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#1 DamnCoffee

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 04:17 PM

Just wondered if anyone has any ideas of what risks the producers could take in future Bond films. Bond is always into keeping up with the times, and since the Craig era is closely connected, I was wondering what new things the producers could try to keep the franchise moving forward.

I few ideas I have...
  • Bond actually failing on a mission. Maybe he's too late to stop a nuclear countdown, and it blows up a main city. Would be very interesting to see Bond deal with thousands of peoples blood on his hands.
  • Bond abusing his power. I love what they did with Doctor Who. In The Waters of Mars, The Doctor saves Adolade Brooke on Mars, even though she was meant to die, and it was a fixed point in time. The Doctor being the last of the Time Lords becomes arrogant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-9tuPVzobI
Amazing scene. I know since Doctor Who is Sci Fi, Bond can't really do something like that. But it would be interesting. Bond maybe being
the last of the Double O section. Killing people who he thinks deserves to die, even though he hasn't been asked too.
  • Bond going into retirement would be interesting to see. If Craig does indeed stay for 5 more Bond films. Address his age, and issues. It's something I can see the franchise doing. Bond being too old for the service. etc.
  • Something which I've always considered great, and it's kind of going back to point 1. The end of the Moonraker novel. Sacrfice a few to save thousands. Bond bringing down a missile onto a small city that was aimed at a much larger one like New York or even London.

Edited by Mharkin, 25 February 2012 - 04:18 PM.


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 04:46 PM

Bond failing on a mission? - I doubt the producers would let that happen at the end of the film, but at the end of the pre title credits - well it would work because it's already happened in DAD. It would have made for an even more interesting send off for Pierce Brosnan, were it not for the 40th anniversary hang ups the film was loaded with.

I've already suggested on this site a diversion which didn't meet with universal acclaim, but I'll repeat it - that "M" - the "M" for example who succeeds the current incumbent - is found to be working for the opposition, and it's down to Bond to prove this, with his own side trying to stop him. If nothing else, the infamous scene from the start of the book TMWTGG finally could be worked into the film series, with Bond confronting M with a gun not at the start of the story but the end, and not because 007 is brainwashed but because he has proof that his superior is a traitor.

Have I gone too far yet again with this plot suggestion? Let's see.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:08 PM

That would work.

I've also had the thought of Bond killing M early in a film, only to have him / her revealed in the final scene as alive -- Bond's "treachery" was necessary to bring out a high-level government traitor, but only M and Bond were on to the ruse. Half the film would have MI6 believing Bond to be rogue, going after him, with M in hiding presumed "dead."

Edited by Binyamin, 25 February 2012 - 06:09 PM.


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:11 PM

Actually, MHarkin, the Casino Royale mission was a failure - albeit not through Bond's actions.

Bond won the game and kept the money from Le Chiffre, but Vesper double-crossed him and turned the money over to Gettler. Although we saw the case containing the bank drafts fall into the water, Mr. White appeared to have it as he departed the scene.

So Quantum not only got their money back, they also came out ahead $50m, thanks in part to the CIA and SIS.

Of course, they ultimately lost a bundle destabilizing the Bolivian government, damming the water supplly and paying off Medrano and the Colonel of Police, so perhaps it worked out in the end.

And Guy, as far as we can tell from snippets of info coming out of the Skyfall filming, Bond may well be the last 00 agent, so we may see that scenario play out as well.

I do like the idea of Bond confronting M, though, although I'd rather it was through brainwashing or whatever, as having the boss turn out to be a wrong 'un was already done in Mission Impossible. Again, however, the idea of M's replacement being rotten might be a plot point in Skyfall.

The 'new territory' I'd like to see Craig's Bond enter is actually old territory - I'd like to see him enjoying himself a little in the future. That for me has always seemed to be Bond's raison d'etre - if he isn't enjoying some high life along the way, it diminishes my enjoyment of watching him work.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 10:48 PM

Actually, MHarkin, the Casino Royale mission was a failure - albeit not through Bond's actions.

Bond won the game and kept the money from Le Chiffre, but Vesper double-crossed him and turned the money over to Gettler. Although we saw the case containing the bank drafts fall into the water, Mr. White appeared to have it as he departed the scene.

So Quantum not only got their money back, they also came out ahead $50m, thanks in part to the CIA and SIS.

