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5 Ideas for the New, More Complex James Bond Promised by Sam Mend


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#1 Revelator

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:30 PM

Hmmm, the title got cut off--sorry to Mr. Mendes. Anyway, here's an amusing article I read on Twitch:

5 Ideas for the New, More Complex James Bond Promised by Sam Mendes
by Brian Clark, May 4, 2012 12:00 PM

Director Sam Mendes recently said that his James Bond installment, Skyfall will be more faithful to the complex, often-conflicted character in Ian Fleming's novels. Granted, the series has been headed this way ever since Daniel Craig took over, but to date, there's still quite a bit of disparity between the Bond in Fleming's novels and the one we see on screen. At a news conference in Istanbul, Mendes said that Craig had been reading Ian Fleming novels in preparation for the new film, and went on to elaborate a bit about the spirit of the novels he's hoping to bring to the new film. He specifically points to the fact that Fleming's last novels infuse bond with a "combination of lassitude, boredom, depression, difficulty with what he's chosen to do for a living, which is to kill. That makes him a much more interesting character."

Props to Mendes here. His assessment is eloquent and totally dead-on (although the idea that Bond might enjoy Heineken is sadly not). However, in addition to all that grit and conflict, Fleming's Bond had some pretty great quirks to go with his brooding. So, in case the series continues to consult the books, I humbly present five characteristics of Bond from the novels which, if incorporated into the films, would in turn surprise, offend, amuse and even warm the hearts of all viewers accustomed to the invincible, one-liner-spewing Playboy that Sean Connery immortalized.

1. Bond is sometimes kind of feminist!
In the movies as well as the books, women love sleeping with James Bond, but I doubt his mailbox is overflowing with invitations to feminist rallies. However, while it may fall short of the strict academic definition of the word, this paragraph about Bond's initial impressions of Domino in Thunderball still goes well beyond the safe, P.C. psuedo-feminism usually espoused in mainstream movies.

"'Whore', 'tart', 'prostitute' were not words Bond used about women unless they were professional streetwalkers or the inmates of a Brothel, and when Harling, the Commissioner of Police, and Pitman, Chief of Immigration and Customs, had described her as an 'Italian tart' Bond had reserved judgment. Now he knew he had been right. This was an independent, a girl of authority and character. She might like the rich, gay life, but so far as Bond was concerned, that was the right kind of girl. She might sleep with men, obviously did, but it would be on her terms and not on theirs."

2. Okay, Bond still has some women problems.
In fairness, I should add that immediately after the preceding paragraph, Bond starts talking about women drivers:

"Women are often meticulous and safe drivers, but they are very seldom first-class. In general Bond regarded them as a mild hazard and he always gave them plenty of road and was ready for the unpredictable. Four women in a car he regarded as the highest potential danger, and two women nearly as lethal."

He goes on for a couple paragraphs about how women talk too much while driving, and how they always look at each other's faces instead of the road and... you get the idea.

3. James Bond's most powerful enemy is probably heart disease.
Sure, Bond drinks a lot, eats well and sometimes even smokes in the films. But in the novels, Bond drinks to the point of awful hangovers, eats almost nothing but red meat, bacon and eggs and smokes sixty cigarettes a day. There's an amusing riff on his habits in Thunderball when M sends Bond to a health clinic where he eats only organic vegetables and refrains from drinking liquor or coffee and smoking. (Spoiler: This doesn't last). If Mad Men is any indication, our health-obsessed culture can't get enough of seeing people on screen indulge in the habits that we're ashamed of, so let's go ahead and bring Bond back to his excessive roots. In fact, I think I'd find him even more impressive if I watched him climb buildings and jump out of helicopters after a rare steak, four double whiskeys and a pack of cigarettes.

4. James Bond prefers Texas to the rest of America.
In Skyfall, Bond apparently gets to meet girls and do crazy stunts in London, Scotland, Turkey and China. Maybe in the next movie, they should send him to Texas and let him team up with the finest that America has to offer. At least, the finest according to Bond in Casino Royale. To wit:

"It turned out that Leiter was from Texas. While he talked about his job with the Joint Intelligence Staff of N A T O and the difficulty of maintaining security in the organization where so many nationalities were represented, Bond reflected that good Americans were fine people and that most of them seemed to come from Texas."

