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[Thevan7F]

Walther has been always James Bond gun either any model like PPK which he mostly. Sometimes P5 only in Octopussy & Sean Connery's unofficial Never Say Never Again. In Tomorrow never Dies he started using a new Walther P99 to Casino Royale, Which was reboot & Daniel Craig debut as James Bond. The previous Bond movies he was using the Classic PPK. New Q (Ben Whishaw) who return in Skyfall, Issued him the PPK/S which was a special gun for 007 as palm print signature gun which he can use only. 007 is to stick with a Walther always. No matter his classic PPK,PPK/S or the P99 again. He can use new PPS,PK380 or PPQ. What ever it is you can't switch off the Walther arms. Unlike switching him off Aston Martin sometimes. But 007 is the only in the film to use Walther & maybe his Secret Service colleges & including his allies. Villains can use any gun brand. If he has he losses Walther or not carry it somethings he can disarm the Villain & his gun when unarmed.

Edited by Thevan7F, 25 November 2012 - 08:15 AM.

[stylus59]

But Bond loved his Beretta...

[Bucky]

I was very excited when watching QOS that they had brought back the PPK. I just find that gun so elegant, especially compared to the large and not as beautiful P99.

[bill007]

The PPK is slim and trim; fits neatly in a shoulder holster with minimal tailoring of a suit jacket.

 

It is the obvious selection for a 00.  Then, and now.

[Thevan7F]

But Bond loved his Beretta...

Well that was in the books & Sean Connery era. But now it a new beginning. You know all the James Bond had their Walther PPKs. He ordered to use Walther. His colleges On Her Mystery Secret Service are using Walther. Did you know before we knew she was Miss Moneypenny  Eve was using Walther.  You should realised It all different. Beretta was mentioned in Skyfall but it Bond girl Severine (Berenice Marlohe) was carrying but I never saw it.

Edited by Thevan7F, 24 December 2012 - 09:54 AM.

[Trevelyan 006]

There is special place in my heart for the P99.

 

With that said, the PPK will always be (my idea of) Bond's gun and I am just fine with that.

[thecasinoroyale]

I love the PPK and loved how it was used during 'Quantum Of Solace' and even more so in 'Skyfall' - it was used and seen in true James Bond style, an extension of his spy arm and not just a weapon.

 

Hope to see it return in future films - it even looked as good in the marketing - pure Bond.

 

As you say, it is easy to conceal and carry in an effective way without being cumbersome and too heavy as the P99 always was I suspect.

[DamnCoffee]

I agree. The PPK is a damn nice gun. The P99 only looks great with a silencer. 

[marktmurphy]

Not being a gun sort of person, it does look a bit old now. 

[seawolfnyy]

I definitely like Bond carrying the PPK, but I could see how it is old and outdated. The P99 is nice, but too big to effectively conceal for a covert operative. I think if they were to give him a newer weapon, the P22 could be a good option. It is somewhat of a cross between the P99 and the PPK. It is smaller than the P99, but retains the lack of hammer feature, which is a nice touch.

[Mallory]

I prefer the PPK over the P99. The gun Bond uses in Skyfall is actually a PPK/S which uses the 9mm Parabellum over the 7.62 mm Browning. I think one of the reasons they updated him to a P99 is because of the caliber. But the gun doesn't look as easy to conceal but the PPK/S 9mm is an updated and practical gun.

[Thevan7F]

I definitely like Bond carrying the PPK, but I could see how it is old and outdated. The P99 is nice, but too big to effectively conceal for a covert operative. I think if they were to give him a newer weapon, the P22 could be a good option. It is somewhat of a cross between the P99 and the PPK. It is smaller than the P99, but retains the lack of hammer feature, which is a nice touch.

P22 is 22long Rife No it got to be 380,9mm or 40S&W.

Edited by Thevan7F, 31 December 2012 - 07:08 AM.

[Leon]

I think they should stick with the PPK now, at least with Daniel Craig's films. I am glad they brought it back as it's more of a style thing as Bond should be, and is the quintessential spy gun, indeed made so by James Bond. It's certainly still a perfectly solid covert sidearm for a spy anyway. He can always acquire other, bigger guns now and then, but the PPK as standard issue is just right. I was also happy to see the shoulder holster back in Skyfall, if briefly, though if he used both that and the waistband holster depending on his attire and the situation that would be even better/more professional.

This shot is marvellous. Perfect 007. Would perhaps be more perfect if the hair was just a tad less military but oh well.

http://3.bp.blogspot...597835584_n.jpg

[FlemingBond]

personally i thought the P99 looked cool. i think they should stick with the Walther, but i think they can change the model. It would be like Q presenting Bond with his "new" 1964 DB5 in Every film.