Of course, they ultimately lost a bundle destabilizing the Bolivian government, damming the water supplly and paying off Medrano and the Colonel of Police, so perhaps it worked out in the end.


I don't think that the mission was a failure just because MI6 lost the money. It was a failure because Le Chiffre was killed. As a result they couldn't get the information they wanted from him about Quantum as M says in the mission debrief in the middle of Casino Royale.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:05 PM

Bond going into retirement would be interesting to see. If Craig does indeed stay for 5 more Bond films. Address his age, and issues. It's something I can see the franchise doing. Bond being too old for the service. etc

There was a rumour a while ago that Bond would be retired - or at least inactive - at the start of SKYFALL, and recalled to active duty.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:28 PM

There was a rumour a while ago that Bond would be retired - or at least inactive - at the start of SKYFALL, and recalled to active duty.


That's become an old saw too; the notion of 'James Bond is called out of retirement' has been around since NSNA was filming. I hope we never see it, as it then draws attention to Bond's advanced years, just before he's recast/rebooted again.

Better to keep him contemporary and ageless again. I think modern audiences are mature and savvy enough to understand and handle it.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:37 PM

I think most of that rumour about SKYFALL was designed to explain the beard.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:12 AM

Bond failing a mission would be a direction I'd like to see them take in an upcoming film.

It could play into another idea for a new direction I'd like to see them take, which would be to have a twist ending to a film. It would have to be setup so that there are two films with a singular storyline running through them, with the first film ending with the villain being revealed to be someone unexpected, and that Bond's actions throughout the story have been manipulated in some way by this person, with Bond's failure in the mission being tied to the fact that he, nor anyone else, realized this person to be the villain until it was too late. The second film would be about Bond going after this person and stopping their grand scheme before it's too late.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 02:44 AM

That would work.

I've also had the thought of Bond killing M early in a film, only to have him / her revealed in the final scene as alive -- Bond's "treachery" was necessary to bring out a high-level government traitor, but only M and Bond were on to the ruse. Half the film would have MI6 believing Bond to be rogue, going after him, with M in hiding presumed "dead."


I feel the "back from the dead" twist has been done to death by the films--Bond in YOLT, Blofeld in DAF, 006 in GE, Moon in DAD.

I'd like to see a true female villain. The twist that the Bond girl and the villain are one and the same was a really good one in TWINE. Unfortunately, they muddied the waters with Renard seeming like the main villain at times.

Edited by echo, 22 May 2012 - 02:49 AM.


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Posted 22 May 2012 - 02:50 AM

It would be cool to see Bond on a straightforward assassination mission. A killer's procedural, like Day of the Jackal.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 03:14 AM

It would be cool to see Bond on a straightforward assassination mission. A killer's procedural, like Day of the Jackal.


That would be something I'd like to see in the films as well.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 08:08 AM

Would love for Bond to come to Canada to film. I think the Northern Lights could make for an interesting setting.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:31 AM

Hm, could imagine using some scenes from 'The American', had some interesting interactions.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:05 AM

Would love for Bond to come to Canada to film. I think the Northern Lights could make for an interesting setting.
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Yes, PLEASE. I'm surprised that after 50 years Canada wasn't even a location, yet the US was several times.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 01:08 PM

Just wondered if anyone has any ideas of what risks the producers could take in future Bond films. Bond is always into keeping up with the times, and since the Craig era is closely connected, I was wondering what new things the producers could try to keep the franchise moving forward.

I few ideas I have...

  • Bond actually failing on a mission. Maybe he's too late to stop a nuclear countdown, and it blows up a main city. Would be very interesting to see Bond deal with thousands of peoples blood on his hands.
  • Bond abusing his power. I love what they did with Doctor Who. In The Waters of Mars, The Doctor saves Adolade Brooke on Mars, even though she was meant to die, and it was a fixed point in time. The Doctor being the last of the Time Lords becomes arrogant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-9tuPVzobI
Amazing scene. I know since Doctor Who is Sci Fi, Bond can't really do something like that. But it would be interesting. Bond maybe being
the last of the Double O section. Killing people who he thinks deserves to die, even though he hasn't been asked too.
  • Bond going into retirement would be interesting to see. If Craig does indeed stay for 5 more Bond films. Address his age, and issues. It's something I can see the franchise doing. Bond being too old for the service. etc.
  • Something which I've always considered great, and it's kind of going back to point 1. The end of the Moonraker novel. Sacrfice a few to save thousands. Bond bringing down a missile onto a small city that was aimed at a much larger one like New York or even London.