5. Bond loves trains.
For whatever reason, this line in Live and Let Die always warms my heart. Keep in mind, paragraph comes after Bond has fought his way through the Harlem underworld, risked death multiple times and, at the moment, fears he could be killed at any moment. I'd love to see a thirty second shot of Bond just staring out a train window, wide-eyed with joy like a child on Christmas Day.

"Bond turned to the window and watched the pretty clapboard houses slip by as they approached Trenton. He loved trains and he looked forward with excitement to the rest of the journey."


Edited by Revelator, 08 May 2012 - 07:34 PM.


#2 JCRendle

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:38 PM

although the idea that Bond might enjoy Heineken is sadly not

Hmm, I seem to remember Bond drinking beer in the books - otherwise, a very well thought out article.

#3 S K Y F A L L

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 08:49 PM

Thanks for posting the article, I enjoyed the read and the train scene suggested sounds like a great idea, IMO. Also I checked out Twitch, which I've never been on before and seen a trailer I just thought was wicked so, thanks again.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 12:14 AM

although the idea that Bond might enjoy Heineken is sadly not

Hmm, I seem to remember Bond drinking beer in the books - otherwise, a very well thought out article.


Bond shared a beer with Felix Leiter in Quantum Of Solace, I don't understand why everyone is making such a big deal out of it this time around. I think they're mis-interpreting it as saying that it's replacing his vodka martinis, which ain't never gonna happen.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 12:30 AM

What a great article, thanks for posting this! I've read all the books but these are little details I'd forgotten and I'm glad he chose to focus on those instead of the more usual aspects, like advice for Sam Mendes as to what gadgets we'd like to see return.

I was kinda speculating that the bearded Bond we've been seeing in the Skyfall photos might've meant that he had let himself go as he does often in the books and they were pulling him off of some beach to whip him back into shape, but I kinda doubt it. Heart disease was definitely Ian Fleming's greatest enemy, as Bond's habits were most likely a reflection of Fleming's own, and consequently the man sadly never really got to enjoy the fruits of his creation's success in full.

After reading the books I developed the opinion that Bond's reputation as a misogynist was short sighted, though he certainly has no qualms with using women or anyone else for that matter to further his own ends. Rather I think Bond was a frustrated man before his time, who expected more from women and truly desired a woman who was his equal and not either on a pedestal or beneath him. He clearly had a grudge against the society that made women second class but also a deep disrespect towards the women who played along with the system that devalued them. His two true loves, Vesper and Tracy, were strong and flawed and human, and not just slaves to biology and he respected them deeply for it. I think anyone looking for real espionage stories should read John LeCarre (and please do, by all means he's great!). Fleming's Bond novels in my opinion were romance novels written for men disguised as adventure material lamenting the life and freedom he had before his marriage, an institution I personally believe Fleming thought was artificial.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 12:32 AM

Hmm, I seem to remember Bond drinking beer in the books...


Yep, but it wasn't big brands like Heineken, Guinness or Lager. Rather relatively obscure stuff like Lowenbrau, Miller High Life, and Red Stripe.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 12:36 AM

Hmm, I seem to remember Bond drinking beer in the books...


Yep, but it wasn't big brands like Heineken, Guinness or Lager. Rather relatively obscure stuff like Lowenbrau, Miller High Life, and Red Stripe.


Mm, good point.

Dear god, I'd kill to see a product placement for Lowenbrau in a Bond film, that'd be hysterical...!

#8 Dustin

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 11:03 AM

Hmm, I seem to remember Bond drinking beer in the books...


Yep, but it wasn't big brands like Heineken, Guinness or Lager. Rather relatively obscure stuff like Lowenbrau, Miller High Life, and Red Stripe.


The important thing is, it was local-regional stuff. Like the Laurens jaune Bond smokes in Paris. Not the available-from-here-to-Xinjiang stuff you get in every supermarket, i.e. Becks or Heineken. Bond is keeping up the 'When in Rome' tradition.


By the by, I think Lowenbrau is Anheusser-Busch today. If they ever should shoot in Munich they'd have a hard time avoiding the ads for Lowenbrau beer.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 01:24 PM

Hmm, I seem to remember Bond drinking beer in the books...


Yep, but it wasn't big brands like Heineken, Guinness or Lager.



'Lager' is a brand?

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 03:33 PM

I'm sure Bond would partake in a Guinness if visiting the Emerald Isle.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 04:04 PM

I'm sure Bond would partake in a Guinness if visiting the Emerald Isle.


