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"Twitch in Bondage: Why Timothy Dalton Was The Best Bond"


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#1 Revelator

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:37 AM

Here's an article published Oct. 19 on the website Twitch. The original url is here but I've reprinted it for your benefit.

Twitch in Bondage: Why Timothy Dalton Was The Best Bond
by Joshua Chaplinsky

Timothy Dalton was the best Bond.

There, I said it. I'm not ashamed. Although I suppose I'll have to back that statement up with a pretty compelling argument.

So why do I think Timothy Dalton was the best Bond? Because when The Living Daylights came out in 1987, it was a revelation for 10 year-old me - a revelation bordering on sexual awakening.

Compelling enough for you? Don't worry, it's not as weird as it sounds.

I was raised on Bond. I can't remember which film I saw first, but it was probably an old Connery one on TV, perhaps Goldfinger or Dr. No. I wasn't allowed to watch R-rated movies at the time, so I had to get my fill of sex and violence from pre-PG13 PG films. And for a 10 year-old, the Bond films were an excellent source. Somehow, they were titillating yet family friendly at the same time. There was an excitement to them, but you didn't get that flush of embarrassment while watching them with your parents. (It helped that I really didn't grasp the subversiveness of calling a film Octopussy at the time.)

Even though my first Bond was a Connery, I remember my formative favorite incarnation of the spy being Roger Moore. His films felt more realistic to me than the classic Bonds, despite their tendency towards broad humor and cartoonishness. (Hey, what did I know? I was just a stupid kid.) And I have to say, when they retired his elderly [censored], I was highly skeptical that anyone could fill his orthopedic shoes.

Enter Timothy Dalton. Dalton had originally screen-tested for the role back in 1968, when he was being considered as a replacement for Sean Connery. But the 22 year-old actor felt he was too young to play Bond, and turned it down. He was approached again in 1980, to star in For Your Eyes Only, but there wasn't a script and he didn't want to appear in another 'silly' Bond flick, like Moonraker. Third time's the charm: 5 years later, Dalton turned down the role yet again, because of prior commitments (AKA: the abysmal Brenda Starr). But the Broccolis weren't having it. They rearranged the shooting schedule to accommodate Dalton, and the rest is (a very short) history.

People made such a big deal about Daniel Craig's gritty, more realistic portrayal of the spy who loved me in Casino Royale, but those people forget - Timothy Dalton did it first. Dalton's Bond, at the time, was considered the most similar to Ian Fleming's creation, and thankfully moved the series away from the high camp of the Moore films. This was something that wasn't lost on 10 year-old me. To give you a frame of reference, this was post Temple of Doom, which I was too frightened to see when it was released, and pre-Terminator 2, which was one of the first R-rated films I saw outside of the safety of network TV. For me, The Living Daylights was a jolt of adrenaline; it made me appreciate film as a visceral thrill. This was a more adult Bond, and it made me feel like a grownup movie-watcher. It was also the beginning of a life-long fascination with Russian Cellists.

Daylights wasn't so much a re-imagining of the series as it was a re-writing. It had all the hallmarks of a classic Bond film: amazing stunts (Skydiving! Skiing!), a tricked out Aston Martin, cool gadgets, an over-the-top villain (but not TOO over-the-top), and a creepy henchman who doesn't say much. It also managed to incorporate an element of humor without crossing over into parody (although, in retrospect, the cello case sled scene is pretty silly). But these elements felt fresh when combined with a more serious tone and an infusion of Dalton blood. After the geriatric antics of A View To A Kill, it brought some respect back to Bond.

Then the series upped the ante. If The Living Daylights was my sexual awakening, License To Kill put hair on my balls. It was the first PG13 Bond, thanks to some grizzly shark attacks, a Scanners-esque head explosion, and an amoral Bond out for revenge. It gave me a taste for blood. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but were those actual nipples in Maurice Binder's titillating credit sequence? Not just the shadowy suggestion of nipples? Maybe I only noticed it during my recent rewatch because of the glorious Blu-ray transfer. Still, I remember an extra sexual charge in the air when watching it as a child. This was accentuated by my father's wry grin...and my mother's consternation. License To Kill was Binder's final Bond film, and it was his crowning achievement. He went out Onatopp.

