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#1 Garth007

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 08:44 PM

I finally was able to get all bond films on DVD for $35 dollars.( took forever to get money to be able to update collection from VHS to DVD) As I was watching the film I came up with an idea to reuse some of the plot points and titles of the orginal film to a new storys of quantum.

The Man With The Golden Gun:

Quantum madd that bond has now enterfered twice now with their organization hire Scaramanga( in this story an ex-MI6 agent. who worked during the end of the cold war and then threw away like he was nothing by MI6. Decides to become a hired hit man.) M is sent a bullet with bonds 007 mark on it warning him he is the next target. Bond trying to find Scaramanga before Scaramanga finds him is in the end lured to Scaramangas private island. Scaramanga reviels to bond he could of killed him but didn't. he saguest a dual between to perfect agents. bond ends up winning of course ( taking Scaramangas gun as a trophy.) and fakes his own death in the process. Floating way in the boat scaramanga had.

You Only Live Twice:

Bond pretending to be killed by Scaramanga in the match. goes out in search of quantum. he hast to do this without MI6 help because to keep surage going. Bond enlist of an russian mobster who has migrated his business over to hong kong for information and supplies to get in the quantum organization. On the condition of doing so bond must marry his daughter Tracy. Bond not likeing the idea , Bondand tracy thru out keep butting heads towards one another but finally relize the love for one another. Blofield is reviealed as the head of this Quantum organization( in this story he still has the volcanoe layer but it has nothing to do with the space ships captureing this time. I don't know yet what his plans are) In the end bond defeats blofield but gets away. bond and tracy spend a week together after everything as going back to her father HQ. a group of chinese men hired by blofield chase after bond and tracy. bond relizes they are not after her, but him. Bond telling tracy they can't be together that he will destract them while she runs away. The final scene shows bond on top of the roof ( like you only live twice) running and punching people in his way as the camera pulls back playing the you only live twice theme.

On Her majasties secret service:

Two years have past since the events of the previous film. bond trying to locate blofield yet again makes a break through. The story of blofields plans are the same as the orginal film. ( this time tho blofield has no longer a quantum organization because bond has found out who all members were and were either killeds or arrested by governments.) during this time Bond meets tracy again their love rekindles again but bond is unsure if he can do this because of his job and always putting her in danger. Blofield who has had surgery to change his apprence reviels him self at the climax of the film the whole ending attack on base thing is the same. going after tracy and killing blofield. Bond then chases blofield like in the orginal (think he kills blofield) Bond then thinking its over gets married to tracy and resigns from MI6. Leaving the wedding down the road bond stops to take the flowers off the car but then blofield and his henchmen drive past fireing at them. Bond gets in the car and relizes tracy is dead like in the orginal but this time it is M with other agents/body guards show up to warn bond but find out it was too late. the ending line of the film as orginal as bond is crying and the bullet in the glass .

The Living Daylights:

This i don't know were to go with the story. only basics to it is that i want to bond to go on revenge, but relize it isn't revenge but to find confort/solace in himself for what has happen to him. Why i want it called living daylights is because of a line i came up with for blofield to say to bond. "did scare the living daylights out of you Mr. bond? did i shake you to the very core and rip what little you have left in you."-Blofield

i hope i didn't butcher the story to much but be easy on my but tell me how i did. Be honest tho.

#2 x007AceOfSpades

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 09:48 PM

Personally I'd like to see the Gardner novel Icebreaker become a film. Either with Craig or in the near future. Sure it isn't Ian Fleming, but it is one of the best Bond novels from Gardner's span as Bond Nevelist.

Edited by x007AceOfSpades, 30 January 2012 - 10:33 PM.


#3 AMC Hornet

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 11:50 PM

Hey Garth,

Why don't you send your story synopses to EON - exactly the way you've presented them here - and see if they reply, and what they think? They may even hire you as the screenwriter.

They're bound to love the way you've taken things that have been done before, and done them again.

Also, Evan Willnow - who wrote the fanfic Mightier Than the Sword - lives in St. Louis. I saguest you read his work, and see how Missourians are expected to write (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that English is not your first language).

Edited by AMC Hornet, 29 January 2012 - 12:09 AM.


#4 Wade

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 05:32 AM

Tactfully done, AMC.

#5 Garth007

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 05:41 AM

Hey Garth,

Why don't you send your story synopses to EON - exactly the way you've presented them here - and see if they reply, and what they think? They may even hire you as the screenwriter.

They're bound to love the way you've taken things that have been done before, and done them again.

Also, Evan Willnow - who wrote the fanfic Mightier Than the Sword - lives in St. Louis. I saguest you read his work, and see how Missourians are expected to write (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that English is not your first language).

Wow now there is no sarcasim in your voice. I figured it would be a good way to redo those films by adding quantum to it ok. I didn't think I would have someone be an A-Hole to me in the process. As for my gramer, I wrote it in a rush because I had somewhere else to be at and didn't have time to fix mistakes. Next time AMC Hornet you open your mouth, think about the other persons feelings and respect them because I don't think you would like it if I came into a post you made and bad mouth you about your ideas.

