SkyFall part three of Quantum saga
#1
Posted 09 August 2012 - 12:03 AM
#2
Posted 09 August 2012 - 12:45 AM
#3
Posted 09 August 2012 - 12:55 AM
Welcome to the board
#4
Posted 09 August 2012 - 06:39 AM
#5
Posted 09 August 2012 - 08:00 AM
'Quantum Of Solace' as a thin attempt at making a global organisation on the style of SPECTRE and Blofeld from the 60s, but it didn't work with flimsy villains and a weak plot to go after Bolivian water...not exactly the ruthless operatives of SPECTRE stealing atom bombs holding major cities to ransom and stealing space stations, so Quantum flopped as an organisation and, I think, is now binned.
'Skyfall' will bring back the stand alone villain like we had after 'Diamonds Are Forever' with no Quantum and no master criminal as they had a chance and blew it, so bring on a new, fresh, stand alone villain with a few heavies and hopefully a decent henchman!
#6
Posted 09 August 2012 - 08:28 AM
QoS ended with suspicion having fallen upon an advisor to British government (if i remember correctly), and there are signs that Skyfall may involve some kind of betrayal from 'within'.
Ralph Fiennes is a big name to get for a cameo, so i'm guessing he's either Dench's replacement (as many here believe), or (as i'm betting) the traitor.
If i'm correct and it's the latter, then it's a big coincidence that QoS ends with a British government mole and Skyfall starts with one.
Edited by Odd Jobbies, 09 August 2012 - 08:54 AM.
#7
Posted 09 August 2012 - 08:35 AM
I agree, the Quantum organisation was a big flop. In both CR and QOS they talked about some “organisation” behind it all, but the filmmakers never delivered what they promised. It is painfully obvious that the writers didn't know what to do with Quantum. A Q-shaped earpiece is not very spectacular.'Quantum Of Solace' as a thin attempt at making a global organisation on the style of SPECTRE and Blofeld from the 60s, but it didn't work with flimsy villains and a weak plot to go after Bolivian water...not exactly the ruthless operatives of SPECTRE stealing atom bombs holding major cities to ransom and stealing space stations, so Quantum flopped as an organisation and, I think, is now binned.
#8
Posted 09 August 2012 - 08:59 AM
Likely not, but i certainly wouldn't bet against some kind of through line here.
QoS ended with suspicion fallen upon te British government, and there are signs that Skyfall involves some kind of betrayal from within.
Ralph Fiennes is a big name to get for a cameo. He's either Dench's replacement, or the traiter. If the latter, then it's a big coincidence that both QoS and Skyfall involve a British government mole.
Only the finished article will tell, one way or the other, but there do seem to be hints that the new film involves an enemy within. Also, it's said that Skyfall has "nothing to do" with the previous two movies. Does this mean a clean break, or just the "Vesper" story arc, which was resolved anyway when Bond finally confronted Yusef Kabira at the end of QoS? FRWL's story had no link with, say, TB, yet both pitted Bond against the same crime syndicate.
More likely than not Skyfall will turn out to be a stand alone story - from what we can make out from the morcels in the trailer, the villain seems to have personal reasons to get at M and MI6. But I wouldn't be completely surprised if there's a mention of Quantum even if no direct involvment.
(Unless, of course, Quantum really is a busted flush and has been wound up, its remnants going underground to plot a relaunch in Bond 24, with a "new" and rather ghostly acronym. Not difficult to guess where I'm heading on this, of course! ;-) )
#9
Posted 09 August 2012 - 03:31 PM
...Unless, of course, Quantum really is a busted flush and has been wound up, its remnants going underground to plot a relaunch in Bond 24, with a "new" and rather ghostly acronym. Not difficult to guess where I'm heading on this, of course! ;-)
I exspectre we'll find out before long
#10
Posted 09 August 2012 - 05:57 PM
Also now that Q has been introduced into the Craig era it might be fun when Bond defeats a Quantum baddie he presents Q with a Quantum "Q" pin as a souvenir.
#11
Posted 09 August 2012 - 06:41 PM
Quantum was teased at in 'Casino Royale' in what could be a weak attempt at the 'Dr.No' hint...but instead of 'QOS' doing what 'FRWL' did, it flopped and didn't tick any exciting/sinister/memorable/evil boxes and was just a name to front a criminal excerise, so I don't think Quantum returning would be a good idea unless they REALLY turned the organisation and members into Blofeld/Largo/Grant/Klebb/Volpe worthy successors!
#12
Posted 09 August 2012 - 07:12 PM
And that's what Quantum needs - the YOLT treatment. Not in the sense of crazy volcano plots and cheesy villains, but magnifying Quantum's properties - that omnipresent, omniscient nature that gives it such interesting potential.
#13
Posted 09 August 2012 - 07:39 PM
I would say that SPECTRE is great despite YOLT! They were so much more interesting in FRWL and TB.SPECTRE would have been a footnote were it not largely for You Only Live Twice establishing it's pop culture idiosyncrasies - five movies in. I wouldn't say Dr. No's off-handed reference really had a huge impact on audiences in 1962. That's a pretty big reach if you're trying to suggest that they hit on something gold and never needed to expand the concept.
