Is the QoS hate in the media right now a little over the top?
#31
Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:25 AM
Its a trend I seem to keep seeing more and more. Movie comes out, it isnt great but is solid and generally well liked. A very vocal minority of haters on the internet harp and harp on about how its the worst movie ever made, and several years later theres seems to be the only viewpoint.
#32
Posted 11 November 2012 - 10:08 AM
Its not, "Is QoS a good film deserving of bad press" it's "Is the medias negative press for QoS hyperbole"
And yes, it is.
Like most media ventures, music, videogames etc, the media picks up on a general feeling and stamps it as the truth, hopefully thinking if they say it loud enough people won't question whether or not they actually know what they're talking about.
Whilst I understand that many people don't like QoS, and that's fine, when it's discussed by mainstream media it suffers from the same derision that Lazenby did as Bond for years and years and years:
"This is what I *think* the general consensus is so I'll just claim it as 100% fact"
All of a sudden, the media LOVES Lazenby, because someones tipped them off that Bond fans generally love OHMSS.
Now Lazenby is the second coming of Jesus Christ to the mainstream media (Well, in some departments, I see he is still derided by those critics who still think its "cool" to do so)
So, do people dislike QoS? Yes, a lot of people do, especially casual cinemagoers who expected more from a 007 film. (OOI This isnt me saying only "casual fans" hate QoS, just that the "grapevine" of people that would get back to the press generally wouldnt/didnt)
But is the press ridiculously OTT in describing "how bad it is"? Totally.
They're just doing what the media always does best, in any situation:
Taking a possible majority public decision and hilariously ramping the volume up to eleven.
"I really didnt like QoS and it disappointed me as a Bond film" has become "QoS is THE WORST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED IN CIVILISATION"
Edited by WasteOfScotch, 11 November 2012 - 10:13 AM.
#33
Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:04 PM
"Quantum of Solace" effectively ended my love affair with the James Bond series. I came out of the movie theater in 2008 sickened at just how awful "Quantum of Solace" was...just how utterly disgustingly bad it was.
1967s "Casino Royale" is better.
It's not only my least favorite James Bond movie, but its also a movie I consider to be one of the worst every committed to celluloid. It deserves all the bashing it gets.
#34
Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:22 PM
You are wrong or completely overreacting. It may have disappointed you the most...In reaction to the question posed in this thread...my answer is no.
"Quantum of Solace" effectively ended my love affair with the James Bond series. I came out of the movie theater in 2008 sickened at just how awful "Quantum of Solace" was...just how utterly disgustingly bad it was.
1967s "Casino Royale" is better.
It's not only my least favorite James Bond movie, but its also a movie I consider to be one of the worst every committed to celluloid. It deserves all the bashing it gets.
#35
Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:31 AM
It's bad
#36
Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:48 AM
#37
Posted 12 November 2012 - 01:25 AM
#38
Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:09 AM
Any Bond ranking that doesn't have QoS in the bottom 10 is incorrect.
It's bad
Translation: "Any opinion that does not agree with mine is wrong."
You're what's wrong with fandom.
#39
Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:28 AM
#40
Posted 12 November 2012 - 03:12 AM
I agree... but since it premiered, QOS met mixed reviews and divided opinion of fans, unlike the examples that you had mention of movies, that had more positive reactions in its original releases times.I don't care for QOS in the least, but I agree with the premise of this post; I don't remember anything close to universal negativity from reviewers when it came out, so it's interesting to see such seeming unanimity now that is was "the nadir of the series."
Interestingly, this has happened before, notably with OHMSS which did quite well at the box office in '69 (though not as hugely well as the entries from the height of Connery-era Bondmania) but was vilified as soon as DAF showed up and for decades after. Then there was Moonraker, which took in more money than Thunderball and wouldn't be topped until Goldeneye, but which is now the go-to example for "bad" Bond films. Indeed Dalton's entire tenure got the same treatment; I remember reviewers embraced hm as a "breath of fresh air" at his debut, but by the time Goldeneye rolled around, he'd ben re-branded as a "dud from the start" and the near-ruination of the franchise. What can I say, people are fickle.
Not me, though, I always hated it. :-)
#41
Posted 12 November 2012 - 06:05 AM
Which goes to show how the media tries to destroy and build up, just to score talking points.
#42
Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:57 PM
That article was horrible.Interesting tidbit: DAD, another Bond film getting a bad reputation again and again, has recently been subject of Entertainment Weekly´s re-appreciation: http://popwatch.ew.c...die-another-day
Which goes to show how the media tries to destroy and build up, just to score talking points.
#43
Posted 12 November 2012 - 01:00 PM
That article was horrible.
