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[Lektor]

Ok. I'm wondering what type of villain that never been done before?

Examples.

Ex MI6: Silva (SF), Alec (GE)

 

"Rich"guy: Greene (QoS/Quantum), Le Chiffre (CR/Quantum), Graves/Moon (DAD/North Korea), Khan (OP), Scaramanga (GG), Largo (TB), Goldfinger (GF)

 

Terrorist: Renard (TWINE, Far Left Anarchist), Dr.No (DN)

 

Megalomaniac: Carver (TND), Zorin (AVTAK), Drax (MR), Stromberg (TSWLM), Blofeld,

 

Druglord/Mafia: Sanchez (LTK), Kananga (LALD)

 

Smuggler/Arms Dealer: Whitaker (TLD), Kristatos (FYEO)

 

KGB/Soviet: Koskov (TLD), Orlov (OP)

 

But what is type of villains are missing? Also, as far as I can see we've never seen Bond against some far-right/neo-nazi villain only far-left/communist. Why?

 

EDIT: Ok, you might not agree on the categories, but please don't let my list hinder the discussion

Edited by Lektor, 12 January 2013 - 05:45 PM.

[Professor Pi]

Good idea for a post, Lektor!

 

There was a Nazi in John Gardner's book, Icebreaker.  Also, one could argue Hugo Drax was one with his Nietschke super race plan (though he had some diversity in his crew.)

 

One category not listed was Female:  Elektra King comes to mind. Pussy Galore switched sides and Octopussy didn't turn out bad.  One could argue Elektra falls into the Rich / Megalomaniac category.

 

Cult Leader:  Present in John Gardner's Father Valentine/Scorpius character, but not really in the movies (don't think we should count Wayne Newton in LTK.) 

 

Anarchist:  Like Batman's Joker and Bane.

 

U.S. Ex-Military: Like villains from Die Hard 2 and The Rock.

 

Cyber Terrorist:  Silva?

 

Mob/Mafia:  A few in DAF and TMWTGG but not primary.  Be an odd mixing of genres, but a Russian Mafia baddie would be of interest.

 

Corrupt Politicians:  Hinted at in QoS.  Maybe if another movie about Quantum.

 

The producers usually shy away from straight ahead Political or Religious Zealots, hence SPECTRE over SMERSH, and rogue communist generals (Orlov, Tan-Sun-Moon.) Probably too controversial to have a Chinese master villain, even the Red Dawn remake changed that to North Korea from its script.

 

And Bond hasn't really had a straight up English villain, though that tends to be Hollywood's trend this last decade.  Silva was Brazilian, Trevelyan of Russian background, Gustav Graves a genetically modified Korean.

 

My favorite villains are usually the rich megalomaniacs.

[seawolfnyy]

I would consider Drax to be a far right Neo-Nazi type. His plan was to kill off everyone in the world he deemed unfit and create a master race. Who does that remind you of? Also, the Drax from the novel was a Nazi.

[Professor Pi]

I would consider Drax to be a far right Neo-Nazi type. His plan was to kill off everyone in the world he deemed unfit and create a master race. Who does that remind you of? Also, the Drax from the novel was a Nazi.

 

I had forgotten that, been so long since I read Moonraker.  Another villain passing himself off as English.

[seawolfnyy]

 

I would consider Drax to be a far right Neo-Nazi type. His plan was to kill off everyone in the world he deemed unfit and create a master race. Who does that remind you of? Also, the Drax from the novel was a Nazi.

 

I had forgotten that, been so long since I read Moonraker.  Another villain passing himself off as English.

 

For those reasons, I really wouldn't consider Drax in the megalomaniac category. I'm not sure Stromberg should be in there either. I'm not sure where he should be placed.

[Lektor]

Yes. I see your point about Drax. I've not seen Moonraker recently. But doesn't he base his ideas on some nietzschean philosophy rather than on an national socialistic basis?

 

Wasn't there a cult/religious leader in a movie (henchman) where they blow up some temples? The Spy Who Loved Me? License to Kill or The Living Daylights?

Edited by Lektor, 12 January 2013 - 08:59 PM.

[Syndicate]

I would say the first world President that is evil where his members of the senate and Congress or members of Parliament are the President of the U.S. President Of China, President Of Russia, the Prime Minister of England, President Of Iran, President Of Taiwan, the Prime Minister of Canada, President of Mexico, President Of South Africa, Presidents of South and North Korea and so on. His Charman of the Joint Chief Of Staff would be either the head of NATO or the Warsaw pact. In which he do evil to three or four countries, at being at war with each other.