And that's what Quantum needs - the YOLT treatment. Not in the sense of crazy volcano plots and cheesy villains, but magnifying Quantum's properties - that omnipresent, omniscient nature that gives it such interesting potential.
#14
Posted 09 August 2012 - 08:11 PM
Unlike many others, I was quite pleased with Craig's second film. The mere existence of this organization had stuck in the craw of M, so much so that she'd even fought with the Minster of Defense over it. And the last scene, which briefly depicted the beautiful, Vesper-like agent, Corrine from Canadian intelligence, suggested a possibilty of a future location. Considering that OO7 never had a mission there, it could make for a rich, action-filled adventure.
Yes, I would think that we'd NOT heard the last from The Quantum Organization. I do have my doubts that OO7 is going to let go of Mr. White without some sort of struggle.
Edited by Miles Miservy, 09 August 2012 - 08:14 PM.
#15
Posted 09 August 2012 - 11:16 PM
Like the Connery movies, GOLDFINGER had nothing to do with the S.P.E.C.T.R.E. organization, although every other one did. Who is to say what future havoc the Quantum Group may wreak upon the civilized world? I think the writers left several open doors of opportunity with the subtle hints that they had dropped about it in both CR as well as QOS.
Unlike many others, I was quite pleased with Craig's second film. The mere existence of this organization had stuck in the craw of M, so much so that she'd even fought with the Minster of Defense over it. And the last scene, which briefly depicted the beautiful, Vesper-like agent, Corrine from Canadian intelligence, suggested a possibilty of a future location. Considering that OO7 never had a mission there, it could make for a rich, action-filled adventure.
Yes, I would think that we'd NOT heard the last from The Quantum Organization. I do have my doubts that OO7 is going to let go of Mr. White without some sort of struggle.
I could see that. I still don't like that Stana Katic was underused and find it highly unlikely she would return, although I think she would be great (love her in Castle). I think Vancouver could be an interesting locale for a Bond film. It's strange that through 22 films he has never been to Canada (although he was assigned there originally in Thunderball). I still believe there might be a small nod to Quantum in Skyfall and that it most likely will be like Goldfinger and be the one that skips it.
#16
Posted 10 August 2012 - 11:08 AM
The best thing about SPECTRE was the mystery and cunning that surrounded them right from the start of their first mention and the amount of power they have. And also, the villains themselves were far meatier than what we've seen of White and Greene. (Actually, it wouldn't surprise me if Silva (or Mr.Silver) isn't a Quantum stooge thanks to his colour orientated surname...! Maybe Auric GOLDfinger may appear in a future Quantum plot?
Craig's Bond doesn't need Quantum if Silva proves a stand-alone villain is much more meaty to use rather than linking weak villains to weaker schemes.
IF, and that's a big IF, Quantum have to return in future, I want a REAL Bond villain to work for them, to pose actual threat and have a bigger, badder scheme not involving a third-world country's water supply.
#17
Posted 10 August 2012 - 03:49 PM
Anyone else see the the pattern of color depicted amongst Craig's bad guys? 1st we have the dubious Mr. White. Then in QOS we meet Mr. Slate (just before he leaves this world). And now, our next villain is the mysterious Mr. Silva (ok... I admit that I am taking liberties with the spelling but you get where I am going with this...). I expect it won't belong untill and antagonist by the name of Gray or Black to enter the fold.
#18
Posted 10 August 2012 - 07:51 PM
Anyone else see the the pattern of color depicted amongst Craig's bad guys? 1st we have the dubious Mr. White. Then in QOS we meet Mr. Slate (just before he leaves this world). And now, our next villain is the mysterious Mr. Silva (ok... I admit that I am taking liberties with the spelling but you get where I am going with this...). I expect it won't belong untill and antagonist by the name of Gray or Black to enter the fold.
Ah, but Dominic would be Greene with envy if he figured out you excluded him!
Edited by Trevelyan 006, 10 August 2012 - 07:51 PM.
#19
Posted 10 August 2012 - 08:04 PM
I could see that. I still don't like that Stana Katic was underused and find it highly unlikely she would return, although I think she would be great (love her in Castle). I think Vancouver could be an interesting locale for a Bond film. It's strange that through 22 films he has never been to Canada (although he was assigned there originally in Thunderball). I still believe there might be a small nod to Quantum in Skyfall and that it most likely will be like Goldfinger and be the one that skips it.
Agreed. The role of Corinne is a complete waste of Stana Katic's talent. I'd love for her to come back to the series, either as Corinne or as a different character. Perhaps in another couple of years when Castle has concluded.
#20
Posted 10 August 2012 - 09:14 PM
I expect it won't belong untill and antagonist by the name of Gray or Black to enter the fold.
Daniel Craig as Ian Fleming's James Bond 007 in:-
#21
Posted 10 August 2012 - 09:24 PM
"I'd buy that for a dollar!"
#22
Posted 12 August 2012 - 01:54 AM
I agree wholeheartedly. And in my opinion whatever problems QoS has have nothing to do with the villains plot or how the Quantum organization was handled. If Quantum does not return I'd be very disappointed since the concept has a lot of potential.And that's what Quantum needs - the YOLT treatment. Not in the sense of crazy volcano plots and cheesy villains, but magnifying Quantum's properties - that omnipresent, omniscient nature that gives it such interesting potential.