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[Cody]

I got the impression it was Bond 24 and Bond 25 that will share the story arc.

That is what the article writer was trying to get across, thus his excitement at the thought that 24 and 25 could be shot back-to-back.

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

I got the impression it was Bond 24 and Bond 25 that will share the story arc.

Yeah. Skyfalls story is very much self-contained, without any plot threads left hanging. A door is left (or should I say, swung) open for further Bond adventures.

[Vauxhall]

Logan for BOND 24 and BOND 25?! I bet EON would jump at that, and so would I. Fantastic if it all works out.

Also as good a chance as any to get 'JAMES BOND WILL RETURN IN _________' at the end of the next movie.

[Matt_13]

If Blofeld were ever to reenter the fold, this would be the time and the way to do it.

[univex]

That´s true. This Sherlock needs his Moriarty. Just call him Guntram and we´ll have at least one of the titles for the 24th or 25th.

James Bond will return in Shatterhand.

[007jamesbond]

when it mean by "story arch" it means that there is some kind of connection between Bond 24 and 25? like the plot? possible the villian? the ending links to the next one?

[THX-007]

P & W are really just the scapegoat for fanboys´ frustrations.

Watch this scene and get back to me on that:

QOS4EVER, I think this best sums you up

[Mavalant]

I read this online about the next one
http://filmonic.com/...-bond-24-and-25
Both good and bad things I possibly see
They said back to stand alone film 2PARTERS DON'T WORK in my opinion

Edited by Mavalant, 27 October 2012 - 07:05 AM.

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

That´s true. This Sherlock needs his Moriarty. Just call him Guntram and we´ll have at least one of the titles for the 24th or 25th.

James Bond will return in Shatterhand.

That would be Bond 25 then.

Edited by AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän, 27 October 2012 - 08:50 AM.

[SecretAgentFan]

P & W are really just the scapegoat for fanboys´ frustrations.

Watch this scene and get back to me on that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml75GSIY8mw&feature=related

Easy. Do you know what P & W actually wrote in their first draft? What changed during the work on this scene with the director? What changed during the shooting, due to the actors´ ideas?

Also, some people do like this scene.

If you think that a screenwriter writes a script and it is filmed verbatim then you really do not have any grasp on what the process is like.

Edited by SecretAgentFan, 27 October 2012 - 09:08 AM.

[SecretAgentFan]

Coming back to the story about Logan writing a two-parter for Bond 24 and 25: I guess that is a brilliant move and probably the best one to follow the massive achievement of SKYFALL. It holds the potential to become an epic Bond adventure, with QUANTUM or SPECTRE returning to create the biggest threat yet. Also, should Craig resign after Bond 25 it would create the possibility for him to go out with a bang and have the next actor start anew, after the big silver anniversary Bond 25 without having to reboot everything again. Just start Bond 26 with a new actor and a new stand-alone mission because the Craig arc has been completed by then.

Here´s the link for Logan´s work on Bond 24 and Bond 25 from today´s Hollywood Reporter: http://www.hollywood...mes-bond-383477

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

Logan is very knowledgeable of the Fleming canon, and Skyfall felt very "Flemingian" without actually being adapted from the novels. I wonder will some unused elements/scenes appear in his coming work. It is apparent that when being on their own P&W just couldn't deliver. Logan on the other hand can, I'm sure of it.

Edited by AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän, 27 October 2012 - 10:00 AM.

[Mavalant]

CR-QOS a two part story does not work in bond we all love SF because its a stand alone film. I am really glad that Logan is back but i am sure the story will be brilliant but remembered as a wrong decision in the franchise.

[Vauxhall]

The difference between CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE, compared to the planned BOND 24 and BOND 25, is that the two-story arc wasn't planned out and written before the first of those two movies. CASINO ROYALE was written in such a way that could set up a sequel, but the QUANTUM OF SOLACE plot wasn't fleshed out until afterwards. John Logan has an opportunity here to write a genuine double bill, with everything mapped out. It might just work.

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

Especially if is structured like OHMSS-YOLT: Bond foiling the Big Baddies masterplan in Bond 24 and hunting for him in Bond 25.

[Mavalant]

Those idea's seem like good ones but i am still not fully convinced but I may be wrong time will tell

[Tony_OO_Black]

Great idea. Logan is a terrific writer, and like Paul Haggis with CR he undoubtedly propped up Purvis & Wade; they're not terrible writers (DAD notwithstanding) but they don't really need to be there I would say.

A 'two-part' Bond as well sounds fantastic and, given I'd put money on Craig leaving after Bond 25 (he'll be pushing 50 by then, let's face it), could be an epic way for his tenure to end if so.

[SecretAgentFan]

Since Craig re-started Bond with CR I could imagine that he would be able to end his tenure (in BOND 25?) with a OHMSS-like romance, ending with his wife being killed.

Somehow I would love that kind of character arc for his Bond. Maybe they could even keep him for BOND 26 to have a GG-like brainwashed Bond at the beginning, trying to kill M.

Oh, one can dream...

