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[James00359]

Anyone out in the forum have any info on this question?

[Chief of SIS]

Yup. It's not.

[JimmyBond]

While they could have thrown in a reference that we don't know about. As of right now it's looking like there will be no links to the Quantum organization in Skyfall.

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[x007AceOfSpades]

It's just a compete stand-alone film that isn't continuing from QOS, maybe sometime in the future they will go back and turn it into a trilogy, but I doubt it.

[thecasinoroyale]

As far as I see... 'Casino Royale' was a template for the future of the Bond era in tone, character and feel. The inclusion of Mr.White was leverage to introduce a new SPECTRE-style organisation for Craig's Bond to fight if they felt it was right, and with the success, they did.

'Quantum Of Solace' as a thin attempt at making a global organisation on the style of SPECTRE and Blofeld from the 60s, but it didn't work with flimsy villains and a weak plot to go after Bolivian water...not exactly the ruthless operatives of SPECTRE stealing atom bombs holding major cities to ransom and stealing space stations, so Quantum flopped as an organisation and, I think, is now binned.

'Skyfall' will bring back the stand alone villain like we had after 'Diamonds Are Forever' with no Quantum and no master criminal as they had a chance and blew it, so bring on a new, fresh, stand alone villain with a few heavies and hopefully a decent henchman!

[Odd Jobbies]

Likely not, but i certainly wouldn't bet against some kind of a plot through-line here.

QoS ended with suspicion having fallen upon an advisor to British government (if i remember correctly), and there are signs that Skyfall may involve some kind of betrayal from 'within'.

Ralph Fiennes is a big name to get for a cameo, so i'm guessing he's either Dench's replacement (as many here believe), or (as i'm betting) the traitor.

If i'm correct and it's the latter, then it's a big coincidence that QoS ends with a British government mole and Skyfall starts with one.

Edited by Odd Jobbies, 09 August 2012 - 08:54 AM.

[Mr_Wint]

'Quantum Of Solace' as a thin attempt at making a global organisation on the style of SPECTRE and Blofeld from the 60s, but it didn't work with flimsy villains and a weak plot to go after Bolivian water...not exactly the ruthless operatives of SPECTRE stealing atom bombs holding major cities to ransom and stealing space stations, so Quantum flopped as an organisation and, I think, is now binned.

I agree, the Quantum organisation was a big flop. In both CR and QOS they talked about some “organisation” behind it all, but the filmmakers never delivered what they promised. It is painfully obvious that the writers didn't know what to do with Quantum. A Q-shaped earpiece is not very spectacular.

[Guy Haines]

Likely not, but i certainly wouldn't bet against some kind of through line here.

QoS ended with suspicion fallen upon te British government, and there are signs that Skyfall involves some kind of betrayal from within.

Ralph Fiennes is a big name to get for a cameo. He's either Dench's replacement, or the traiter. If the latter, then it's a big coincidence that both QoS and Skyfall involve a British government mole.

Only the finished article will tell, one way or the other, but there do seem to be hints that the new film involves an enemy within. Also, it's said that Skyfall has "nothing to do" with the previous two movies. Does this mean a clean break, or just the "Vesper" story arc, which was resolved anyway when Bond finally confronted Yusef Kabira at the end of QoS? FRWL's story had no link with, say, TB, yet both pitted Bond against the same crime syndicate.

More likely than not Skyfall will turn out to be a stand alone story - from what we can make out from the morcels in the trailer, the villain seems to have personal reasons to get at M and MI6. But I wouldn't be completely surprised if there's a mention of Quantum even if no direct involvment.

(Unless, of course, Quantum really is a busted flush and has been wound up, its remnants going underground to plot a relaunch in Bond 24, with a "new" and rather ghostly acronym. Not difficult to guess where I'm heading on this, of course! ;-) )

[Odd Jobbies]

...Unless, of course, Quantum really is a busted flush and has been wound up, its remnants going underground to plot a relaunch in Bond 24, with a "new" and rather ghostly acronym. Not difficult to guess where I'm heading on this, of course! ;-)

I exspectre we'll find out before long

[Gobi-1]

I liked to point out that SPECTRE was mentioned in Dr. No, was a major aspect of From Russia With Love, and was completely ignored in Goldfinger. Quantum could return to rear it's ugly head if EON so chooses too. I hope they do. I hate loose ends.