You know what they say about Guiness in Dublin? It's brewed with Liffey water. And it never actually leaves town. It just gets recycled...

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 06:42 PM


I'm sure Bond would partake in a Guinness if visiting the Emerald Isle.


You know what they say about Guiness in Dublin? It's brewed with Liffey water. And it never actually leaves town. It just gets recycled...


Yeah didn't he enjoy a glass of black velvet(half champagne/half guinness) or two on his time off.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 11:19 PM

A well-written article with some solid knowledge. Some of that will be tough to bring to fruition, but hopefully we'll get a few train sequences in SKYFALL or BOND 24 at the very least.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 12:08 AM

Hmm, I seem to remember Bond drinking beer in the books...


Yep, but it wasn't big brands like Heineken, Guinness or Lager. Rather relatively obscure stuff like Lowenbrau, Miller High Life, and Red Stripe.





Miller High Life is "Obscure"?

I guess it's a regional thing. It's pretty popular in my neck of the woods.

I always associated Miller High Life with loud, obnoxious fraternity dudes and big fat guys with Confederate flag baseball caps and sweaty white T-shirts, even though I live nowhere near the Southern US.

What novel/story was Bond drinking Miller High Life? I must have missed that reference.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 12:23 AM

Hmm, I seem to remember Bond drinking beer in the books...


Yep, but it wasn't big brands like Heineken, Guinness or Lager. Rather relatively obscure stuff like Lowenbrau, Miller High Life, and Red Stripe.



Miller High Life is "Obscure"?

I guess it's a regional thing. It's pretty popular in my neck of the woods.

I always associated Miller High Life with loud, obnoxious fraternity dudes and big fat guys with Confederate flag baseball caps and sweaty white T-shirts, even though I live nowhere near the Southern US.


Ha! To an upper-crust English like Fleming back in the 50s it was, but now with globalisation the world's a little bit smaller. Still, it's nowhere near is intentional as Guinness, Jameson, Stella Artois, and the other big brands.

What novel/story was Bond drinking Miller High Life? I must have missed that reference.


Diamonds Are Forever, Chapter 10.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 01:38 AM

Yes, I remember being astonished when I read that. It's like reading about James Bond eating a Slim Jim. I could excuse Bond for drinking it, since he's a foreigner in a weird place like Schenectady or wherever, but a German-Texan like Felix should have more pride than to give Bond something like High Life.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 03:41 AM

Well, that were different times when the US just had won the war and saved the world. They simply could do no bad and everything American was considered a revelation, not a cheap over-merchandised dreck that lost all quality by being run through marketing several times too often.

I also suspect the name 'High Life' is something that simply appealed to Fleming. He was very susceptible to this kind of romantic associations and freely admitted it; see the musings about American trains or the way he chooses his hotel in FRWL.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 01:07 PM

To quote from the article in the original post,:

He (Sam Mendes) specifically points to the fact that Fleming's last novels infuse bond with a "combination of lassitude, boredom, depression, difficulty with what he's chosen to do for a living, which is to kill. That makes him a much more interesting character."

Well, I'm confused. I thought CR and QOs were a reboot of Bond, showing him as a novice Double 00, earning his spurs and showing us by the end of QOS how he came to be the Bond that we all know and love. So from that point on, we should be seeing him as the suave, self assured agent that he has been in the previous movies. One who enjoys his work and loves the life he leads.

And yet we seem to be jumping straight to the disillusioned, bored, couldn't care less if he stays in the service or not, Bond that we saw in the later novels. (Timothy Dalton LTK 'M can fire me if he likes and I'll thank him for it.' Or words to that effect.)

What happened to the bit in the middle where he has an interesting and enjoyable career? Fair enough I could see this working if Craig stays in the role for many films and then show him having this attitude in his last film, then start with a new Bond but back to the way we know him, without the angst.

We seem to be going from newbie, wet behind the ears, 007 straight to bitter and twisted 007. So much for character development. When are we going to see some fun again in these movies?

Edited by RufusCobb, 18 May 2012 - 01:13 PM.