And to those who decry Dalton's second outing as a bad Bond film - you're wrong. It's one of the best. It's the adequate John Glen's most assured directorial effort in the series (he directed a total of 5, including some of the campier Moore stuff), and is probably still the darkest Bond to date. It may have had a more straightforward plot than its predecessors, but it featured a more emotionally complex version of the character. It was ahead of its time. Unfortunately, people weren't ready for it, as evidenced by the return to a lighter tone with successive films. Dalton was replaced by that Remington Steele guy, and we wouldn't see another hard-edged Bond until Daniel Craig in 2006.

Sure, there are better Bond movies, but Dalton is the best Bond. He wasn't as lecherous as Connery, as smug as Moore, or as lethargic as Lazenby. He made the character relatable as a person, elevating him above a persona, a fantasy aspired to by boys (and, to be honest, a lot of men as well). His charm was less of an affectation, less of a put-on. He was the most human. Even at 10 years-old, I could sense this. And that's why nobody does it better.

For those of you who feel Dalton is just a slightly larger blip on the Bond radar than George Lazenby, have I convinced you to give him another shot? Or was I just exposed to these films at a critical time in my cinematic development, and therefore biased? Having watched both films for the first time in years, I can unequivocally say that they stand up for me, at least as well as any of the pre-blond Bond films. If you look past the late 80s trappings, you're left with two very strong entries in the Bond canon, as well as the most successful onscreen portrayal of the character ever.

Who's with me?


Edited by Revelator, 31 October 2012 - 12:37 AM.


#2 The Shark

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:08 AM

LICENSE TO KILL was Maurice Binder's crowning achievement? John Glen's most assured directorial effort?

Pretty hard to get my head around those two, but a nicely written article nevertheless.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 04:50 AM

Dalton was very, very good; had the quality of his films matched what he is capable of, he might have had as long a run as Connery.

As it stands, however, the combination of Maibaum, Wilson, and Glen couldn't pace a Bond film to save their lives.

And Licence To Kill desperately wanted to be an action film in the vein of Donner and McTiernan, but was bound to the parameters of a Bond film at the same time, and the result doesn't gracefully fit either mold.

Thanks much for the article, it was an encouraging read.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 05:35 AM

I won't say that he was the best Bond. I don't think there was a "best Bond". But I do believe that Dalton's portrayal of Bond had a huge impact on the franchise, and on how spies have been portrayed in the past 15 to 20 years. Think both Richard Chamberlain and Matt Damon's Jason Bourne, "SPOOKS", Jack Bauer, etc.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:03 PM

I've seen more and more appreciation for Dalton's Bond portrayal in various 50th annivesary retrospectives and such and in the wake of Craig's portrayal. It's well deserved, IMO, as I saw and appreciated what he was doing from when he got the role.

Interesting that article only makes only one passing reference to Brosnan, and only then as "that Remington Steele guy." I was one of the few who as disappointed when Dalton stepped down/was canned from the role in favor of Brosnan as I wanted more of that approach and to see Dalton hit his stride.

Nice to see like OHMSS and Lazenby got their props years later, Dalton is beginning to get some attention instead of just being the also-ran shoved in the corner with Lazenby in favor of the big four on video releases and book covers.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:25 PM

I've always loved Daylights, but Dalton -whilst being far from bad- just hasn't quite got it as Bond. He's too hesitant; Bond should have a touch of arrogance. DaltonBond just doesn't quite have the self-confidence of the other Bonds. Can you imagine him brazenly walking though a hotel lobby in his pyjamas? Happily piloting a gondola through St Mark's Square? Nabbing a suspect from the Nabutu Embassy?
I'm not saying these are the greatest Bond moments ever, but they show how 007 generally knows that he has the biggest balls in the room. Dalton's Bond doesn't quite believe that of himself.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 04:40 PM

That guy just sounds like a pedophile, talking about sexual awakenings. Anyway, I guess...good for him that he thinks Dalton is the best?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 05:51 PM