Interesting tidbit: DAD, another Bond film getting a bad reputation again and again, has recently been subject of Entertainment Weekly´s re-appreciation: http://popwatch.ew.c...die-another-day
Which goes to show how the media tries to destroy and build up, just to score talking points.
I think the article has to be parody. Really, reassure me. It's parody, right?
#44
Posted 12 November 2012 - 01:53 PM
...says the man who used to praise NSNA as the epitome of Bond moviesIn reaction to the question posed in this thread...my answer is no.
"Quantum of Solace" effectively ended my love affair with the James Bond series. I came out of the movie theater in 2008 sickened at just how awful "Quantum of Solace" was...just how utterly disgustingly bad it was.
1967s "Casino Royale" is better.
It's not only my least favorite James Bond movie, but its also a movie I consider to be one of the worst every committed to celluloid. It deserves all the bashing it gets.
Welcome back, D.
#45
Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:29 AM
Personally w/o getting into it here, it's a bottom three entry in my opinion.
Edited by 00 Brosnan, 19 November 2012 - 05:44 AM.
#46
Posted 19 November 2012 - 03:24 AM
#47
Posted 19 November 2012 - 04:05 AM
I think that's a very fair way to put it. It's by no means a bad movie, but it felt underwhelming as a follow-up to Casino Royale. Personally, I was hoping the revenge angle and Mr. White would play a bigger role in the film. Instead we get an uninteresting villain in Dominic Greene who poses little threat to Craig's Bond, and then the plot about monopolizing a water supply. Naturally, with any sequel everybody has his or her own preference about what the sequel should do so there's always going to be disappointment. I just felt like it really lacked the punch of Casino Royale.It wasn't so bad as to kill the series: it was just so uninteresting. Not bad, not good; just indifferent.
I've come to like it much more on home video, but at the time it was the first time I had ever walked out after a Bond film feeling disappointed. "Was that it?" is what I asked myself.
Of course, sandwiched between Casino Royale and Skyfall, it's a bit like the black sheep. I started a thread about it in the Skyfall section. As it is though, it's by no means a bad film nor one of the weakest in the franchise. It's just the one that's "not as good" as Skyfall and Casino Royale. Every Bond actor had at least one weak film. Perhaps Quantum will be the only one of Craig's.
#48
Posted 19 November 2012 - 04:12 AM
CR:good
QOS:ugh
SF:good
#49
Posted 19 November 2012 - 03:44 PM
Casino Royale: Great; one of the best in the series, IMO.Compare the theme songs:
CR:good
QOS:ugh
SF:good
Quantum of Solace: Not as bad as I first thought, but of course that's faint praise.
Skyfall: I don't love it quite as much as "You Know My Name" ... but it has really grown on me. I especially love it while watching the opening titles sequence; it fits perfectly, IMO.
#50
Posted 22 November 2012 - 06:50 PM
Having said that I did like it then (and I still do), just not as much as most Bond movies. It could have been much better with one more rewrite of the script giving the movie more character development (and time to breathe between action scenes), fewer close-ups (and more wide shots of the scenery), and less use of the shaky-cam. Those changes alone would have made the movie much better.
Still, it's not a complete disaster. It's a disappointment, to be sure, but not a disaster, and not the worst in the series.
#51
Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:59 PM
#52
Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:03 PM
Incomprehensibly, I like AVTAK a lot. More than OP, MR, TMWTGG, LALD, DAD, DAF, and even more than GF (which I think is the most overrated Bond movie of them all). AND I like it more than QOS.AVTAK is the absolute low point of the series, in my opinion. How anyone could rank it above QOS is incomprehensible to me.
#53
Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:40 PM
I am going to have to cut you off. You have had way too much to drink.I like AVTAK a lot...even more than GF.
AVTAK is the absolute low point of the series, in my opinion. How anyone could rank it above QOS is incomprehensible to me.
#54
Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:32 PM
I love QOS. The more I watch it, the more I enjoy it. The pre-title and opera house sequences in particular are two of the very best in the series. I'd rank the film roughly 10th out of 23. I've never understood the hate. Never.
#55
Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:14 PM
Yes. I always judge a film on how I feel after seeing it. How much I enjoyed it and how many times I want to re-watch it. QOS scores highly on all counts for me. I love the film.
#56
Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:03 AM
As interesting as Skyfall is, It does make QoS seem more cohesive as far as Bond being an a mission goes. At least Greene had a plan beyond killing someone.
#57
Posted 15 December 2012 - 07:38 PM
Is the QoS hate over the top? No. Sigh, I miss the days when certain members here referred to it as Quanturd of Suckage.
#58
Posted 15 December 2012 - 07:54 PM
Quantum of Bourne I call it.