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Posted 18 May 2012 - 02:08 PM

I'm not sure the aspect of 'Bond begins' was really that important. Did it have much impact on CR? No, I don't think so; the entire story could have played out with Bond just in his 38-year-old prime. The same with QOS, nothing there that absolutely needs a noob 007. I daresay most of the ordinary audience will not have bothered to care about how old or experienced Bond is supposed to be in both films. I doubt a lot of people will trip over the inconsistencies in the concept for SF either way. They just will want to enjoy the ride.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 08:27 PM

I'm not sure the aspect of 'Bond begins' was really that important. Did it have much impact on CR? No, I don't think so; the entire story could have played out with Bond just in his 38-year-old prime. The same with QOS, nothing there that absolutely needs a noob 007. I daresay most of the ordinary audience will not have bothered to care about how old or experienced Bond is supposed to be in both films. I doubt a lot of people will trip over the inconsistencies in the concept for SF either way. They just will want to enjoy the ride.


I don't think that 'Bond Begins' was that important either, nevertheless that was how EON sold it to us. A freshly minted 00 agent and also his relationship with Vesper affecting how he relates to women in the future. (I agree that there was nothing in either movie that required a newbie, so I don't know why they did it.)

But you misunderstood my point. I'm not worried about how experienced he is and I'm not worried about inconsistencies between films. What bothers me is that we've just had two movies (but one story as they follow straight on from each other) where 'he isn't the normal Bond as he is growing into that'. Now, I would expect to see a normal Bond movie. (And please don't ask me to explain that, I think we all know what a normal Bond movie is by now) and yet we go straight to a bored, depressed Bond. Where does that leave the character room to go next? He suddenly discovers he likes killing again?

Can we have at least one movie where he isn't beset by personal demons and just enjoys killing people, saving the world and sh*gging women? With a few good car chases and fights thrown in. Let's save the Emo stuff for later. Bond movies are meant to be fun!

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 08:53 PM

Let's save the Emo stuff for later. Bond movies are meant to be fun!


Agree there, fun is an important element that mustn't be neglected. I just suspect the current times need a hero/protagonist - such as Bond is - to be involved to a point that lends the whole exercise more gravitas. Bond today needs a character arc that goes beyond the simplistic kisskiss-bangbang. I think you could achieve that same result without constantly emphasising drama and doom. But the larger-than-life feelings and emotions are what's in-demand now. Not sure how deep Mendes really will go there, or if this is to be a hallmark of Craig's entire tenure, future entries included.

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 11:11 AM


Let's save the Emo stuff for later. Bond movies are meant to be fun!


I just suspect the current times need a hero/protagonist - such as Bond is - to be involved to a point that lends the whole exercise more gravitas. Bond today needs a character arc that goes beyond the simplistic kisskiss-bangbang.


I'm afraid I can't agree with you on that one, Dustin. Example: The biggest box office movie (possiibly of all time) at the moment is "Avengers Assemble" (the English title) a Comic Book Movie. That implies to me that Joe Public is quite happy to pay his cinema bucks to see 'Chewing gum for the eyes'. And I believe that particularly applies to Bond movies. Fair enough, on other movies they are quite capable of enjoying adult, thoughtful dramas such as The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo ... Ghostwriter ... Tinker Tailor ... etc. But they are happy to watch something with less depth but more entertainment value when it comes to Bond.

I know this next statement will annoy some members on this site as I have seen flamewars here in the past because someone has dared to say what he thinks the public really want. "How dare you speak for me!!" "What makes you think YOU know what the publice want!!" are the type of comments that were made, so I won't be responding to any of those. But putting that aside, I do believe that we CAN TELL what the public want, as they have been coming back to the cinema to see it again and again for 50 years.

When it comes to Bond, my contention is that Joe Public WANTS 'kisskiss-bangbang'. They want fast cars, beautiful women, vodka martinis, guns and gadgets, breathtaking stunts, incredible locations, Q, Moneypenny, 'Bond, James Bond' and all those other things that the current management team have been trying to get rid of. Love 'em or hate 'em they are what made Bond famous and the most enduring series in cinema history. The Fanboys might want a dark, brooding, gritty Bond but I don't think Joe Public does. I could be wrong but I reckon that the box office receipts for the past 50 years back up my point.

So anyway, I've said my piece so I'll stop there, as to go on would just be repeating myself and it's obvious that we aren't going to agree anyway, but thank you Dustin for the stimulating, intelligent debate.

(By the way I know THIS year is the 50th year and there hasn't been a film released yet but let's not get picky, eh?)

