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[Surrie]

SPECTRE seemed to be a case of the locations and setpieces being conceived before the plot, rather than the other way round. Scriptwriting by committee.

 

You are most likely right there!

[Mr_Wint]

It's sad when a fantastic set like this:




...ends up looking like this:

[SecretAgentFan]

Boy.  That is shocking!

[Harmsway]

It's sad when a fantastic set like this:




...ends up looking like this:

Wow.

[SecretAgentFan]

I really cannot understand why such an elaborate set with such a vibrant color scheme gets even constructed in that detail when it isn´t properly used.

 

The same goes for the colours of the Mexican Day of the Dead-sequence which look sharp and rich in contrast on set-photos - but bleached out in the film.

 

Mr. Mendes, what gives?

[tdalton]

That's just a shame.  The original set looks amazing.  

[Blofeld's Cat]

Too be fair, such a large room in an old building wouldn't be so brightly lit like in the top image. The bottom one seems more in keeping with the location.

[JohnnyWalker]

That first image looks like a big budget BBC show.

[Hockey Mask]

I have no issues with Mendes' choices.

[The Shark]

Too be fair, such a large room in an old building wouldn't be so brightly lit like in the top image. The bottom one seems more in keeping with the location.

 

Hoytema's approach was to make every set feel like it was lit by practicals (real light sources) as opposed to studio lights, and to work within the "toe" of the negative (the deepest blacks and foggiest of greys). For an ordinary thriller or horror that would be fine, but Bond lives in his own world. Deakins understood that, which is why (save for the candlelit scenes in the chapel) he opted for a surreal rather than a purely realistic look. 

[Hockey Mask]

It's sad when a fantastic set like this:
...ends up looking like this:

Wow.

The top pic looks like Bond should be dressed as a woman in Thunderball. Seen it. Give me something with atmosphere.

Edited by Hockey Mask, 09 January 2016 - 04:29 AM.

[SecretAgentFan]

Give me something which does not drench two hours in the same washed-out colours.

[Hockey Mask]

I'm guessing you already have those in the form of Bond 1-23.

[SecretAgentFan]

True.  Well, finally we have one of those.

[The Shark]

I'm guessing you already have those in the form of Bond 1-23.

 

You Only Live Twice, Goldfinger, Skyfall, Moonraker and Casino Royale have washed out colours?

 

That upper pic of the SPECTRE hall alone is more horrifying than anything in the actual film, and it's just a frickin photo of a set.

[Surrie]

The cinematography during the Morocco and Train scene's are the best, IMO. 

[Yellow Pinky]

Is it just me or does SPECTRE's cinematography look...

Muddy, muted, and generally awful?  Yes.  Yes it does.  I was shocked when I saw it in the theater, even convinced something was off with the projection print.  A second viewing confirmed that it's just not crisp and clear.  The exact opposite of the gorgeous color and clarity of SF.  I'm hoping it gets a tweak before hitting Blu-Ray, but I know I'm probably hoping in vain.

 

EDIT: Too much digital color correction is to blame for how muted it is.  There are no crisp blacks either.

Edited by Yellow Pinky, 13 January 2016 - 05:12 PM.

[SecretAgentFan]

I´m hoping, too, that the blu-ray will have a better look.

[tdalton]

Is it just me or does SPECTRE's cinematography look...

Muddy, muted, and generally awful?  Yes.  Yes it does.  I was shocked when I saw it in the theater, even convinced something was off with the projection print.  A second viewing confirmed that it's just not crisp and clear.  The exact opposite of the gorgeous color and clarity of SF.  I'm hoping it gets a tweak before hitting Blu-Ray, but I know I'm probably hoping in vain.

 

EDIT: Too much digital color correction is to blame for how muted it is.  There are no crisp blacks either.

 

You're definitely not the only one that feels that way.  The look of Spectre is made even more disappointing due to the fact that it comes on the heels of Deakins' excellent work on Skyfall, but regardless it's still not particularly great work.  The scenes in the film routinely looked better in still photographs than they did after all of the filters and color corrections and whatever else they ultimately did to the film to make it look the way that it does.  

[glidrose]

I'm guessing you already have those in the form of Bond 1-23.

 
You Only Live Twice, Goldfinger, Skyfall, Moonraker and Casino Royale have washed out colours?

No, Hockey Mask is saying that those films have lively colors if that's what SAF wants. Whereas Hockey Mask admires Spectre's look precisely because it's different.

[Blofeld's Cat]

While I don't condone or participate to P2P downloads a friend of mine brought to my attention of a fan regrading of SPECTRE....

 

 

When the blu-ray screencaps started cropping up for Spectre, I checked them out and noticed that a blanket yellow tint has been applied to the whole film.

With this release I have gone ahead and removed the blanket yellow tint across the whole film. I now feel that the film is far more pleasing to the eye, removing the blanket green tint brings all the other colours in the film back to life, making it a lot more enjoyable to watch. Also included are the chapter timings taken straight from the official blu-ray.

 

I have no idea what any of this means but it may interest members on this subject.

[Harmsway]

The screencaps for that fan regrading aren't promising. Instead of the golden tint, everything is now bathed in a chilly blue.

[JohnnyWalker]

The screencaps for that fan regrading aren't promising. Instead of the golden tint, everything is now bathed in a chilly blue.

How would someone find these screencaps?

[MattofSteel]

The screencaps for that fan regrading aren't promising. Instead of the golden tint, everything is now bathed in a chilly blue.

 

I sort of disagree. I hadn't realized the yellow tint was that pronounced - I'm vastly preferring the regraded snaps. They actually look natural and rich.

[RMc2]

There are some comparison screencaps here:

 

http://www.thebondbu...grading-spectre

[SecretAgentFan]

Are there also caps that show either the original or the regraded version?

 

This way, both look weird to me.

[Harmsway]

Yeah, neither is right. The "natural" look is in-between the original and regraded versions.

[Hockey Mask]

I'll take the original.

[Surrie]

There are some comparison screencaps here:

 

http://www.thebondbu...grading-spectre

 

After seeing those screenshots I have to say I much prefer the regraded version!! 

[Dustin]

Did it really look this yellow on screen?!? I can't believe it, I thought there was a little touch of sepia over it all, not such a massive 70s/80s polaroid fade. This stuff looks like the snaps from my 1978 trip down the Yugoslavia coast...