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[When In Egypt]

I'm glad, because I really like the Bond movies to have a different director every time.  At least, not the same director twice in a row.

[SecretAgentFan]

Not according to box office receipts.

[Hockey Mask]

I am definitely disappointed. No Mendes, no Deakins, and probably no Bond in 2014.

 

I am definitely not keen on Martin Campbell.  We'll have to see. 

 

I am sure Mendes will return to franchise at some point.

[SecretAgentFan]

Fantastic news!

 

Why?

 

I loved Mendes´ work. But as he said so himself: he has given all he can give to SKYFALL. To immediately do the next one would not have resulted in a fresh perspective from Mendes, it would have been a chore for him, especially considering his many theatre projects.

 

And since Mendes was the only factor why the shooting of BOND 24 could have been postponed his refusal to helm the film opens up a much better time table and lots of possibilities.

 

I could imagine that Craig dropping out of the Clooney film is a direct response to that. Now EON does not have to wait for Mendes, they can start earlier (fall/end of 2013), have more time for post-production. Win-Win.

 

And please, don´t tell me that Mendes is the only director who can do justice to Bond now. When he was announced so many people were criticizing him.

 

EON will find someone else. And it´s thrilling to be able to get all the rumors in the near future now!

 

Apart from all that: Bond 24 really can be a straight misssion now, without too much angst and psychological subtext (which Mendes definitely would have injected). Mendes can return at some later point and do a brilliant job. But for now, let´s be happy to get a perspective.

Edited by SecretAgentFan, 06 March 2013 - 12:36 PM.

[QOS4EVER]

Not according to box office receipts.

Critics gave the film  a great 'word of mouth', which spread unceasingly. Casual viewers got attracted to see what the hype is about .That kind of hype won't save a movie every time

Edited by QOS4EVER, 06 March 2013 - 12:40 PM.

[SecretAgentFan]

C´mon, over one billion dollars is not the result of hype. That would have resulted in a huge opening weekend and then a steep drop. But audiences really liked SKYFALL and gave it the sort of repeat business that makes such mega hits.

 

You did not like the film. Perfectly fine. But to claim that only the hype pushed SKYFALL´s box office so high is just plain wrong. 

[thecasinoroyale]

Gutted to hear about Sam Mendes not returning!

 

I just really hope EON can maintain the calibre of film-making, the passion, time and commitment that went into 'Skyfall' for the next adventure and not rush ahead to get something out the door, a'la 'Quantum Of Solace' rushing to satisfy the want for Bond after the success of 'Casino Royale'.

 

Sad times.

[QOS4EVER]

I made it perfectly clear I have not liked the film and I understand you admire it and I respect your opinion !

But that sort of hype has nothing to do with a huge opening weekend .

 

Look at the highest grossing film of all time Avatar. The hype of 3D with the price  is the reason why it stands at the top. That doesn't mean it was a good movie

[graric]

 

 

 

 

 

NEW: Mendes will NOT be back for Bond 24

 

 

http://www.empireonl...y.asp?NID=36712

 

EDIT: It seems the story in the link is not loading properly... don't know what that means.

 

Yes, and it's not listed in the News section or anywhere on the Empire site.

Very interested to see how this develops today. Has Empire FaceBooked and Tweeted before the story was writen up?

Have they retracted it for some reason?

 

Who can say at this point.

 

EDIT : It seems the story is there now.

 

YES !!!!!!

Is this confirmed ??

Damn, I haven't been this excited since I watched Casino Royale for the first Time

 

You are pleased that Mendes will NOT be involved??

Yes! Very much !

I understand you like it and CBN adores it and critics also love it .

 

But myself and many other younger fans and sites like the other Bond websites, Yahoo, IMDB and such don't share the same enthusiasm  .

 

They sound like the last people Eon should be attempting to please. Probably better to continue to thrill those who paid for over a billion dollars worth of cinema tickets.

Those are exactly the people I am talking about .  Michael Wilson himself said when they were making Casino Royale was that they "wanted to attract a younger audience", that was the whole point of making Casino Royale , to appeal to a younger fan base who had the impression of Bond being outdated. The reason I was already accustomed to Bond was since my father was an avid fan. Everyone else in my peer group started having that interest in Bond since
Casino Royale. Skyfall defeated that whole purpose .

Speaking as another member of the younger audience I don't think Skyfall defeated the purpose of Casino Royale at all, it may no longer be about the early 'Bond becoming Bond' storyline, but it was still a very grounded take on the character (which is where more of the appeal lay...the reboot in some respects justified this take.)

While you have every right to  enjoy or dislike a film, please don't presume to speak for an entire demographic....many people my age and younger that I know loved the film (and recommended to friends that they have to actually watch it in cinemas, not just wait for the DVD.) Does this mean that everyone in this demographic loved the film? No, but it does suggest that a fair portion of them did! (Something the Box Office results also suggest.)

