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[DamnCoffee]

Just been trying to narrow down the action scenes in Skyfall and what we know of so far.

We think the first big action set piece will be in Turkey. This involves a train chase, with Bond jumping onto the back of a train via a motorbike and then into a body of water. This is thought to be the PTS set piece.

Scene 30 involves an attack of MI6. Not too much of a action piece. We just get M yelling angrily at the security guards on the bridge as the explosion occurs. M and Tanner are probably thrown back to the floor.

Scene 64 sees Bond presumably stalking Patrice in a Shanghai office tower. We don't really know what occurs here, but Bond is armed based on the official photo. I don't think Patrice is killed here, but you never know.

There was also talk of a massive car chase on the Shanghai motorway a few months ago. Whether this is official or not we don't know, but it certaintly looks like it could be a fantastic scene.

Scene 120 - Scene 131 see's Bond back in London and chasing down Silva (Javier Bardems character) We know that scenes in this sequence involve Bond and Silva in an Underground Tube Station, Bond running around Whitehall, and through the streets of London. Silva enters the Whitehall Office Building and later escapes, as M is driven to safety by Tanner.

Scene 165, see's Bond and M in Scotland, with (we think) Albert Finneys character (Kincade). Bond and M are at 'Skyfall Lodge', which maybe is Bonds ancestrial home, based on the comments by a fire risk and insurance cover assessor covering the building of the manor house. "Top secret stuff! All I can say is: Bond's house, gas, kerosene, helicopter, grenades & 120000L water on standby..."

It is thought that Bond and M come under attack yet again in this scene, and it has been confirmed that the entire set will be blown up.

I'm not sure whether this is the finale though. Scene 172 involves Bond and Eve on a rooftop in London. I have a feeling that this will lead into the final set piece. Bond is seen with a box, the same box that M is seen holding entering Bonds flat earlier on in the movie.

[Royal Dalton]

There was also talk of a massive car chase on the Shanghai motorway a few months ago. Whether this is official or not we don't know, but it certaintly looks like it could be a fantastic scene.

In the 1991 Bond-film-that-never-was, there was supposed to be a nighttime car chase set in Tokyo, where the heroine, in a Lamborghini, is being chased by the villain's henchmen, and escapes by driving onto a high-speed ferry.

It could be a version of that scene, with the action relocated to Shanghai.

[smudge76]

Judging by the set they built on Army training area in surrey in which the set doubles for Glencoe and destruction of the main building we could conclude that this will be part of the final action sequence

[PPK_19]

Minor set piece 1: Macao, China: Bond fighting a Komodo Dragon

Good lord, that sounds terrible. Like something out of a cartoon. But everything else sounds great.

Edited by PPK_19, 14 March 2012 - 02:55 PM.

[The Shark]

Minor set piece 1: Macao, China: Bond fighting a Komodo Dragon

Good lord, that sounds terrible. Like something out of a cartoon.

Sounds like the most Bondian thing we've heard so far, in the Fleming tradition (or the 62-79 Bond films). Should be awesome on screen.

Glad EON are finally embracing pulp again. Shame about the soap opera rubbish with M.

[PPK_19]

Minor set piece 1: Macao, China: Bond fighting a Komodo Dragon

Good lord, that sounds terrible. Like something out of a cartoon.

Sounds like the most Bondian thing we've heard so far, in the Fleming tradition (or the 62-79 Bond films). Should be awesome on screen.

Glad EON are finally embracing pulp again. Shame about the soap opera rubbish with M.

But...how is he going to 'fight' it? Throw his shoe at it?

I've seen a Komodo Dragon up close, when i was in Bali and i know they're fearsome creatures but i just don't see how this particular scene is going to play out. Yes it sounds 'Bondian' but i just hope Mendes knows what he's doing at this bit...

[The Shark]

Minor set piece 1: Macao, China: Bond fighting a Komodo Dragon

Good lord, that sounds terrible. Like something out of a cartoon.

Sounds like the most Bondian thing we've heard so far, in the Fleming tradition (or the 62-79 Bond films). Should be awesome on screen.

Glad EON are finally embracing pulp again. Shame about the soap opera rubbish with M.

But...how is he going to 'fight' it? Throw his shoe at it?

Well, I'm guessing the beast is kept on a leash in the Macau casino, probably owned by some Chinese mafia head. Bond fights his bodyguard, and the two of them end up in range of the Komodo fragon. I'm not sure how one would fend it off, but getting behind it might be a good move.

[Royal Dalton]

Minor set piece 1: Macao, China: Bond fighting a Komodo Dragon

Good lord, that sounds terrible. Like something out of a cartoon.