Also now that Q has been introduced into the Craig era it might be fun when Bond defeats a Quantum baddie he presents Q with a Quantum "Q" pin as a souvenir.

[thecasinoroyale]

The problem was Gobi-1, that Dr.No himself made SPECTRE sound very evil, sinister and a force not to be taken lightly with the space shuttle sabotage, and we saw even more deadly assassins, masterminds and killers, including the tease of Blofeld, in 'From Russia With Love'. They made an impact and were very memorable for the right reasons. So when SPECTRE returns with another sinister plot, the future emrgence of Blofeld himself after 2 and half films worse of teasing us who he is, and brilliant villains, SPECTRE works.

Quantum was teased at in 'Casino Royale' in what could be a weak attempt at the 'Dr.No' hint...but instead of 'QOS' doing what 'FRWL' did, it flopped and didn't tick any exciting/sinister/memorable/evil boxes and was just a name to front a criminal excerise, so I don't think Quantum returning would be a good idea unless they REALLY turned the organisation and members into Blofeld/Largo/Grant/Klebb/Volpe worthy successors!

[Zographos]

SPECTRE would have been a footnote were it not largely for You Only Live Twice establishing it's pop culture idiosyncrasies - five movies in. I wouldn't say Dr. No's off-handed reference really had a huge impact on audiences in 1962. That's a pretty big reach if you're trying to suggest that they hit on something gold and never needed to expand the concept.

And that's what Quantum needs - the YOLT treatment. Not in the sense of crazy volcano plots and cheesy villains, but magnifying Quantum's properties - that omnipresent, omniscient nature that gives it such interesting potential.

[Mr_Wint]

SPECTRE would have been a footnote were it not largely for You Only Live Twice establishing it's pop culture idiosyncrasies - five movies in. I wouldn't say Dr. No's off-handed reference really had a huge impact on audiences in 1962. That's a pretty big reach if you're trying to suggest that they hit on something gold and never needed to expand the concept.

And that's what Quantum needs - the YOLT treatment. Not in the sense of crazy volcano plots and cheesy villains, but magnifying Quantum's properties - that omnipresent, omniscient nature that gives it such interesting potential.

I would say that SPECTRE is great despite YOLT! They were so much more interesting in FRWL and TB.

[Miles Miservy]

Like the Connery movies, GOLDFINGER had nothing to do with the S.P.E.C.T.R.E. organization, although every other one did. Who is to say what future havoc the Quantum Group may wreak upon the civilized world? I think the writers left several open doors of opportunity with the subtle hints that they had dropped about it in both CR as well as QOS.

Unlike many others, I was quite pleased with Craig's second film. The mere existence of this organization had stuck in the craw of M, so much so that she'd even fought with the Minster of Defense over it. And the last scene, which briefly depicted the beautiful, Vesper-like agent, Corrine from Canadian intelligence, suggested a possibilty of a future location. Considering that OO7 never had a mission there, it could make for a rich, action-filled adventure.

Yes, I would think that we'd NOT heard the last from The Quantum Organization. I do have my doubts that OO7 is going to let go of Mr. White without some sort of struggle.

Edited by Miles Miservy, 09 August 2012 - 08:14 PM.

[seawolfnyy]

Like the Connery movies, GOLDFINGER had nothing to do with the S.P.E.C.T.R.E. organization, although every other one did. Who is to say what future havoc the Quantum Group may wreak upon the civilized world? I think the writers left several open doors of opportunity with the subtle hints that they had dropped about it in both CR as well as QOS.

Unlike many others, I was quite pleased with Craig's second film. The mere existence of this organization had stuck in the craw of M, so much so that she'd even fought with the Minster of Defense over it. And the last scene, which briefly depicted the beautiful, Vesper-like agent, Corrine from Canadian intelligence, suggested a possibilty of a future location. Considering that OO7 never had a mission there, it could make for a rich, action-filled adventure.

Yes, I would think that we'd NOT heard the last from The Quantum Organization. I do have my doubts that OO7 is going to let go of Mr. White without some sort of struggle.