Dalton always was and will be my favourite Bond. Whenever I make a Bond-marathon I kinda cry whenever I switch from LTK to GE. Sure, it wasn´t mainly Brosnan´s fault that his movies were poor (IMO of course) since the writers choose the tone of the movie. It would have been great if Dalton could have made one or two more 007 flicks.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:24 PM

I've always loved Daylights, but Dalton -whilst being far from bad- just hasn't quite got it as Bond. He's too hesitant; Bond should have a touch of arrogance. DaltonBond just doesn't quite have the self-confidence of the other Bonds. Can you imagine him brazenly walking though a hotel lobby in his pyjamas? Happily piloting a gondola through St Mark's Square? Nabbing a suspect from the Nabutu Embassy?
I'm not saying these are the greatest Bond moments ever, but they show how 007 generally knows that he has the biggest balls in the room. Dalton's Bond doesn't quite believe that of himself.

I think there are plenty of such moments in the Dalton films, from blantant defiance of M in both films to taking on Sanchez and his entire organization are two of the most prominent.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:36 PM


I've always loved Daylights, but Dalton -whilst being far from bad- just hasn't quite got it as Bond. He's too hesitant; Bond should have a touch of arrogance. DaltonBond just doesn't quite have the self-confidence of the other Bonds. Can you imagine him brazenly walking though a hotel lobby in his pyjamas? Happily piloting a gondola through St Mark's Square? Nabbing a suspect from the Nabutu Embassy?
I'm not saying these are the greatest Bond moments ever, but they show how 007 generally knows that he has the biggest balls in the room. Dalton's Bond doesn't quite believe that of himself.

I think there are plenty of such moments in the Dalton films, from blantant defiance of M in both films to taking on Sanchez and his entire organization are two of the most prominent.


Even in those his manner is nervous and edgy; apologetic even with M- he doesn't give the impression of confidence.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:54 PM

Can you imagine him brazenly walking though a hotel lobby in his pyjamas? Happily piloting a gondola through St Mark's Square? Nabbing a suspect from the Nabutu Embassy?
I'm not saying these are the greatest Bond moments ever, but they show how 007 generally knows that he has the biggest balls in the room. Dalton's Bond doesn't quite believe that of himself.



No, thank God. It was bad enough watching those scenes.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 10:19 PM


Can you imagine him brazenly walking though a hotel lobby in his pyjamas? Happily piloting a gondola through St Mark's Square? Nabbing a suspect from the Nabutu Embassy?
I'm not saying these are the greatest Bond moments ever, but they show how 007 generally knows that he has the biggest balls in the room. Dalton's Bond doesn't quite believe that of himself.



No, thank God. It was bad enough watching those scenes.


An odd thing to say. The gondola bit isn't the finest moment of Bond, but it shows his general devil may care attitude- present in many more better examples (sadly I can't be bothered to go through the films in my head right now). You didn't find the hotel lobby bit funny? And you really didn't like Casino Royale?

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 03:14 AM

I've always loved Daylights, but Dalton -whilst being far from bad- just hasn't quite got it as Bond. He's too hesitant; Bond should have a touch of arrogance. DaltonBond just doesn't quite have the self-confidence of the other Bonds. Can you imagine him brazenly walking though a hotel lobby in his pyjamas? Happily piloting a gondola through St Mark's Square? Nabbing a suspect from the Nabutu Embassy?
I'm not saying these are the greatest Bond moments ever, but they show how 007 generally knows that he has the biggest balls in the room. Dalton's Bond doesn't quite believe that of himself.


I think he has a couple of those kinds of moments, albeit not on the same scale as the ones that you mention as examples. I would imagine that it would take some of that kind of arrogance to go against M in the ways that Dalton's Bond does, even if it's over relatively small things. He shows a certain arrogance when he substitutes M's wine order out for something else when he goes to the safe house for the Koskov defection debriefing. Disobeying Saunder's (and as an extension, M's) direct orders to kill Koskov's sniper also, I think, displays some of that kind of arrogance.