Sounds like the most Bondian thing we've heard so far, in the Fleming tradition (or the 62-79 Bond films). Should be awesome on screen.

Glad EON are finally embracing pulp again. Shame about the soap opera rubbish with M.

But...how is he going to 'fight' it? Throw his shoe at it?

Well, I'm guessing the beast is kept on a leash in the Macau casino, probably owned by some Chinese mafia head. Bond fights his bodyguard, and the two of them end up in range of the Komodo fragon. I'm not sure how one would fend it off, but getting behind it might be a good move.

Feeding the guard to it would be another good move.

[Matt_13]

Yeah I think of all of things that we've heard about, I'm most excited about the Komodo Dragon scene. That is absolutely Bond. This final setpiece also looks to be a zinger, especially after seeing that helicopter footage that I'm sure will look even more intimidating on screen. And to think we STILL don't know what most of the sets look like!

[Pussfeller]

As long as it isn't a silly CGI piece of crap, I'm on board.

[ggl]

Long tradition of Bond fighting or facing animals...

Thumbs up for the Komodo dragon!!

[smudge76]

Not 100% convinced with this Komodo dragon story. Get the feeling it may not be correct and ever so slightly false but we will not know until the film is on the big screen.

[The Shark]

Not 100% convinced with this Komodo dragon story. Get the feeling it may not be correct and ever so slightly false but we will not know until the film is on the big screen.

Here's your answer:

http://www.007collec...g-schedule2.jpg

[Kristian]

Not 100% convinced with this Komodo dragon story. Get the feeling it may not be correct and ever so slightly false but we will not know until the film is on the big screen.

If it is true, I have to wonder if the dragon is Severine's pet or something.

Speaking of action, I hope that Eve and Severine will be part of the action in SKYFALL. It seems that the Craig Bond films seem to relegate the secondary Bond girl to virtually a walk-on and doesn't get involved too much in the plot. Vesper and Camille got to play, but Solange and Fields were pretty much left out.

The Brosnan Bonds had adventures where both women got to be actively involved (with the exception of TND, where Paris was in a Solange/Fields type of role).

Just concerned that we're not hearing much about the ladies of SKYFALL (except M), and I'm just concerned that all this "past coming back to haunt M" may reduce Eve and Severine's roles to make room for M.

An unfounded concern? Or a valid one?

[Kristian]

my take on what we have seen so far:

Major set piece 1: Istanbul, Turkey: Foot chase in the Istanbul bazaar. From all we know, this will definitely be the opening sequence. (Scenes 1- 18)
Major set piece 2: Turkey: train chase, involving Bond, a motorbike, a caterpillar digger, a bridge and then into a body of water. (Scenes 20- 39 or approx. scenes 80- 119)

I am not sure yet how the two sequences relate to each other. The train chase could come after the title sequence and be intercut with the attack on MI6 in London. It could also come later in the movie, possibly after the China sequences and before the chase in the London underground.

Minor set piece 1: Macao, China: Bond fighting a Komodo Dragon and a bodyguard on a floating casino (approx. scenes 68-80?)

Minor set piece 2: London, UK: Foot chase in Whitehall and the London Underground ending with M being brought to safety in Scotland(approx. scenes 120- 134).

Major set piece 3: Scotland, UK: Major assault on a lodge house held by Bond.

Just been trying to narrow down the action scenes in Skyfall and what we know of so far.

We think the first big action set piece will be in Turkey. This involves a train chase, with Bond jumping onto the back of a train via a motorbike and then into a body of water. This is thought to be the PTS set piece.

Scene 30 involves an attack of MI6. Not too much of a action piece. We just get M yelling angrily at the security guards on the bridge as the explosion occurs. M and Tanner are probably thrown back to the floor.

Scene 64 sees Bond presumably stalking Patrice in a Shanghai office tower. We don't really know what occurs here, but Bond is armed based on the official photo. I don't think Patrice is killed here, but you never know.

There was also talk of a massive car chase on the Shanghai motorway a few months ago. Whether this is official or not we don't know, but it certaintly looks like it could be a fantastic scene.

Scene 120 - Scene 131 see's Bond back in London and chasing down Silva (Javier Bardems character) We know that scenes in this sequence involve Bond and Silva in an Underground Tube Station, Bond running around Whitehall, and through the streets of London. Silva enters the Whitehall Office Building and later escapes, as M is driven to safety by Tanner.

Scene 165, see's Bond and M in Scotland, with (we think) Albert Finneys character (Kincade). Bond and M are at 'Skyfall Lodge', which maybe is Bonds ancestrial home, based on the comments by a fire risk and insurance cover assessor covering the building of the manor house. "Top secret stuff! All I can say is: Bond's house, gas, kerosene, helicopter, grenades & 120000L water on standby..."

