bondian in the Rogue Nation trailer. I do admit I found it more exciting than the SP trailer, but hey, Peking duck and Russian caviar.

 

But why do there even have to be comparisons? I love the MI series and Bond. I can enjoy the Bournes without having to draw comparisons. I also love Man From UNCLE and won't go into that trying to make comparisons.

 

If anything, the RN trailer reminds me of previous MI films or even Bourne more so than Bond, other than people are wearing tuxedos in a glamorous setting. Especially with all the Washington hearings on breaking up the IMF in harks back to Bourne.

[Hansen]

Well the article insists on the fact that when it comes to fun and coolness which have been Bond trademark since beginning of the franchise, it seems that MI5 is more likely to deliver.
It is pretty ironic when you think about the original serie which was a dark tensed drama

[Simon]

Remo!  Gosh, that brings back memories of promises of 'the next Bond-like spy series'.  I remember seeing it for such, and left feeling uninspired.

 

And then XXX.

 

I am not sure anything out Bond's Bond, and I am not sure anything out MI's MI.

 

And as for an 'exciting' SPECTRE trailer, I think it is fairly apparent that its intention was not to excite, but to intrigue.  On which level I feel it succeeds admirably.

[tdalton]

 

But why do there even have to be comparisons? I love the MI series and Bond. I can enjoy the Bournes without having to draw comparisons. I also love Man From UNCLE and won't go into that trying to make comparisons.

 

 

I don't see the need for comparison either.  Mission: Impossible and Bond tick different boxes for me anyway.  I go to the M:I films primarily for Cruise.  Say what you want about him as a person, but he's a terrific filmmaker who has very rarely left me disappointed.  I do admire the fact that he goes to great lengths to make things seem real, whether that involves dangling off the top of the tallest building in the world or hanging off of the side of an airplane in flight, he usually goes to great lengths to make action like that look as real as possible, and that appeals to me.  

 

With Bond, I'm there more for the character than anything else.  The Ethan Hunt character isn't anywhere near as compelling as Bond, but Cruise himself is very entertaining and the main reason that the M:I films are worth watching.

[Turn]

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who likes Cruise. The guy has been probably the biggest star of my generation with an incredible body of work and I am amazed by the amount of dislike and outright hate he gets. I also like his dedication to the MI series. He strives to stay fit and I don't have a problem with him continuing on in it as long as he keeps things up the way he has. Cruise certainly is more believable at this point of his career in such a series than Roger Moore was at that point, no offense to him.

 

But the Hunt character is very much just there whereas Bond is Bond, much more intriguing. Of course, you never knew much about the team in the original MI series either, so that fits in with the mythology, which makes it funny considering how many were up in arms with who the villain was in the first film, including a good friend of mine who says he won't watch any of the movies based on what happened in the first. His loss.

[Simon]

Yup - agree with the two posts above.

 

Any attempt to replace Cruise with Renner (I think this was either mooted or rumoured) would fall flat on its face.  Cruise puts untold levels of energy into his roles and not just in the action stakes but in the conversational scenes too.  There is unparalleled commitment to his scenes that make him a very compelling actor to watch.  Hence, yes, he is the reason primarily I see MI.

 

Bond for me is the whole universe and is not dictated by any one actor.  (Although I am sure this was not the case for audiences in Connery's era).

[SecretAgentFan]

Nothing to see here, people, move on...

[Jim]

Both are entertaining.

[marktmurphy]

I did enjoy the MI trailer more than the Spectre one.

[S K Y F A L L]

I seen another article saying the same thing and Furious 7. Bond seems to be using darker tones and themes again is all.

[DavidJones]

I did enjoy the MI trailer more than the Spectre one.

 

They weren't both the same kind of trailers, though. The one for Spectre was a 'teaser trailer'. Conventionally, this just takes one or two scenes and splices them with a lot of atmosphere. It can afford to be this low-key because there will be a full trailer in a few months. The MI:5 one lives or dies by the trailer they've just released, so it's supposed to be full-on.

[marktmurphy]

 

I did enjoy the MI trailer more than the Spectre one.

 

They weren't both the same kind of trailers, though. The one for Spectre was a 'teaser trailer'. Conventionally, this just takes one or two scenes and splices them with a lot of atmosphere. It can afford to be this low-key because there will be a full trailer in a few months. The MI:5 one lives or dies by the trailer they've just released, so it's supposed to be full-on.

 

 

MI5 released a teaser days before the main one. It was still more exciting than the Spectre one, and the films are aiming for the same audience. It doesn't really matter if they were aiming to do different things: it's still true that I enjoyed one more than the other.

 

The Spectre trailer is really dull and underwhelming. I'm sure the next one will be good and the film will be great, but the trailer was rubbish.

[Turn]

I too was underwhelmed by the SPECTRE teaser. It was okay, but I got more of a "not another personal mission" vibe out of it than anything else. I don't mind that they went with something like that, it just seems everybody else is super pumped except me and marktmurphy.