What it really boils down to, at least for me, is that Dalton's Bond may appear less over-the-top arrogant when compared to some of the others (using the cited examples) is that he's more of a tired, world-weary agent that is most likely much closer to the end of his career than he is to the beginning of it, and that's something he's aware of, and he's one that is more inclined to use his intelligence to get the job done (such as playing Kara for a fool for much of TLD, playing off her naivety that she would believe that he's a friend of Koskov's; or his entire plan to infiltrate Sanchez's inner circle to destroy it from within) than he is to simply go in, guns blazing.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:41 PM

LICENSE TO KILL was Maurice Binder's crowning achievement? John Glen's most assured directorial effort? Pretty hard to get my head around those two, but a nicely written article nevertheless.


Yeah, the LTK titles always seemed a bit tame to me. Glen's most assured directorial effort was probably FYEO, but I don't think LTK was his worst.

I've always loved Daylights, but Dalton -whilst being far from bad- just hasn't quite got it as Bond. He's too hesitant; Bond should have a touch of arrogance. DaltonBond just doesn't quite have the self-confidence of the other Bonds. Can you imagine him brazenly walking though a hotel lobby in his pyjamas? Happily piloting a gondola through St Mark's Square? Nabbing a suspect from the Nabutu Embassy?


1. Sure, but he'd be less breezy than cut-to-chase, as in his scene in the pre-credits of TLD when he takes the phone from the lady on the boat. Dalton portrayed determination better than any other Bond. I can easily imagine him nabbing a suspect from the Nabutu Embassy.

2. Bond has no business piloting a gondola through St Mark's Square in the first place.

3. Dalton wasn't good at being breezy. But all the Bond have their strengths and weaknesses--it's easy to imagine Moore being unable to do things Craig could and vice versa.

That guy just sounds like a pedophile, talking about sexual awakenings.


Huh? Lots of us grew up watching Bond films, and in many cases they helped inform our growing knowledge of sexuality. The only way he would sound like a pedophile would be if he were fancying his childhood self. And that's not the case.

For the record, despite having posted this article, I do not believe Dalton was the best Bond, or that there is such a thing, though I think Connery probably had the greatest screen presence as Bond.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:19 PM

Dalton was a brilliant Bond.

TLD and LTK aren't amongst the all time great Bond films, but neither are they down near the bottom of the pile. Both are good solid mid-table Bonds. In LTK's case, I might even sneak it into the top ten.

The problem with Dalton was always his lack of longevity. I honestly believe that had he done 4 or 5, he'd be regarded as one of the best (on a wider scale).

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:19 AM

I rank Dalton dead last but I'm not surprised the author has a fondness for his "first". Don't we all?

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:45 PM

Dalton is my favorite James Bond.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 01:06 AM

Dalton may not be my favorite Bond (he would be if Connery and Craig weren't so damn good), but he is the Bond I'm probably the most enthusiastic about, if that makes any sense.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 03:10 AM

Agree with Quantum of Royale: my favourite Bond will probably always remain Sean Connery and Daniel Craig is probably going to be my number 2 (especially if Skyfall is as amazing as everyone seems to suggest it is.) However I have grown more and more enthusiastic about Timothy Dalton as the years go on, more than Craig I feel Dalton plays Fleming's Bond and is probably the best actor to ever play the role. While I wouldn't quite place him as the best Bond, he is certainly the most underrated (amongst casual audiences...Bond fans tend to give him a great deal of respect.)

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 06:12 PM

An odd thing to say. The gondola bit isn't the finest moment of Bond, but it shows his general devil may care attitude- present in many more better examples (sadly I can't be bothered to go through the films in my head right now). You didn't find the hotel lobby bit funny? And you really didn't like Casino Royale?



Let's see. Why is my opinion odd? No, I didn't find the hotel lobby bit funny. And what makes you think I didn't like CASINO ROYALE, because of the embassy scene? Why did you make such a large assumption?

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 07:31 PM

I love "Casino Royale," and I detest Borsnan's hotel lobby scene. I don't mind some humor in a Bond film, but I want there to be at least some sense of credibility to what I'm watching. A decrepit-looking man walking into a hotel lobby, in soaking wet pajamas, with no identification or source of payment, wouldn't make it past the doorman, let alone be shown to a suite. In Communist Hong Kong, he'd most likely be shown into a police cell until he could explain his appearance. The scene is beyond fantasy; it's just silly, or worse.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 09:20 PM


LICENSE TO KILL was Maurice Binder's crowning achievement? John Glen's most assured directorial effort? Pretty hard to get my head around those two, but a nicely written article nevertheless.