I could see that. I still don't like that Stana Katic was underused and find it highly unlikely she would return, although I think she would be great (love her in Castle). I think Vancouver could be an interesting locale for a Bond film. It's strange that through 22 films he has never been to Canada (although he was assigned there originally in Thunderball). I still believe there might be a small nod to Quantum in Skyfall and that it most likely will be like Goldfinger and be the one that skips it.

[thecasinoroyale]

Well I hope they don't use or mention Quantum in 'Skyfall', unless they come back in the future with an evil scheme. Vesper is gone, Bond has let it all go and they've got Yusef Kabira in holding, which means maybe they've already made moves on Mr.White or whoever's left in charge. It can't be Mr.White as all he does is get himself shot and battered around.

The best thing about SPECTRE was the mystery and cunning that surrounded them right from the start of their first mention and the amount of power they have. And also, the villains themselves were far meatier than what we've seen of White and Greene. (Actually, it wouldn't surprise me if Silva (or Mr.Silver) isn't a Quantum stooge thanks to his colour orientated surname...! Maybe Auric GOLDfinger may appear in a future Quantum plot?

Craig's Bond doesn't need Quantum if Silva proves a stand-alone villain is much more meaty to use rather than linking weak villains to weaker schemes.


IF, and that's a big IF, Quantum have to return in future, I want a REAL Bond villain to work for them, to pose actual threat and have a bigger, badder scheme not involving a third-world country's water supply.

[Miles Miservy]

Anyone else see the the pattern of color depicted amongst Craig's bad guys? 1st we have the dubious Mr. White. Then in QOS we meet Mr. Slate (just before he leaves this world). And now, our next villain is the mysterious Mr. Silva (ok... I admit that I am taking liberties with the spelling but you get where I am going with this...). I expect it won't belong untill and antagonist by the name of Gray or Black to enter the fold.

[Trevelyan 006]

Anyone else see the the pattern of color depicted amongst Craig's bad guys? 1st we have the dubious Mr. White. Then in QOS we meet Mr. Slate (just before he leaves this world). And now, our next villain is the mysterious Mr. Silva (ok... I admit that I am taking liberties with the spelling but you get where I am going with this...). I expect it won't belong untill and antagonist by the name of Gray or Black to enter the fold.

Ah, but Dominic would be Greene with envy if he figured out you excluded him!

Edited by Trevelyan 006, 10 August 2012 - 07:51 PM.

[tdalton]

Sadly, I think EON is done with Quantum. By the time Bond 24 is released, it'll be a good six or seven years after they last appeared in the series, and that appearance would have been in a film that is seemingly not that popular with the general public and is quite polarizing amongst the fanbase. I thought they were a great organization, with a great setup. Unlike SPECTRE, they've operated completely under the radar, working their way into many different facets of the global economy and political arena without anyone knowing they exist. They were able to steal an entire nation's water supply and hold it for ransom, which points to the idea that they could pull off similar plots and ones on a more grand scale in other places across the globe.

I could see that. I still don't like that Stana Katic was underused and find it highly unlikely she would return, although I think she would be great (love her in Castle). I think Vancouver could be an interesting locale for a Bond film. It's strange that through 22 films he has never been to Canada (although he was assigned there originally in Thunderball). I still believe there might be a small nod to Quantum in Skyfall and that it most likely will be like Goldfinger and be the one that skips it.

Agreed. The role of Corinne is a complete waste of Stana Katic's talent. I'd love for her to come back to the series, either as Corinne or as a different character. Perhaps in another couple of years when Castle has concluded.

[JCRendle]

I expect it won't belong untill and antagonist by the name of Gray or Black to enter the fold.

Daniel Craig as Ian Fleming's James Bond 007 in:-

[thecasinoroyale]

Genius JC! And it just oozes Fleming too!!


"I'd buy that for a dollar!"

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

And that's what Quantum needs - the YOLT treatment. Not in the sense of crazy volcano plots and cheesy villains, but magnifying Quantum's properties - that omnipresent, omniscient nature that gives it such interesting potential.

I agree wholeheartedly. And in my opinion whatever problems QoS has have nothing to do with the villains plot or how the Quantum organization was handled. If Quantum does not return I'd be very disappointed since the concept has a lot of potential.