Remember, whether you like or dislike a film, you can always find people that share your views (especially on the internet)...but the internet only represents a fraction of the World's Population (and forums like these and Imdb an even smaller fraction)...it becomes far too easy to see these forums as being more representative than they actually are...if they were Timothy Dalton would be seen as one of the most loved Bond's (not one of the most under-rated.)

Box Office and Critical Opinion and Awards (including online ones that fans can vote in) all suggest this was a generally well loved Bond film, which would suggest that a large percentage of the younger audience enjoyed it as well. Obviously it was not a universally loved film, but it managed to make a Bond film an event for the first time in many years!

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

I'm a bit disappointed, but I have faith in EON for not cocking it up. As long as the producers, script, actors and production design are top notch even a trained monkey could helm a quality film - just look at Red Dragon. And I am sure we'll be getting something better than a trained monkey.

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

Anyone but not Christopher Nolan.

[Berni99]

Martin Campbell, if not, then Christopher Nolan

Edited by Berni99, 06 March 2013 - 01:24 PM.

[SecretAgentFan]

I made it perfectly clear I have not liked the film and I understand you admire it and I respect your opinion !

But that sort of hype has nothing to do with a huge opening weekend .

 

Look at the highest grossing film of all time Avatar. The hype of 3D with the price  is the reason why it stands at the top. That doesn't mean it was a good movie

 

Hey, I did not like AVATAR either. But even I have to respect that lots of people did like it enormously.

 

Hype always works - but only to a point. And if people do not like something no hype can save it.

 

Now, if lots of people like something does not mean it´s good. But in the end it´s all just about preference. 

 

You did not like SKYFALL and you did not think it was very good. The majority of audiences thought otherwise.

 

That does not take one bit away from your opinion. But it also does not give your opinion the edge. 

 

Now, let´s return to the thread´s topic: Sam Mandes likely to commit for Bond 24... but has now decided not to.

I'm a bit disappointed, but I have faith in EON for not cocking it up. As long as the producers, script, actors and production design are top notch even a trained monkey could helm a quality film - just look at Red Dragon. And I am sure we'll be getting something better than a trained monkey.

 

Trained monkey...

 

Now, don´t you give studios any ideas!

[SecretAgentFan]

I actually could imagine EON already asking Mr.Campbell.

 

But I would prefer someone else. Someone new and fresh. Kathryn Bigelow, the first woman to helm a 007 epic.

[Berni99]

Pretty surprised by that. Not good news.

Probably reasonable to speculate that perhaps the studio doesn't want to wait until 2015 for BOND 24, and Mendes was clearly unavailable for an earlier start, so they had to move on.
 

 

I think also, Sony & Co. want a Release for 2014

[thecasinoroyale]

Just someone who has the passion, the dedication and creative flair for the James Bond name and franchise.

 

Please not someone just because MGW liked one of their films....!

[QOS4EVER]

 

 

 

 

 

 

NEW: Mendes will NOT be back for Bond 24

 

 

http://www.empireonl...y.asp?NID=36712

 

EDIT: It seems the story in the link is not loading properly... don't know what that means.

 

Yes, and it's not listed in the News section or anywhere on the Empire site.

Very interested to see how this develops today. Has Empire FaceBooked and Tweeted before the story was writen up?

Have they retracted it for some reason?

 

Who can say at this point.

 

EDIT : It seems the story is there now.

 

YES !!!!!!

Is this confirmed ??

Damn, I haven't been this excited since I watched Casino Royale for the first Time

 

You are pleased that Mendes will NOT be involved??

Yes! Very much !

I understand you like it and CBN adores it and critics also love it .

 

But myself and many other younger fans and sites like the other Bond websites, Yahoo, IMDB and such don't share the same enthusiasm  .

 

They sound like the last people Eon should be attempting to please. Probably better to continue to thrill those who paid for over a billion dollars worth of cinema tickets.

Those are exactly the people I am talking about .  Michael Wilson himself said when they were making Casino Royale was that they "wanted to attract a younger audience", that was the whole point of making Casino Royale , to appeal to a younger fan base who had the impression of Bond being outdated. The reason I was already accustomed to Bond was since my father was an avid fan. Everyone else in my peer group started having that interest in Bond since
Casino Royale. Skyfall defeated that whole purpose .

Speaking as another member of the younger audience I don't think Skyfall defeated the purpose of Casino Royale at all, it may no longer be about the early 'Bond becoming Bond' storyline, but it was still a very grounded take on the character (which is where more of the appeal lay...the reboot in some respects justified this take.)