Yeah, the LTK titles always seemed a bit tame to me. Glen's most assured directorial effort was probably FYEO, but I don't think LTK was his worst.

I've always loved Daylights, but Dalton -whilst being far from bad- just hasn't quite got it as Bond. He's too hesitant; Bond should have a touch of arrogance. DaltonBond just doesn't quite have the self-confidence of the other Bonds. Can you imagine him brazenly walking though a hotel lobby in his pyjamas? Happily piloting a gondola through St Mark's Square? Nabbing a suspect from the Nabutu Embassy?


1. Sure, but he'd be less breezy than cut-to-chase, as in his scene in the pre-credits of TLD when he takes the phone from the lady on the boat. Dalton portrayed determination better than any other Bond. I can easily imagine him nabbing a suspect from the Nabutu Embassy.

2. Bond has no business piloting a gondola through St Mark's Square in the first place.

3. Dalton wasn't good at being breezy. But all the Bond have their strengths and weaknesses--it's easy to imagine Moore being unable to do things Craig could and vice versa.

That guy just sounds like a pedophile, talking about sexual awakenings.


Huh? Lots of us grew up watching Bond films, and in many cases they helped inform our growing knowledge of sexuality.

That's...disturbing and scary and...wrong.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 09:31 PM

For me he was the best Bond.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:12 PM

He was a good Bond, shame he didn't do more than two Bond films.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:46 PM



LICENSE TO KILL was Maurice Binder's crowning achievement? John Glen's most assured directorial effort? Pretty hard to get my head around those two, but a nicely written article nevertheless.


Yeah, the LTK titles always seemed a bit tame to me. Glen's most assured directorial effort was probably FYEO, but I don't think LTK was his worst.

I've always loved Daylights, but Dalton -whilst being far from bad- just hasn't quite got it as Bond. He's too hesitant; Bond should have a touch of arrogance. DaltonBond just doesn't quite have the self-confidence of the other Bonds. Can you imagine him brazenly walking though a hotel lobby in his pyjamas? Happily piloting a gondola through St Mark's Square? Nabbing a suspect from the Nabutu Embassy?


1. Sure, but he'd be less breezy than cut-to-chase, as in his scene in the pre-credits of TLD when he takes the phone from the lady on the boat. Dalton portrayed determination better than any other Bond. I can easily imagine him nabbing a suspect from the Nabutu Embassy.

2. Bond has no business piloting a gondola through St Mark's Square in the first place.

3. Dalton wasn't good at being breezy. But all the Bond have their strengths and weaknesses--it's easy to imagine Moore being unable to do things Craig could and vice versa.

That guy just sounds like a pedophile, talking about sexual awakenings.


Huh? Lots of us grew up watching Bond films, and in many cases they helped inform our growing knowledge of sexuality.

That's...disturbing and scary and...wrong.



If anything Is "disturbing and scary and...wrong" it's your judgement of others on this. Calling him a pedophile is uncalled for.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:29 PM




LICENSE TO KILL was Maurice Binder's crowning achievement? John Glen's most assured directorial effort? Pretty hard to get my head around those two, but a nicely written article nevertheless.


Yeah, the LTK titles always seemed a bit tame to me. Glen's most assured directorial effort was probably FYEO, but I don't think LTK was his worst.

I've always loved Daylights, but Dalton -whilst being far from bad- just hasn't quite got it as Bond. He's too hesitant; Bond should have a touch of arrogance. DaltonBond just doesn't quite have the self-confidence of the other Bonds. Can you imagine him brazenly walking though a hotel lobby in his pyjamas? Happily piloting a gondola through St Mark's Square? Nabbing a suspect from the Nabutu Embassy?


1. Sure, but he'd be less breezy than cut-to-chase, as in his scene in the pre-credits of TLD when he takes the phone from the lady on the boat. Dalton portrayed determination better than any other Bond. I can easily imagine him nabbing a suspect from the Nabutu Embassy.