 

While the MI trailer also has that type of thing with the talk of ending the IMF, at least there are also scenes that kind of quicken the pulse. I can't imagine what a casual fan without any concept of the SPECTRE organization would make of it.  

[Simon]

Yeah, but to be fair, at the time of the trailer, many action scenes had been plastered all over the news sites around the world.

 

Purely from a point of timing, I am not sure the world needed any more action scenes from the Bond film.

 

Whether or not this was a conscious decision on the part of the production team, I couldn't say.  But in this way, and from a universal and collective point of view, it worked.

 

Back to the topic though, I think the only time I felt something out-Bonded Bond, was the ski sequence from True Lies.  Yes it was a perfect homage but the filming and editing was splendidly thrilling.  More so than many action sequences from the Bonds at the time.

[Hansen]

I am struck by the change of communication strategy of the Bond Franchise.
It was before, to put it simply, high quality fun. They have been going to a darker tone to follow Nolan, Potter tone where blockbuster had to too be also serious, but I have the feeling that this is well over and viewers are not that much in 'serious'stuff. MI, F&F, Marvel are definitly on the fun and coolness and work very well.
Thus, I find the tone and communication on SPECTRE outdated

[Guy Haines]

The Spectre teaser trailer wasn't meant to give away action scenes but to intrigue. Heaven knows, enough has been shown in other videos and pictorial reports, notably the "Day Of The Dead" scenes involving a helicopter fight. There's time enough for these to be in the main trailer(s) later in the year.

 

The purpose of the teaser was to get us thinking. Bond has a secret - what is it? Who is the dishevelled man in the cabin - those who have seen CR & QoS will know, but why is he now as he is? The widow at the funeral. And the man in shadow who seems to know Bond.

 

I liked the trailer and I can only go on anecdotal evidence of others who I've spoken to who have seen it - they liked it too, and retweeted it.

[SecretAgentFan]

I am struck by the change of communication strategy of the Bond Franchise.
It was before, to put it simply, high quality fun. They have been going to a darker tone to follow Nolan, Potter tone where blockbuster had to too be also serious, but I have the feeling that this is well over and viewers are not that much in 'serious'stuff. MI, F&F, Marvel are definitly on the fun and coolness and work very well.
Thus, I find the tone and communication on SPECTRE outdated

 

It will be interesting to see your assessment proven right or wrong in November.

 

My money is on wrong.

[Hansen]

But I definitely hope that I will be wrong

[tdalton]

 

I am struck by the change of communication strategy of the Bond Franchise.
It was before, to put it simply, high quality fun. They have been going to a darker tone to follow Nolan, Potter tone where blockbuster had to too be also serious, but I have the feeling that this is well over and viewers are not that much in 'serious'stuff. MI, F&F, Marvel are definitly on the fun and coolness and work very well.
Thus, I find the tone and communication on SPECTRE outdated

 

It will be interesting to see your assessment proven right or wrong in November.

 

My money is on wrong.

 

 

I would tend to agree.  Audiences pretty much rubber-stamped the current, serious direction when they put down over a billion dollars on Skyfall.  If SPECTRE gets anywhere near the same amount of money, even if it falls short of a billion and only finishes somewhere in the $800-900 million range, then I'd say that's a pretty good sign that audiences have approved of the general direction that Bond is going even though other franchises, like Mission: Impossible, Fast & Furious, and the Marvel films are having a lot of success by going in more or less the opposite direction.

[sharpshooter]

I think Bond films have retained their identity, and that's why people continue to flock to the cinemas. I'm sure it's the British charm and way of doing things. All of the films in the franchise have it, from the lighter entries to the darker ones.

[Jim]

Presumably more of the action of the Mission: Impossible one had been filmed and post-produced therefore there was much more of it to show. I suspect the next Bond trailer will have plenty of action and then folks will whinge about it having too much. Such moribund whining won't stop the film from happening, though,.

[George Kaplan]

Didn't even realize there was a new MI trailer.  But I liked the SPECTRE teaser - thought it worked in terms of intriguing one for seeing what the snippets all mean when a full trailer hit.

 

Also, I watched Remo Williams the other day.  Had forgotten it was being touted as a Bond-killer at the time.

Edited by George Kaplan, 28 April 2015 - 06:58 PM.

[Simon]

Regarding Jim's post about moribund whining over 'not enough' and the soon to be 'too much' action in the trailer - yes indeed.

 

Thank goodness to the Lord that the producers are Not making these films for the fans.

[Major Tallon]

Simon, I have been of that opinion on more occasions than one.

[George Kaplan]

Making things for the fans is a dicey proposition, really, since the fans really aren't a unified group mind. You only have to look at the disparate sampling here to see our interests in Bond are all slightly different.

[Simon]

And yet, bless'em, they still say all the right things to the press about 'giving the fans this and that'.

 

A master class in patience and handling.