It is thought that Bond and M come under attack yet again in this scene, and it has been confirmed that the entire set will be blown up.

I'm not sure whether this is the finale though. Scene 172 involves Bond and Eve on a rooftop in London. I have a feeling that this will lead into the final set piece. Bond is seen with a box, the same box that M is seen holding entering Bonds flat earlier on in the movie.

If the foot chase in the Istanbul bazaar is true, then it is recycled from a draft of the TWINE script. In it, right after the bomb blows up in the FSB station injuring Zukovsky, Bond and Christmas were supposed to get dual chase scenes where Bond chases the Bull through the bazaar, and Christmas gets separated from him and gets chased by another baddie. This eventually led to them both getting caught and transported to the maiden tower, like in the movie.

I would've thought it would've made a good scene. I think Apted nixed it from TWINE for running time reasons. Hopefully it will make a comeback in SKYFALL....

[The Shark]

Speaking of action, I hope that Eve and Severine will be part of the action in SKYFALL. It seems that the Craig Bond films seem to relegate the secondary Bond girl to virtually a walk-on and doesn't get involved too much in the plot. Vesper and Camille got to play, but Solange and Fields were pretty much left out.

Why do all of the Bond girls have to be rambettes?

[Major Tallon]

Speaking of action, I hope that Eve and Severine will be part of the action in SKYFALL. It seems that the Craig Bond films seem to relegate the secondary Bond girl to virtually a walk-on and doesn't get involved too much in the plot. Vesper and Camille got to play, but Solange and Fields were pretty much left out.

Why do all of the Bond girls have to be rambettes?

It varies from film to film. Neither of the CR girls were.

[Captain Tightpants]

Why do all of the Bond girls have to be rambettes?

Consider Wei Lin and Christmas Jones as a comparison. Just hear me out on this one:

- In TOMORROW NEVER DIES, Wei Lin was handcuffed to Bond. They overpowered Carver's men, jumped out of the window and slid down the side of the building. Then they rode a motorcycle across Saigon, culminating with a jump over a helicopter, before getting back down to ground level to slide under it and throw a weighted line into its tail rotor.

- In THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH, Bond engaged in a shoot-out with Renard's men in the missile silo, then escaped the bomb blast by using the force of the explosion to propel himself the length of the tunnel. It was here the Jones triggered the blast doors to contain the explosion. Bond then grabbed her, shot the cylinders of propellant, and rode the elevator to the top of the silo.

The difference between these two scenes is that Wei Lin is a much more active participant. Many aspects of the scene only work because of her presence. Jones, on the other hand, only hot-wires the blast doors and rides the elevator rig back up.

The point I'm trying to make here is that Eve and Severine can take part in SKYFALL's action on different levels. Just because they're involved in the action, it doesn't mean that they will participate at the same level as Bond.

[ggl]

By the way, apparently no Eve nor Severine in Surrey. No Bond girls in the final climax (only M).

That´s not really "classic" Bond, is it?

[Captain Tightpants]

That´s not really "classic" Bond, is it?

Tatiana wasn't involved in the finale of FRWL. She was unconscious during the fight with Red Grant, was not present for the helicopter scene, did nothing on the boat, and was powerless in the fight with Klebb.

[univex]

Quite right. Although one could argue that she was there. Doesn´t the scene with Eve happen after the big caboom at the lodge though?

[PPK_19]

That´s not really "classic" Bond, is it?

Tatiana wasn't involved in the finale of FRWL. She was unconscious during the fight with Red Grant, was not present for the helicopter scene, did nothing on the boat, and was powerless in the fight with Klebb.

This was typical of the 'Bond girls' of old though wasn't it? Up until around TSWL most of the Bond girls were useless, just window-dressing, until Triple X and Octopussy kicked some in their respective films.

Severine will be equally as useless as the Bond girls in the Connery era, i'm guessing. Perhaps Eve will be more involved but we're deluding ourselves if we think we're going to see Severine or Eve on par with, say, Jinx from DAD.

[ggl]

Quite right. Although one could argue that she was there. Doesn´t the scene with Eve happen after the big caboom at the lodge though?

Precisely. She was there as the "damsel in distress". And don´t forget who shot Klebb...
This time the damsel in distress may be... M?