While you have every right to  enjoy or dislike a film, please don't presume to speak for an entire demographic....many people my age and younger that I know loved the film (and recommended to friends that they have to actually watch it in cinemas, not just wait for the DVD.) Does this mean that everyone in this demographic loved the film? No, but it does suggest that a fair portion of them did! (Something the Box Office results also suggest.)

Remember, whether you like or dislike a film, you can always find people that share your views (especially on the internet)...but the internet only represents a fraction of the World's Population (and forums like these and Imdb an even smaller fraction)...it becomes far too easy to see these forums as being more representative than they actually are...if they were Timothy Dalton would be seen as one of the most loved Bond's (not one of the most under-rated.)

Box Office and Critical Opinion and Awards (including online ones that fans can vote in) all suggest this was a generally well loved Bond film, which would suggest that a large percentage of the younger audience enjoyed it as well. Obviously it was not a universally loved film, but it managed to make a Bond film an event for the first time in many years!

I have not mentioned that 'every' person under the young demographic likes it , I said 'many'. You see I am talking about the younger audience who looked at Bond as a relic from the past something which You are far from,  a quick glance at your profile shows that you have an affinity for the classic Bond , You appreciate Sean Connery and your favourite film is 'From Russia With Love". I am afraid you also contradict yourself by saying Internet discussions amount to nothing  but weigh in on online awards.  

[Jim]

Do bother to keep it nice.

 

Various threads on theme merged, retitled.

[Sir Godfrey]

Well, it's very sad that Mendes refuses the proposition but I was afraid that Bond 24 was a copy of Skyfall when i rode everywhere that Mendes, Newmann, Deakins and Adele would be back.
I think Skyfall is a great movie but Bond 24 has to be THE NEXT Bond film. Skyfall is past now.

 

 

Martin Campbell is not a bad idea. But he should have directed Quantum of Solace just after Casino Royale.

I
hate Christopher Nolan and I don't really want him to direct the next
Bond Movie. Moreover, he recently said that he doesn't like Craig. So,
it's not possible for the moment.

What about David Fincher or Danny Boyle ? They are famous but rules seem have changed with Skyfall...

[Shrublands]

I made it perfectly clear I have not liked the film and ...

 

Yes, you have, now why don't you stop derailing this thread?

[Loomis]

I actually could imagine EON already asking Mr.Campbell.

 

But I would prefer someone else. Someone new and fresh. Kathryn Bigelow, the first woman to helm a 007 epic.

Hopefully. I don't think SKYFALL's all it's cracked up to be (not by a long chalk), so I'd much rather Campbell took over from Mendes for BOND 24.

 

Whether Campbell is in any way on the cards I have no idea, but I'd be delighted if he were hired.

[Stainless Steel Teeth INC]

I would quite like to see Matthew Vaughn take a shot at Bond 24.

 

He already has a prior working relationship with Craig (and Ben Whishaw) which may appeal to EON and along with his directing talents knows exactly what is involved with running a production.

 

Kathryn Bigelow would also be an exciting choice but after Sam Mendes obvious passion and enthusiasm for Bond I do hope that whichever director gets the nod will also come into the project with similar sensibilities.

[QOS4EVER]

The majority of audiences thought otherwise.

We know that it filled a lot of seats and the most heard voices namely the critics loved it,  but as for the majority you nor I can say.

 

Like you said earlier its best get on topic.

 

I am curious why would you want Bigelow, you had mentioned earlier you would like to get back to a proper mission without much emphasis on phycology. Wouldn't Bigelow do just that ?

[Jim]

Poll added

[SecretAgentFan]

I don´t know - until now, Bigelow has mostly proven to be very capable in handling intense action and suspense. While character-driven, she does not seem to be too interested in psychologically driven drama (like Mendes). Therefore I would find it very interesting what she could do with Bond.

[Hockey Mask]

Sounds like Nolan will be busy producing Justice League so we can stop worrying about him.

[QOS4EVER]

Sounds like Nolan will be busy producing Justice League so we can stop worrying about him.

 

That  new news tid bit is an exciting prospect! 

I don´t know - until now, Bigelow has mostly proven to be very capable in handling intense action and suspense. While character-driven, she does not seem to be too interested in psychologically driven drama (like Mendes). Therefore I would find it very interesting what she could do with Bond.

Hmm... If you say so, I'll purchase Zero Dark Thirty in a few days and check it out.

[PeteNeon]

I'm glad, because I really like the Bond movies to have a different director every time.  At least, not the same director twice in a row.

 

This. Bond doesn't need Mendes to be good. Personally really happy cos it might mean the return of DA. 

 

Also means we should definitely expect it next year!

Edited by PeteNeon, 06 March 2013 - 02:21 PM.

[Berni99]

Maybe MGW ask Marc Forster?

[Sir Godfrey]

Maybe MGW ask Marc Forster?

"You must be joking"