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Just think of with all that power, what can one do to the world and each countary.

 

That kind of a villian would not work in a close to the real world type spy movie or novel. Only in a super spy type at best.

Edited by Syndicate, 17 January 2013 - 10:25 PM.

[seawolfnyy]

Yes. I see your point about Drax. I've not seen Moonraker recently. But doesn't he base his ideas on some nietzschean philosophy rather than on an national socialistic basis?

 

Wasn't there a cult/religious leader in a movie (henchman) where they blow up some temples? The Spy Who Loved Me? License to Kill or The Living Daylights?

I don't remember that. The closest I could see would be either Drax or Professor Joe in LTK, but he plays only a small part.

[Mr. A Martin]

how about a political serial killer, not like smersh. smersh was govt sanctioned. others such as oddjob or jaws were loyal or paid killers. someone who killed not for money, power or Revenge but for enjoyment, someone who kills many to support his life style which would be murder as a personel challenge. Highly protected individuals would be his personel game

[ifonly]

On thing we haven’t had that I can recall is a kidnapping,  maybe one from royalty or high level government official,  kidnapped say in Australian, I don’t recall Bond having been there.

That would bring in MI6 and Bond, maybe have Australian SAS as backup.

Just my thoughts

[Guy Haines]

A villain who is planning a top level assassination, and plays a cat and mouse game with Bond and MI6, taunting them that they can't catch him. A bit like a cross between Silva's online antics in SF and the John Malkovich character in the Clint Eastwood film "In The Line Of Fire".

 

This next suggestion might be controversial and put Bond in a bit of a spot. A villain who assassinates CEOs of multinationals/banks etc who have made great personal wealth for themselves whilst impoverishing Third World countries and their peoples or "outsourcing" jobs from the West. Of course, it could turn out that this "public avenger" of a villain is also being used by an organisation like Quantum in a bid by them to take over the multi-nationals whose heads this villain has been removing.

 

I can't see my second suggestion being used - for the same reason that the controversial "young terrorists taking over SPECTRE" storyline was dropped as a possible plot for The Spy Who Loved Me. Too political, and some in the audience might actually side with the bad guy.

[Mallory]

Congress. 

[Guy Haines]

Congress. 

Which side of the aisle? Or both?

[seawolfnyy]

 

Congress. 

Which side of the aisle? Or both?

 

Does it matter?

[AMC Hornet]

We already have a thread sorta like this: 'The Five Types of Bond Villain,'

 

Wherein I said:

 

"My breakdown is a little different:

 

The Bloated Capitalist (Goldfinger, Gray's Blofeld, Stromberg, Drax)

 

The Frustrated Genius (Dr. No, Pleasance's Blofeld, Orlov))

 

The Crook (Kristatos, Kamal, Koskov, Ouromov, Le Chiffre,)

 

The Spoiled Child (Zorin, Carver, Electra, Graves, Greene)

 

The Physical Match (Grant, Largo, Savalas' Blofeld, Kananga, Scaramanga, Sanchez, Trevelyan)"

 

As for Silva, using Professor Pi's categories I'd put him under 'anarchist'.

 

Mr. A. Martin suggests:

 

...someone who killed not for money, power or Revenge but for enjoyment, someone who kills many to support his life style which would be murder as a personel challenge. Highly protected individuals would be his personel game

To you I say, read Never Send Flowers.

 

I like some of Prof. Pi's other ideas:

 

Cult Leader:  Present in John Gardner's Father Valentine/Scorpius character

 

Anarchist:  Like Batman's Joker and Bane.

 

U.S. Ex-Military: Like villains from Die Hard 2 and The Rock.

 

Corrupt Politicians:  Hinted at in QoS.  Maybe if another movie about Quantum.

 

And Bond hasn't really had a straight up English villain,

 

My favorite villains are usually the rich megalomaniacs.*

*Mine too.

[JamesPup]

Why not remake a new villain that is like the Man with A Golden Gun. He should live the life of what an assassins dream is today. I’m thinking of how he can use drones to kill his targets like with guns, missiles and suicidal kamikaze bomb drones. He could have had the life of a top military drone operator and killed many high profile targets and for many different countries. He could have been dishonorably discharged for killing civilians in a drone strike because of the wrong information and he was blamed and the story was kept secret. He could of helped build drones and knows all the advanced technologies and improvements that have not yet been implemented and was also a top trainer of drone operators and he was used by all allies for training and killing. He can be a Russian Muslim, who falls back on his religion after being terminated and he now holds a grudge against all people. It could be that he starts to communicate with old military contacts from other countries and the idea of killing people for money comes up, like old times. He now seeks money to kill high profiled targets and regardless of who they are. He can become nomadic in nature and takes his training, knowledge and the help of his employers to create aliases and fake bank accounts and keep himself alive. He could know how to buy all the necessary parts to build an operational attack drone and build it in no time. He can use a SUV and other roomy vehicles to transport his drone and use a laptop to control them and with high tech gear.