[Bryce (003)]

The PPK is what it is. I've owned three in my time. The current being my first chambered in .380 (9mm short) which I've had since 2004.

 

The pistol does have a style to it both in look and functionality. Great covert piece IMO. It's part of Bond's icon now and as much a part of the character as luxury, a tuxedo, an Aston Martin, cards and,of course, a cold martini. Combined with exotic locales and equally exotic women, it's all but a trade mark of 007.

[Thevan7F]

I read in Guns & Ammo that Walther has release 3 new Pistols. First off The 22 long Rife version of the PPK/S but It not suited to 007 but he can stick with the 380 calibre version like he always does. Now The new PPQ M2 & PPX with 4 inch with options either 9mm with 16 rounds & 40S&W with 14 rounds. I wish 007 get has go on either of 2 new Walther Pistols & leave his PPK at his home as bed gun. Start using new one these Walther pistol but not easy to wish for. I got to be a member with Walther arms 

http://www.waltherarms.com

[billy007]

Strongly agree with Bryce.

PPK is a part of Bond Mythos.

He's not Rambo with a pray and spray machine gun(a bad point in TND)

[Thevan7F]

Walther has release the new Concealed pistol CCP which may close the PPK. 9mm with 8 rounds it could be suited 007 to replace his classic PPK. With his palm prints. I leave it you what you think of it.

 

 

 

 

http://www.waltherar...cp/#.UzPVUsUUno

 

 

 

                   

[Zen Razor]

The PPK is really elegant and quite useful as well. Bond has always been seen using it at the start of his mission so it's not much of a problem to see him use something else. I find it quite odd though Bond hasn't been ever really seen using a Sniper much only time I remember is Living Daylight. Bond has been able to use quite an arsenal of weapons but the PPK is always his signature weapon.

[JamesPup]

I’d like them to stick with the Walther PPK but if real British spies use another gun that they are assigned, I would think they could use that gun. Using another gun wouldn’t be the worst thing. But that gun better be a good one. In Skyfall Bond has a PPK with a hand grip recognizer. I would think that because of that it looks like the PPK will just be modified and not a new gun brought in. It would be a new change of pace though with a new gun. I think its just easier for making the movie to use the same gun. You would have to introduce the gun every time for the reason that fans would want to know what type of gun Bond had. That would get too negatively repetitive I think. Or maybe I'm wrong.

[billy007]

Gardner had 007 change weapons almost every different book until he settled on the ASP 9mm.
Benson had 007 return to the Walther PPK and use the Walther P99 for heavy work(Just for a tie-in with the films)
Craig's opening scenes in SKYFALL demonstrate how effective 007 is with the Walther.
STICK WITH IT!

It is interesting to note that towards the end of the British comic strip 007 reverted back to a .25 Beretta.
Graphic novel reprints are available through Titan

[Thevan7F]

Well it look like 007 will be sticking with the beloved Classic Walther PPK in SPECTRE. Well Like you all I prefer the Classic PPK to the new Walther pistols including the P99. I never liked any of the latest Walther Pistols. So it look like Walther classic PPK all the way to film in SPECTRE.

[Emrayfo]

I do have a soft spot for the Walther PPK. But that said, of all the traditional Bondian accoutrements, it is probably the one I have the least loyalty to. As much as I like the classic design of the PPK I wouldn't be overly bothered if they gave him another gun. If they never put him in a tuxedo or put a martini in his hand I would be distraught. But so long as the gun is fit for purpose I'm okay (although most modern handguns all look alike and I find quite ugly).

 

But here is a true existential question for Bond's classic firearm: Is it still a true PPK if it is no longer made by Walther in their factory in Germany but is made in the USA by Smith & Wesson under licence, and almost solely for the US gun market?

[x007AceOfSpades]

But here is a true existential question for Bond's classic firearm: Is it still a true PPK if it is no longer made by Walther in their factory in Germany but is made in the USA by Smith & Wesson under licence, and almost solely for the US gun market?

Yes, the German factory still manufactures the Walther PP and Walther PPK/E, but S&W is the sole manufacturer of the PPK.

[Thevan7F]

Since Walther arms started they always have Calibre's like 380 22 long rifle & recently 9mm & 4O S&W. This month Walther arms upgrades 1 of their Pistols PPQ M2 with 45ACP we won't expect Bond to use in his next movie but it star any TV show or Movie. In Handguns base on Guns & Ammo.

http://www.waltherar...uns/ppq/ppq-45/

I tried only the PPK & former Pistol like P5 never those new models. Will like to have a Walther with 45acp Calibre?