[univex]

Call me misogynist if you will, but I much prefer the damsel in distress Bond woman than the a** kicking-leather wearing-smart a**-Bond equal-pant wearing-kung fu Bond girl. CR was wonderful in that aspect, GE as well, even with that psycho bitch Zenia (Zenias and Fatimas are fine...quite fine), TWINE (say what you will about the film, no a** kicking Bond girl there...cigar girl was fine). If Eve is an agent, I´m fine with that, just no a** kicking female cat woman 00s, please). Now, a femme fatale who can kill with a kiss, squeeze a man with her tighs, trow a knife she wears under her dress, ...that´s fine by me. Or even Electra, who was manipulative. But no kung fu yo momma girls, again, please.

That being said, I find it wonderful that Judi Dench doesn´t know Kung Fu nor likes to wear tight maroon leather....I think.

[Kristian]

Call me misogynist if you will, but I much prefer the damsel in distress Bond woman than the a** kicking-leather wearing-smart a**-Bond equal-pant wearing-kung fu Bond girl. CR was wonderful in that aspect, GE as well, even with that psycho bitch Zenia (Zenias and Fatimas are fine...quite fine), TWINE (say what you will about the film, no a** kicking Bond girl there...cigar girl was fine). If Eve is an agent, I´m fine with that, just no a** kicking female cat woman 00s, please). Now, a femme fatale who can kill with a kiss, squeeze a man with her tighs, trow a knife she wears under her dress, ...that´s fine by me. Or even Electra, who was manipulative. But no kung fu yo momma girls, again, please.

That being said, I find it wonderful that Judi Dench doesn´t know Kung Fu nor likes to wear tight maroon leather....I think.

Like Captain T. wrote, the women can be deeply involved in the story without being azzkickerz. In fact, as I wrote elsewhere here, the "Female Bond" is my least favorite type of Bond Girl. Seems like such a lazy way to create a strong female character in a Bond film. I much prefer characters like Christmas or Natalya who are innocent bystanders who get pulled into the fray, and femme fatales like Xenia and Lupe. When I heard Eve was a field agent, my reaction was "!"

Consider Lupe from LTK. She was involved in the action without having to wave a gun. She used her wiles and manipulation to work against Sanchez with Bond. And she was the one who kickstarted the whole flick by cheating on Sanchez and forcing him to come after her. Like Christmas, I think Lupe is one of the most underrated Bond Girls. Speaking of Dr. Jones, the second-to-the-last draft of TWINE actually had Christmas be a far more active participant in the action scenes. But Michael Apted said in the commentary that the women were taking over the movie from Bond, and so one of Bruce Fierstein tweaked the script to be more Bond-centered, the relationship between him and Christmas was made less flirtatious and more of a partnership - at least until the end.

I guess for SKYFALL, I would like to see Eve and Severine echo the Pam/Lupe participation in LTK. I liked how both women survived at the end.

[J B]

With regard to the komodo dragon scene, I can see some Live and Let Die influence possibly taking place here. It's very reminiscent of Bond's escape from the alligators, in my opinion.

[smudge76]

Not 100% convinced with this Komodo dragon story. Get the feeling it may not be correct and ever so slightly false but we will not know until the film is on the big screen.

Here's your answer:

http://www.007collec...g-schedule2.jpg

Not 100% convinced with this Komodo dragon story. Get the feeling it may not be correct and ever so slightly false but we will not know until the film is on the big screen.

Here's your answer:

http://www.007collec...g-schedule2.jpg

Take your talking about floating dragon cashier ?? a floating dragon is not a Komodo dragon. If that is what your suggesting, because i am not to sure. Need to be a bit clear on this one.

[Royal Dalton]

The information came from the French James Bond Fan Club, who'd been invited onto the set for the filming of a scene that involved James Bond fighting a security guard, and featured a Komodo Dragon.

Whether it's a real Komodo Dragon, or not, remains to be seen.

[thecasinoroyale]

For some reason, I don't like the focus of 'M' being pretty much Daniel Craig's new Bond girl...the London scenes I understand and to what I beleive the Scotland shots, but I sort of wish he would have the duo of a real Bond girl, not just 'M' linking him all the way through the films...I dunno.

Probably spouting rubbish, just a little niggle of mine that's come to a head, I hope we soon get an 'M' that simply does what 'M' should do and not get so involved in Bond's mission so much it's like it's the Bond and M show.


Rant over...sorry...!!

[Matt_13]

I still don't see where people have an issue with the Bond-M dynamic. I think it works fine, doesn't feel forced, and makes use of two fantastic actors who hold the screen well together. There will be plenty of time for M to simply dish James his mission and send him off after Craig is through with the role (and maybe even after Skyfall, for all we know). For the time being, I like the complexity it has added to the series and enjoy the interactions for what they are.