[JamesPup]

What if MI6 learns that Iran is buying a nuclear weapon from another country and now James Bond has to learn who, where, how and when and stop the sale.

 

How about someone is trying to start a Indo-Pak war for reasons of gaining power in one of those countries or to gain money.

 

What if someone builds a secret underwater base and plans to destroy or attack certain countries.

 

Where people are going to sneak weapons that cause mass casualties into America through the Canadian or Mexican border.

 

What if people plan to gain power in Egypt and then use their weapons to put on a full scale attack on Israel in an effort to destroy them.

 

How about a new Third Reich emerges in Europe and their plan is to reclaim Europe and restore her to her Nazi self.

 

Mexican Drug Cartels plan to cause mass casualties because they have been beaten in their drug smuggling and now seek revenge.

[Iceskater101]

I feel like the whole mexican drug cartels isn't really James Bond though.. I mean it was cool what they did with that in License to Kill but I think that should be dropped.

[007jamesbond]

Congress. 

 

instead of Congress, it should a member of the House of Lord, high up powerful and least expect to do something 

[Mr. A Martin]

It has been along time since i visited this forum and it dawned on me that I think my all time favorite villian would have to be from the film "The usual suspects"

Kaiser Soze would be the perfect foil to James Bond. Smart, Ruthless, sort of the Blofeld for the 21st century.

[x007AceOfSpades]

It has been along time since i visited this forum and it dawned on me that I think my all time favorite villian would have to be from the film "The usual suspects"

Kaiser Soze would be the perfect foil to James Bond. Smart, Ruthless, sort of the Blofeld for the 21st century.

 

Soze is one of my favorite villains and I love the film and I absolutely agree. It would be interesting to see.

[archer1949]

How about a true believer? Not a crook running a scam or a meglomaniac after personal power, but an honest to goodness fanatic believing that his scheme is for the greater good and can justify ANYTHING to carry it out.

[seawolfnyy]

How about a true believer? Not a crook running a scam or a meglomaniac after personal power, but an honest to goodness fanatic believing that his scheme is for the greater good and can justify ANYTHING to carry it out.

Like Stromberg? Or Drax?

[x007AceOfSpades]

Except I don't think that would sit well with the current direction they want and with audiences.

[hilly]

I like the idea of a Joker-like villain. Someone with no discernible motivation whatsoever, who just "wants to see the world burn"

[x007AceOfSpades]

If Blofeld could be made much more sinister and have a crazy plan that isn't silly or over the top and completely 100% believable, then all for it. In fact, it's what I'm going for in this little Bond Fan Fiction I'm doing on the side.

[S K Y F A L L]

I'd love to see Mr. White return working for Quantum and Bond taking them down only  to learn Quantum is a branch of Spectre. Bond 25 could of course bring back Blofeld. 

 

As for something somewhat different or original... I wouldn't mind a white collar type Canadian criminal who moonlights deals with the Asian gangs perhaps in Vancouver.

I guess my dream come true would be if Bond tracked down Blofeld to Toronto Canada trying to start a war between Canada and the United States...

 

 

 

 

[Sir Godfrey]

A few days ago, I saw a TV programm talking about autism and I learned there were so many autistic genius in the world : Bill Gates / Einstein / Newton / Michael Jackson, etc...

And I wondered to myself : what if a Bond vilain was an autist ?

The idea seems to be crazy and shocking. I don't want to hurt anyone here. But an autist vilain of low classification could be an excellent character.

When I see Pleasance's Blofeld who lives in a vulcan, or Drax who wants to kill everyone, I think my idea is not so bad !

What do you think ?

[x007AceOfSpades]

No. Just no. I take mild offense being that I know someone who is autistic and a family member, nephew 6 years old, may be autistic. 

[thecasinoroyale]

I'd love a female villain pulling the strings, like Fiona Volpe, May Day, Xenia Onatopp etc

 

Not just the femme fatale, but the real mastermind before a deadly plot who even crosses paths with Bond a few times.

 

I don't count Elektra as even though she twisted Renard, he did all the work and she just had him do her bidding, and she didn't appear to be evil unitl 2/3rds into the film.

 

I mean this right from the word go we know the villan is a female and not to be crossed!