[Golddragon71]

I did a huge overview of this very topic back in 2012 while we were all waiting for Skyfall to come out. That topic was closed after the Dark Knight Rises shooting in Colorado.

 

Fortunately I was able to copy the original post and save it on my hard drive in case it was ever lost

In Carte blanche Bond's weapon is the New Walther PPS it's about the same size as the PPK but it's a 9mm and it's design reflects the newer Walthers such as the P99 and the P22.

Of course, the PPK has a long history with 007 dating back to Dr. No in 1962 until Tomorrow Never Dies in 1997 From then on until after 2006's Casino Royale Bond used the P99.of course in Quantum of Solace bond goes Back to the PPK. and he's clearly using it again in Skyfall.

My question is then should Bond update his choice of firearm?

Pros of the PPS

9mms are pretty much standard issue nowadays and finding that kind of ammo on an enemy thug would probably be easier than finding 7.65mm ammo.

 

Unlike the P99 the PPS shares the concealibility advantage with it's older sibling the PPK.

 

Like the P99, the PPS is a hammerless pistol which reduces the chance of it snagging on the draw.

 

 

Cons

It's not the ICONIC Bond Gun (let's face it, most Bond fans are traditionalists (look at the uproar over him drinking a Heineken of a Vodka Martini) and Bond drinking or driving or shooting anything other than his "established" drink, car or weapon is akin to Blasphemy)

 

It's almost more of a lateral move as he only gains in calibre availability and not round-per-magazine capacity

actually........ that's all the cons I have against the idea.

 

Here's a size comparison from JamesBondlifestyle.com

 

 

After looking at the comparison pic i posted above I found one more pro for the PPS It greatly reduces the chance of Slide-Bite (where the webbing if the gun hand is cut by the rearward/forward movement of the slide in firing) the PPS and P99 both have the grip style so that the slide is positioned in a way that it's above and behind the webbing effectively protecting the hand from any such occurrence. 

 

 

 

 

 

Well here's a refresher of the Guns we've seen James use primarily

The .25 Beretta 418 this was Lit Bond's gun of choice from Casino Royale-Dr. No

The Beretta Model 1934 this was the film Bond's Beretta at the beginning of Dr. No before he's forced to trade it in for the Walther PPK (However Roger Moore can clearly be seen carrying the '34 B in certain parts of the pyramid scene in TSWLM)

The Walther PPK Bond's standard issue from Dr. No to Tomorrow Never Dies (Books and films)

The Walther LP53 Airgun This is the gun seen in many of the early promotional photos of connery as well as many of the Bond movie posters

The Walther P38 used by Goldfinger's Korean Guards (one of which was stolen by Bond in Kentucky and earlier used in the escape attempt from Goldfinger's Plant in Switzerland)

Walther P5 used by Moore in Octopussy and Connery in NSNA

FN Model 1903 Gardner Bond's first Walther replacement in License Renewed

Heckler-Koch VP70 fans objected to the FN so Gardner went with a weapon that more closely resembled the Walther P5

Heckler-Koch P7.....Gardner had trouble making up his mind didn't he?..(This was also used by Dr. Kaufman in TND)

Edited by Golddragon71, 25 October 2015 - 05:35 PM.

[Golddragon71]

ASP 9mm I actually really like this gun a lot because of the see thru panel in the grip that allowed you to check your ammo.....Bond used it for the better part of the remaining Gardner books except for Win Lose or Die

Browning Hi-Power this gun's been used by a lot of characters in the Bond franchise as well as by Bond himself in gardner's W,LoD

Walther P99 Bond selected this for the attack on carver's boat in the film Tomorrow Never Dies but in the Novel Q himself issues it to Bond along with the BMW 750il Bond would use it From here until the end of Casino Royale

Walther PPS Deever gave this new issue to Bond in Carte Blanche and I've taken a liking to it as an update successor to the PPK

Edited by Golddragon71, 25 October 2015 - 04:46 PM.

[billy007]

Thanks for the photos Golddragon71, but in the interest of strict accuracy the Walther PPS that 007 carries in Carte Blanche is .40 caliber S&W.

The cinematic 007 should always carry a Walther PPK,despite any other weapons used.

It will be interesting to see Mr. Hinx use the double barrel .45 in SPECTRE

[Harmsway]

What's missing in modern Walther models is elegant sleekness.

Something like the Remington R51 is more aesthetically appropriate.