Edited by Garth007, 29 January 2012 - 05:51 AM.


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Posted 29 January 2012 - 06:27 AM

Next time AMC Hornet you open your mouth, think about the other persons feelings and respect them because I don't think you would like it if I came into a post you made and bad mouth you about your ideas.


From what I gather, AMC Hornet is an adult and can take criticism like an adult, without resorting to tiresome victimhood.

Grow a thicker skin, mate.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 06:36 AM

AMC does raise a very valid point: your ideas are basically remakes of previous films. Just look at your idea for THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN - it's basically exaclty the same as the film of the same name. The only discernable differences are that there is no Solex Agitator, and that it was Scaramanga who sent Bond the bullet rather than Andrea Anders. Otherwise, everything is identical.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 06:58 AM

Perhaps AMC was referring to the fact that your post is practically unreadable, and if you genuinely expect positive feedback, you should at least try to make it legible.

Edited by Binyamin, 29 January 2012 - 07:22 AM.


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Posted 29 January 2012 - 07:43 AM

Of course, all of this does not mean that you shouldn't suggest ideas, Garth007. You should just put a little more thought into them rather than simply remaking previous films with minor changes. For example, here's a few ideas straight off the top of my head:

- London is held hostage by someone who is poisoning painkillers or toothpaste or mouthwash or whatever you want (but it has to be something everyone needs), like the Chicago Tylenol murders in 1982, but Bond realises they are using the mass hysteria to cover up the fact that the killings are targeted rather than random.

- Attempts to shut down a drug cartel lead Bond to the dark side of Hollywood and a Scientology-like popular religion (read: a cult) and their connection to the violent Mexican drug wars.

- The murder of an MI6 sleeper agent in China puts Bond on the trail of a Chinese businessman who has accidentally discovered a polymer that literally causes water to thicken, which could be used to cut off ports, strangle a city by drying up the water supply or even be released into clouds to form "hail".

- Bond wakes up in a city shrouded in fog and is attacked by zombies. As the story progresses, he works out that the "zombies" have been exposed to a weaponsed form of MDMA (Ecstacy) which causes fever, delirium, liver damage and intense thirst.

- Someone tries to flood Europe with forgeries of high-denomination banknotes that are of exception quality in an attempt to bankrupt Europe because the Swiss government holds nine billion dollars' worth of Swiss francs to counter any collapse of the Euro, and the villains hold their own stockpile of Swiss francs.

That's five ideas, straight off the top of my head. Whether or not they're any good is open to debate - for now, all you really need to do is learn to think outside the box.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 09:01 AM

Yes, come up with broad and intriguing story concepts as opposed to "M says this then Bond does this" descriptions.

I've been thinking the black-market human organ trade would make for a chilling and interesting Bond movie......

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 09:15 AM

I've been thinking the black-market human organ trade would make for a chilling and interesting Bond movie......

It would have to be done in an interesting way - like a cryogenics lab promising to keep the bodies of its customers in storage until science can revive them, only to double-cross them and use their bodies for spare parts.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 02:18 PM

I must say, Captain, that the "zombie" idea definitely sounds like a potential plot for an episode of Sherlock more than a Bond movie... if I were you I could only take that as a compliment!


And to the OP: if you have somewhere else to be at, maybe you shouldn't be writing a longwinded post on a forum at the expense of its own intelligibility... no sarcasim intended.

Also, after reading what I could of your original post I agree with the other nasty wasties that merely inserting Quantum into one aspect of the story doesn't do anything new or interesting. I'm especially not a fan of the idea for 'The Living Daylights' due to the fact that it sullies one of the purer adaptations of Fleming (for a few minutes of the film version anyway) by marrying it to a rehash of an 'original' (non-Fleming) plotline that hasn't worked incredibly well for the franchise twice over... but in your usage is obviously more closely tied to the most recent of the two attempts due to your use of the word "solace". Not to be mean, but I have a feeling you hadn't ever heard the word before 2008.


In closing... if you didn't want anyone to honestly reply to your post, you shouldn't have requested the exact opposite at the end of said post.

Edited by larrythefatcat, 29 January 2012 - 02:54 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2012 - 08:39 PM

What about a Bond film set in the 60's? Around the Cold War? Just a thought.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 09:26 PM

I've always thought that a '50s Bond film, post-war espionage, suits and hats and rotary phones and "OSS" hidden ciphers would be great fun....

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 10:10 PM

I still stand with a feature film of the Gardner novel Icebreaker.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 10:25 PM

But EON won't adapt the continuation novels.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 10:32 PM

It would make for a great film and can be updated hugely to fit the modern world and society. And to get this straight, EON won't adapt because it is John Gardner and not Fleming. Same certain characters, just new author and plot.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 10:45 PM

And to get this straight, EON won't adapt because it is John Gardner and not Fleming.

