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Is the QoS hate in the media right now a little over the top?


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#31 jamie00007

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:25 AM

Theres no doubt that QoS could, and should have been better (though I think all involved deserve a little slack taking into account the behind the scenes circumstances during its making that were out of their control) but going back to my OP the point is that it was far from panned when it was released, either by critics or audiences. The majority of friends at the time enjoyed it even if the consensus was that it was nowhere near as good as CR. To put it in perspective, compare QoS's reception to something like Taken 2. Now thats what a badly received movie looks like. I remember there was one point during QoS's release when it was the only movie rated as "fresh" on RT in the top 10 at the box office.

Its a trend I seem to keep seeing more and more. Movie comes out, it isnt great but is solid and generally well liked. A very vocal minority of haters on the internet harp and harp on about how its the worst movie ever made, and several years later theres seems to be the only viewpoint.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 10:08 AM

This thread is being misintepreted by some people.
Its not, "Is QoS a good film deserving of bad press" it's "Is the medias negative press for QoS hyperbole"
And yes, it is.
Like most media ventures, music, videogames etc, the media picks up on a general feeling and stamps it as the truth, hopefully thinking if they say it loud enough people won't question whether or not they actually know what they're talking about.

Whilst I understand that many people don't like QoS, and that's fine, when it's discussed by mainstream media it suffers from the same derision that Lazenby did as Bond for years and years and years:
"This is what I *think* the general consensus is so I'll just claim it as 100% fact"

All of a sudden, the media LOVES Lazenby, because someones tipped them off that Bond fans generally love OHMSS.
Now Lazenby is the second coming of Jesus Christ to the mainstream media (Well, in some departments, I see he is still derided by those critics who still think its "cool" to do so)

So, do people dislike QoS? Yes, a lot of people do, especially casual cinemagoers who expected more from a 007 film. (OOI This isnt me saying only "casual fans" hate QoS, just that the "grapevine" of people that would get back to the press generally wouldnt/didnt)
But is the press ridiculously OTT in describing "how bad it is"? Totally.

They're just doing what the media always does best, in any situation:
Taking a possible majority public decision and hilariously ramping the volume up to eleven.
"I really didnt like QoS and it disappointed me as a Bond film" has become "QoS is THE WORST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED IN CIVILISATION"

Edited by WasteOfScotch, 11 November 2012 - 10:13 AM.


#33 DLibrasnow

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:04 PM

In reaction to the question posed in this thread...my answer is no.

"Quantum of Solace" effectively ended my love affair with the James Bond series. I came out of the movie theater in 2008 sickened at just how awful "Quantum of Solace" was...just how utterly disgustingly bad it was.

1967s "Casino Royale" is better.

It's not only my least favorite James Bond movie, but its also a movie I consider to be one of the worst every committed to celluloid. It deserves all the bashing it gets.

#34 Hockey Mask

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:22 PM

In reaction to the question posed in this thread...my answer is no.

"Quantum of Solace" effectively ended my love affair with the James Bond series. I came out of the movie theater in 2008 sickened at just how awful "Quantum of Solace" was...just how utterly disgustingly bad it was.

1967s "Casino Royale" is better.

It's not only my least favorite James Bond movie, but its also a movie I consider to be one of the worst every committed to celluloid. It deserves all the bashing it gets.

You are wrong or completely overreacting. It may have disappointed you the most...

#35 Shot Your Bolt

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:31 AM

Any Bond ranking that doesn't have QoS in the bottom 10 is incorrect.

It's bad

#36 jamie00007

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:48 AM

Well at least WasteOfScotch understood the thread.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 01:25 AM

I've got to say yes to the OP. I honestly don't think there's a SF without QOS. A lot more ground was broken in QOS for taking the more serious turn of SF. I can see a lot of parallels between the two films--the relative lack of women that Bond beds, the attempt to make a film without many of the Bond conventions--to bring in new camera angles & styles of shooting the fight scenes, M's enlarged role. I'm not saying that Mendes and Company took these things from QOS but I see a lot of Forster's influence. And I think that's a good thing.

#38 JimmyBond

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:09 AM

Any Bond ranking that doesn't have QoS in the bottom 10 is incorrect.

It's bad


Translation: "Any opinion that does not agree with mine is wrong."

You're what's wrong with fandom.

#39 Publius

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:28 AM

Probably, but I just laugh about it. I love both movies, but even though I much prefer QOS, all this love for Skyfall is only a good thing for the franchise. Whatever it takes to keep Craig, and a certain other actor, in their respective roles for a couple more Bond movies is great by me, even if I'm the odd man out in terms of how I rank the two.

#40 Mr. Arlington Beech

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 03:12 AM

I don't care for QOS in the least, but I agree with the premise of this post; I don't remember anything close to universal negativity from reviewers when it came out, so it's interesting to see such seeming unanimity now that is was "the nadir of the series."

Interestingly, this has happened before, notably with OHMSS which did quite well at the box office in '69 (though not as hugely well as the entries from the height of Connery-era Bondmania) but was vilified as soon as DAF showed up and for decades after. Then there was Moonraker, which took in more money than Thunderball and wouldn't be topped until Goldeneye, but which is now the go-to example for "bad" Bond films. Indeed Dalton's entire tenure got the same treatment; I remember reviewers embraced hm as a "breath of fresh air" at his debut, but by the time Goldeneye rolled around, he'd ben re-branded as a "dud from the start" and the near-ruination of the franchise. What can I say, people are fickle.

Not me, though, I always hated it. :-)

I agree... but since it premiered, QOS met mixed reviews and divided opinion of fans, unlike the examples that you had mention of movies, that had more positive reactions in its original releases times.