2. Bond has no business piloting a gondola through St Mark's Square in the first place.

3. Dalton wasn't good at being breezy. But all the Bond have their strengths and weaknesses--it's easy to imagine Moore being unable to do things Craig could and vice versa.

That guy just sounds like a pedophile, talking about sexual awakenings.


Huh? Lots of us grew up watching Bond films, and in many cases they helped inform our growing knowledge of sexuality.

That's...disturbing and scary and...wrong.



If anything Is "disturbing and scary and...wrong" it's your judgement of others on this. Calling him a pedophile is uncalled for.

Why? It's a damn movie, not a pørno. And I don't need your "social justice Sandy" attitude.

And FYI: I said that he SOUNDED like a pedophile, not that he was. Derp.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 11:36 PM

That's...disturbing and scary and...wrong.


Why, why, and why? Unless someone has grown up in a cave, their knowledge of sexuality and how it's viewed in society has been shaped by exposure to movies and television. Millions of people have grown up watching the Bond movies and seeing all those handsome and glamorous women and men onscreen. I doubt many of them were warped by the experience.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:53 AM





LICENSE TO KILL was Maurice Binder's crowning achievement? John Glen's most assured directorial effort? Pretty hard to get my head around those two, but a nicely written article nevertheless.


Yeah, the LTK titles always seemed a bit tame to me. Glen's most assured directorial effort was probably FYEO, but I don't think LTK was his worst.

I've always loved Daylights, but Dalton -whilst being far from bad- just hasn't quite got it as Bond. He's too hesitant; Bond should have a touch of arrogance. DaltonBond just doesn't quite have the self-confidence of the other Bonds. Can you imagine him brazenly walking though a hotel lobby in his pyjamas? Happily piloting a gondola through St Mark's Square? Nabbing a suspect from the Nabutu Embassy?


1. Sure, but he'd be less breezy than cut-to-chase, as in his scene in the pre-credits of TLD when he takes the phone from the lady on the boat. Dalton portrayed determination better than any other Bond. I can easily imagine him nabbing a suspect from the Nabutu Embassy.

2. Bond has no business piloting a gondola through St Mark's Square in the first place.

3. Dalton wasn't good at being breezy. But all the Bond have their strengths and weaknesses--it's easy to imagine Moore being unable to do things Craig could and vice versa.

That guy just sounds like a pedophile, talking about sexual awakenings.


Huh? Lots of us grew up watching Bond films, and in many cases they helped inform our growing knowledge of sexuality.

That's...disturbing and scary and...wrong.



If anything Is "disturbing and scary and...wrong" it's your judgement of others on this. Calling him a pedophile is uncalled for.

Why? It's a damn movie, not a pørno. And I don't need your "social justice Sandy" attitude.

And FYI: I said that he SOUNDED like a pedophile, not that he was. Derp.


"Social justice Sandy" LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hilarious.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:43 AM

Timothy Dalton: Best. Bond. Ever.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 12:19 PM

An odd thing to say. The gondola bit isn't the finest moment of Bond, but it shows his general devil may care attitude- present in many more better examples (sadly I can't be bothered to go through the films in my head right now). You didn't find the hotel lobby bit funny? And you really didn't like Casino Royale?



Let's see. Why is my opinion odd? No, I didn't find the hotel lobby bit funny. And what makes you think I didn't like CASINO ROYALE, because of the embassy scene? Why did you make such a large assumption?



You said it was 'bad enough' watching that scene. Are you saying that the embassy scene is far worse than anything else in CR? Because I would say it's fairly typical of the movie, and is the climax of one of the standout action sequences. I don't think I've ever seen anyone say it's an awful sequence before.

I love "Casino Royale," and I detest Borsnan's hotel lobby scene. I don't mind some humor in a Bond film, but I want there to be at least some sense of credibility to what I'm watching. A decrepit-looking man walking into a hotel lobby, in soaking wet pajamas, with no identification or source of payment, wouldn't make it past the doorman, let alone be shown to a suite. In Communist Hong Kong, he'd most likely be shown into a police cell until he could explain his appearance. The scene is beyond fantasy; it's just silly, or worse.


You haven't been to Hong Kong, have you? It's not exactly the police state I think you imagine it to be.