Edited by RufusCobb, 19 May 2012 - 11:13 AM.


#23 Dustin

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 03:25 PM

I'm afraid I can't agree with you on that one, Dustin. Example: The biggest box office movie (possiibly of all time) at the moment is "Avengers Assemble" (the English title) a Comic Book Movie. That implies to me that Joe Public is quite happy to pay his cinema bucks to see 'Chewing gum for the eyes'. And I believe that particularly applies to Bond movies. Fair enough, on other movies they are quite capable of enjoying adult, thoughtful dramas such as The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo ... Ghostwriter ... Tinker Tailor ... etc. But they are happy to watch something with less depth but more entertainment value when it comes to Bond.


Well, I think the recent developments (and it is more a continuous process than any singular event) are perhaps due to a shift of the genre's percetion in the public eye in general. Bond has moved towards THE GHOST WRITER and TINKER, TAILOR, SOLDIER, SPY. Not so much as a character, but with his themes and the motifs in the stories. When I was a kid and discovered James Bond with TSWLM the films used to be described as modern fairy-tales for adults. I doubt that same assessment has come up in film critique concerning the last two films. That is not to say people do not still expect their Bond films to feature some of the more traditional elements and larger-than-life quality, only that they do no longer expect just these. They've come to expect more - or at least different.

And I think this doesn't just involve Bond's fate as a cultural icon. I think I've detected traces of this same shift, of a similar evolvement in the superhero genre, too. IRON MAN already contains numerous different seeds for crisis and conflict within the hero's character-makeup, CAPTAIN AMERICA offers infinite potential and the current BATMAN entries are practically an exercise in how the genre tries to push the limits of its own flat, two-dimensional and primary coloured origin, to come right out at the far side of Greek tragedy. The means for superheroes are perhaps different, but the aim is apparently to connect the audience with the protagonists in a previously untried manner - by Hollywood standards at least.

Sure, THE AVENGERS is a multi-dimensional explosion of sfx and plain old Hollywood-Marvel and lore. But it cleverly hints it could perhaps indeed be more than that. There could be an 'adult' subtext lying below the spectacle and no grown-up must feel ashamed when leaving the theatre.

Compare to that my experience when as a kid I saw the ill-fated SPIDER-MAN tv series from 1977 to 1979. Stuff nobody above 14 would have be seen dead with. The idea to bring these comic book heroes to the big screen and make them blockbuster material would have seemed entirely ridiculous only 30 years ago. What was the trick? Infuse these protagonists with the very problems ordinary people face, albeit on a different level, and there you go with ages-old material earning fortunes and everybody wants to see it. (That's of course not the sole reason; by far not. But in a nutshell - it is)


I know this next statement will annoy some members on this site as I have seen flamewars here in the past because someone has dared to say what he thinks the public really want. "How dare you speak for me!!" "What makes you think YOU know what the publice want!!" are the type of comments that were made, so I won't be responding to any of those. But putting that aside, I do believe that we CAN TELL what the public want, as they have been coming back to the cinema to see it again and again for 50 years.

When it comes to Bond, my contention is that Joe Public WANTS 'kisskiss-bangbang'. They want fast cars, beautiful women, vodka martinis, guns and gadgets, breathtaking stunts, incredible locations, Q, Moneypenny, 'Bond, James Bond' and all those other things that the current management team have been trying to get rid of. Love 'em or hate 'em they are what made Bond famous and the most enduring series in cinema history. The Fanboys might want a dark, brooding, gritty Bond but I don't think Joe Public does. I could be wrong but I reckon that the box office receipts for the past 50 years back up my point.


I'm with you there, the elements you list used to be essential to a Bond film, important, or at any rate at least significant and/or helpful in the definition of 'Bond' as a genre. But are they still? With some I'm not so sure any more, not after the last two films. Fast cars and beautiful women I think nobody will want to scratch from the recipe, neither stunts and locations. But the significance of minor characters for the whole venture must apparently be readjusted. Not necessarily in scratching them - although it seems when the mixture allows for it you can indeed for a time get by without them. But there's also always the option to lend these some specific importance for the plot, however they (EON) attempt to do this.










So anyway, I've said my piece so I'll stop there, as to go on would just be repeating myself and it's obvious that we aren't going to agree anyway, but thank you Dustin for the stimulating, intelligent debate.


Any time, you're welcome.