#41 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 06:05 AM

Interesting tidbit: DAD, another Bond film getting a bad reputation again and again, has recently been subject of Entertainment Weekly´s re-appreciation: http://popwatch.ew.c...die-another-day

Which goes to show how the media tries to destroy and build up, just to score talking points.

#42 Hockey Mask

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:57 PM

Interesting tidbit: DAD, another Bond film getting a bad reputation again and again, has recently been subject of Entertainment Weekly´s re-appreciation: http://popwatch.ew.c...die-another-day

Which goes to show how the media tries to destroy and build up, just to score talking points.

That article was horrible.

#43 dogmanstar

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 01:00 PM


Interesting tidbit: DAD, another Bond film getting a bad reputation again and again, has recently been subject of Entertainment Weekly´s re-appreciation: http://popwatch.ew.c...die-another-day

Which goes to show how the media tries to destroy and build up, just to score talking points.

That article was horrible.


I think the article has to be parody. Really, reassure me. It's parody, right?

#44 stromberg

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 01:53 PM

In reaction to the question posed in this thread...my answer is no.

"Quantum of Solace" effectively ended my love affair with the James Bond series. I came out of the movie theater in 2008 sickened at just how awful "Quantum of Solace" was...just how utterly disgustingly bad it was.

1967s "Casino Royale" is better.

It's not only my least favorite James Bond movie, but its also a movie I consider to be one of the worst every committed to celluloid. It deserves all the bashing it gets.

...says the man who used to praise NSNA as the epitome of Bond movies :D

Welcome back, D.

#45 00 Brosnan

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:29 AM

Quantum of Solace has been getting negative fan reaction and mixed media reviews at best since 2008. Is the "hate" a little more intense right now? Maybe, but that's only because SkyFall makes QoS's shortcomings even more obvious.

Personally w/o getting into it here, it's a bottom three entry in my opinion.

Edited by 00 Brosnan, 19 November 2012 - 05:44 AM.


#46 Colossus

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 03:24 AM

It's then nadir of the series.

#47 Double-0-Seven

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 04:05 AM

It wasn't so bad as to kill the series: it was just so uninteresting. Not bad, not good; just indifferent.

I think that's a very fair way to put it. It's by no means a bad movie, but it felt underwhelming as a follow-up to Casino Royale. Personally, I was hoping the revenge angle and Mr. White would play a bigger role in the film. Instead we get an uninteresting villain in Dominic Greene who poses little threat to Craig's Bond, and then the plot about monopolizing a water supply. Naturally, with any sequel everybody has his or her own preference about what the sequel should do so there's always going to be disappointment. I just felt like it really lacked the punch of Casino Royale.

I've come to like it much more on home video, but at the time it was the first time I had ever walked out after a Bond film feeling disappointed. "Was that it?" is what I asked myself.

Of course, sandwiched between Casino Royale and Skyfall, it's a bit like the black sheep. I started a thread about it in the Skyfall section. As it is though, it's by no means a bad film nor one of the weakest in the franchise. It's just the one that's "not as good" as Skyfall and Casino Royale. Every Bond actor had at least one weak film. Perhaps Quantum will be the only one of Craig's.

#48 Colossus

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 04:12 AM

Compare the theme songs:
CR:good
QOS:ugh
SF:good

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 03:44 PM

Compare the theme songs:
CR:good
QOS:ugh
SF:good

Casino Royale: Great; one of the best in the series, IMO.
Quantum of Solace: Not as bad as I first thought, but of course that's faint praise.
Skyfall: I don't love it quite as much as "You Know My Name" ... but it has really grown on me. I especially love it while watching the opening titles sequence; it fits perfectly, IMO.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 06:50 PM

I was VERY vocal about the flaws in QOS when it came out, and I still don't like it any more now than I did then.

Having said that I did like it then (and I still do), just not as much as most Bond movies. It could have been much better with one more rewrite of the script giving the movie more character development (and time to breathe between action scenes), fewer close-ups (and more wide shots of the scenery), and less use of the shaky-cam. Those changes alone would have made the movie much better.

Still, it's not a complete disaster. It's a disappointment, to be sure, but not a disaster, and not the worst in the series.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:59 PM

AVTAK is the absolute low point of the series, in my opinion. How anyone could rank it above QOS is incomprehensible to me.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:03 PM

AVTAK is the absolute low point of the series, in my opinion. How anyone could rank it above QOS is incomprehensible to me.

Incomprehensibly, I like AVTAK a lot. More than OP, MR, TMWTGG, LALD, DAD, DAF, and even more than GF (which I think is the most overrated Bond movie of them all). AND I like it more than QOS. :P

#53 Hockey Mask

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:40 PM


AVTAK is the absolute low point of the series, in my opinion. How anyone could rank it above QOS is incomprehensible to me.

I like AVTAK a lot...even more than GF.

I am going to have to cut you off. You have had way too much to drink.

#54 Scottlee

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:32 PM

I love QOS. The more I watch it, the more I enjoy it. The pre-title and opera house sequences in particular are two of the very best in the series. I'd rank the film roughly 10th out of 23. I've never understood the hate. Never.



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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:14 PM

Yes. I always judge a film on how I feel after seeing it. How much I enjoyed it and how many times I want to re-watch it. QOS scores highly on all counts for me. I love the film.



#56 AMC Hornet

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:03 AM

As interesting as Skyfall is, It does make QoS seem more cohesive as far as Bond being an a mission goes. At least Greene had a plan beyond killing someone.



#57 glidrose

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 07:38 PM

Is the QoS hate over the top? No. Sigh, I miss the days when certain members here referred to it as Quanturd of Suckage.



#58 saint mark

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 07:54 PM

Quantum of Bourne I call it.