[Tony_OO_Black]

That would be fantastic, wouldn't it? Certainly a tragic ending for his tenure; seem almost fitting too.

I certainly think Craig's Bond will actually get an ending to his arc. No Bond has ever had that before but we're now in more sophisticated storytelling times.

[The Shark]

It would be nice to get a Bond film with him in his own skin for the entire film. Not a rookie agent, not semi-rogue, not down and out, not brainwashed, not retired, and not suffering from mid-life crisis. Just an unpretentious caper free of angst.

Craig's earnt it.

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

I'd love to get YOLT-esque ending for Craigs tenure, but in my opinion OHMSS should be let alone.

[QOS4EVER]

QOS4EVER, I think this best sums you up

Did you even read what I have to say ?
I want the kind of story, that they were on the path of making.Its about giving what they started an epic conclusion

[Pussfeller]

I'd love to get YOLT-esque ending for Craigs tenure, but in my opinion OHMSS should be let alone.

"YOLT-esque" in the literary sense, you mean? I hope not in the sense of the movie. I wouldn't like Craig's era to end on the same note as Connery's. I hope Craig becomes the first Bond actor (other than Lazenby, I guess) whose last film doesn't become a cause for regret. I mean, some of us like LTK, but YOLT, AVTAK, and DAD are not generally regarded as highlights of the tour.

Did you even read what I have to say ?
I want the kind of story, that they were on the path of making.Its about giving what they started an epic conclusion

Watching QOS, I never had the sense of a mounting buildup to anything bigger. There were a few loose ends, but not a sense of a gathering storm. The film ended with a stalemate restored, much like Thunderball or You Only Live Twice. Yeah, the evil cabal is still apparently around, but the current crisis has been decisively averted. And the final scene with the Algerian guy feels totally conclusive, almost like a wrapping-up of the entire Craig era so far.

[Tony_OO_Black]

Yeah QOS wasn't going anywhere fast - Quantum as an organisation was quite bland, identikit, and I think they made the right call taking the story elsewhere.

Craig Bond's journey is more thematic, I feel. He started a reckless new agent, he's now getting older & more seasoned, the next one (or two) I suspect will be about confronting more of his twilight years, or at least a progression toward that.

[Scrambled Eggs]

Just to throw out an idea...

If the basic blueprint for Bonds 24 & 25 have been agreed upon, with the same writer scripting both - what are the chances that they might be filmed back to back?

So, 24 ends on a true cliffhanger and 25 comes along very quickly afterwards - maybe just a year between them.

[Tony_OO_Black]

Awesome as that would be to have two Bond's so fast, it might logistically be difficult - plus the track record of many back-to-back films hasn't shown a great amount of quality.

Plus I reckon Logan won't do a direct 'two-parter' technically; more separate stories with a thematic/sequel link, like CR or QOS. I hope so, at least - I'm dubious how well a Bond 'cliffhanger' would work.

Edited by Tony_OO_Black, 27 October 2012 - 05:08 PM.

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

I'd love to get YOLT-esque ending for Craigs tenure, but in my opinion OHMSS should be let alone.

"YOLT-esque" in the literary sense, you mean? I hope not in the sense of the movie.

Yes, in literary sense. Preferably with the Garden of Death.

But I do love the cinematic YOLT too.

[Dustin]

Just to throw out an idea...

If the basic blueprint for Bonds 24 & 25 have been agreed upon, with the same writer scripting both - what are the chances that they might be filmed back to back?

So, 24 ends on a true cliffhanger and 25 comes along very quickly afterwards - maybe just a year between them.

It probably would mean to have a largely identical cast. Those films that did get a back to back production - I can at the moment only think of BACK TO THE FUTURE II & III and LORD OF THE RINGS - were for the most part concerned with the same characters and storyline. If something like this was tackled - and I'm not sure Eon will go that route - they would probably have to have a cliffhanger or some major surprise towards the end of 24 to avoid giving a 'been there, done that' impression for 25.

[Loomis]

It would be nice to get a Bond film with him in his own skin for the entire film. Not a rookie agent, not semi-rogue, not down and out, not brainwashed, not retired, and not suffering from mid-life crisis. Just an unpretentious caper free of angst.

Craig's earnt it.

That would be great but I don't think we've had such a film since A VIEW TO A KILL or maybe THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS.

It pains me to say it but I suspect that the folks at Eon believe that Straightfoward Bond™ just isn't "interesting" any more.

[Dustin]

It would be nice to get a Bond film with him in his own skin for the entire film. Not a rookie agent, not semi-rogue, not down and out, not brainwashed, not retired, and not suffering from mid-life crisis. Just an unpretentious caper free of angst.

Craig's earnt it.

That would be great but I don't think we've had such a film since A VIEW TO A KILL or maybe THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS.

It pains me to say it but I suspect that the folks at Eon believe that Straightfoward Bond™ just isn't "interesting" any more.

I'd say TND and DAD were two attempts at this Straightforward Bond, albeit with perhaps not the desired effects.