I would file all of these ideas under the heading, "How to Kill the Franchise". No one likes to see the hero fail. There's nothing entertaining in that. It would certainly seal the fate of the character, if not the entire series, to have all his adventures culminate in a falure. That's the one thing that has kept the spirit of OO7 alive for so long; his unwillingness to compromise.

No, I have to say that what you suggest is a REALLY bad idea.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 06:53 AM

Maderia Airport looks like an interesting setting.
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 08:18 AM

I´m afraid my suggestion is nothing new - but here I go again...

Since SKYFALL appears to be very serious and sinister and personal, I would love for a future Bond film to be a simple mission, with Bond absolutely enjoying himself and the moment. No pained Bond with personal issues, just an agent comfortable in his skin and doing what he is supposed to do.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:58 PM

That's wot I said.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 11:38 PM

That would be nice and I'm betting the producers will go in that direction after Skyfall if Jedi Dench returns or not.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 04:24 AM

FRWL ending: Bond is apparently dead.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 05:13 AM

I'd like an adventure where Bond is not on official assignment, something he stumbles over accidentally and investigates out of curiosity. By the time he's making serious progress it's already too late to get back to SIS and he just has to roll with the punches, perhaps with an unlikely ally and cut-off from all outside support.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 04:28 PM

I'd like an adventure where Bond is not on official assignment, something he stumbles over accidentally and investigates out of curiosity. By the time he's making serious progress it's already too late to get back to SIS and he just has to roll with the punches, perhaps with an unlikely ally and cut-off from all outside support.


Sorta like LTK - except for Q.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 05:42 PM

More like the start of GOLDFINGER, the book of course. Or Gardner's BROKENCLAW. But yes, it wouldn't be entirely new territory in a strict sense.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 01:11 PM

I'd like to see a little bit of madness, true or imagined, something like Benson's Doubleshot

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 05:09 PM

While this will never happen, I think it would have been interesting to see a Bondfilm with the villain as the protagonist. I am not thinking about the dull villains we see these days, but a more traditional Bond-style villain. Not a parody, but a more realistic take on it. Show us how he develops his grand scheme and builds up the organization step by step, with Bond as the main antagonist towards the end.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 09:47 AM

Naw, Bond is the hero. It´s his perspective that we should be watching.

New territory for a Bond film... well, is there really something new left? Going rogue. Going undercover. Going out of service, back into service. Getting married. Losing his wife. Falling in love, losing his girlfriend. Becoming Japanese. Been there, done that. Helping M, getting back to his family roots - that´s the new stuff.

But I don´t want him to become a father, and I don´t want him to become too much of a human being, actually. Ordinary - that´s not Bond.

Let´s have him fully content with his life as a spy. New territory? Only countries that he has not been in before.

Edited by SecretAgentFan, 27 June 2012 - 09:48 AM.


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Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:44 PM

That would work.

I've also had the thought of Bond killing M early in a film, only to have him / her revealed in the final scene as alive -- Bond's "treachery" was necessary to bring out a high-level government traitor, but only M and Bond were on to the ruse. Half the film would have MI6 believing Bond to be rogue, going after him, with M in hiding presumed "dead."

Oh no! Please no more "believed rogue" Bond plot revolving around the "can I trust you" psycho drama!...

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:47 PM

I would prefer plots that make less use of MI6 and the "home" characters, and more of Bond out alone in the field. I can think of several basic plots that haven't been used in a Bond film:

Bond carrying out a deliberate, high-stakes assassination (not as a minor subplot, but as the main plot of the film)
Bond involved in a honey-trapping (that is, using himself as sexual bait in order to catch someone in a compromising position)
Bond involved in behind-the-lines intelligence in an actual war
Bond wrangling a group of subordinate agents (perhaps as part of a heist-style plot)
Bond shadowing another 00-agent on a mission

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:49 PM

Let´s have him fully content with his life as a spy.

That's what I'd go for. Pure Bond enjoying being a spy and being the best at what he does, defeating ennemies with wits and talent. Simple as that, a la Thunderball for instance, after decades of rogue/outgoing Bond.




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