That's correct.

Hey, it's their franchise.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 12:46 AM

I think it's a little stubborn. Once all the Fleming titles are gone and stories and the original ideas become crap, they need to start from somewhere.. Hopefully they change their minds in the future

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 01:02 AM

Once [...] the original ideas become crap

That's probably not going to happen, because no core idea is bad. Not even DIE ANOTHER DAY. The core idea there is a villain who wants to reunite the two Koreas, and is as much of a danger to the North as he is to the South. It was the execution of that idea that failed, but with a few tweaks to the storyline, it could have been significantly better.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 02:18 AM

Think about it, how long is EON going to keep jocking around Pruvis and Wade. I never said Die Another Day was bad. I thought the villain was weak. I always thought the story itself. was bad to begin with.
Maybe they need to bring in newer writers with new fresh ideas or resort to using Gardners novels. It's an opinion. I'd like to see it come into fruition.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 02:46 AM

how long is EON going to keep jocking around Pruvis and Wade.

For as long as they feel that Purvis and Wade are the best people for the job. Sure, you criticise them now, but look at the original drafts for TWINE, before bruce Feirstein and Michael Apted's wife did re-writes. It was excellent, but Michael Apted felt that the emphasis should be on Bond's relationship with Elektra rather than the mystery of who was ultimately responsible for the events in the film. And while you're at it, think back to CR - that's an excellent film and pure Purvis and Wade. Paul Haggis was script doctor, but he only did rewrites of the shooting script. He probably wouldn't have gotten a screenwriting credit if it weren't for the way he came up with the idea of the sinking house. On top of that, he's believed to have written the scene on the train and in the shower, or what are believed to be the three worst scenes in the entire film.

Maybe they need to bring in newer writers with new fresh ideas

They have - their names are Peter Morgan and John Logan. Morgan came up for the idea behind SKYFALL and worked on a treatment with Purvis and Wade. When he left, Logan was recruited to take his place.

or resort to using Gardners novels.

But why? Because they're there?

You claim that the franchise needs new writers with new ideas, and also suggest an adaptation of Icebreaker. Well, Icebreaker is primarily concerned with the hunt for a neo-Nazi intent on bringing fascism back to Europe. This has pretty much been a mainstay of the thriller genre since the end of the Second World War. It has been said that if it weren't for the Nazis, thriller writers would have nothing to write about. They're instant villains, simply because they were so despicable. You don't have to work hard at making a villain out of a Nazi. So you're basically saying "the franchise needs new ideas" and then suggest the one novel with the oldest idea in it. Furthermore, Icebreaker was published twenty-seven years ago. Any Nazi villain today would be in his nineties.

Icebreaker is also filled with all manner of double- and triple-crosses among the team. It's a common complaint that the modern films are too quick to rely on treason and betrayal as a plot device. Icebreaker depends on treason for 90% of its story.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:54 AM

Peter Morgan was hired to develop a story WITH Purvis and Wade. John Logan came In and started where Morgan left and also created something new WITH Purvis and Wade. I'm saying is that maybe they should look at getting NEW writers. Whether it's a solo effort or a team effort.

Steven Zallian as an example, hell even Michael Mann and not just because I've had the luxory of meeting Mann twice, but he is still in the game whether it's directing, writing, or producing.

No, Not because they are simply "there". Because It's another source of stories. just because they were written for a certain time frame and during a time period doesn't change the fact that they can update it for a more modern feel. Casino Royale was.

I know what Icebreaker is about. It is possible to update it drastically without it having Neo-Nazi's in it. It could simply be terrorist's, extremists, or anything else the screenwriter(s) can fit in place to update. There's no reason that it is impossible to modernize the story of Icebreaker and slightly change it to fit either Craig as Bond or a future actor as Bond. You don't simply need the "Nazi villain in his nineties." It could be different, but still hold true to the story. That's what I've stated.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:12 AM

hell even Michael Mann and not just because I've had the luxory of meeting Mann twice, but he is still in the game whether it's directing, writing, or producing.

Mann is hopeless. He hasn't written and directed anything decent since HEAT.

I know what Icebreaker is about. It is possible to update it drastically without it having Neo-Nazi's in it. It could simply be terrorist's, extremists, or anything else the screenwriter(s) can fit in place to update. There's no reason that it is impossible to modernize the story of Icebreaker and slightly change it to fit either Craig as Bond or a future actor as Bond. You don't simply need the "Nazi villain in his nineties." It could be different, but still hold true to the story. That's what I've stated.

If a script is in a state where the villains can simply be swapped out for someone else with ease, then that's not a very good script.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:27 AM

Mann's last producing outing was Texas Killing Fields which was out last year and was great. Public Enemies was a great piece of Bio-Pic. You Must not like him I take it, not trying to make asumptions here lad. He took a cheesy 80's show and made it have a serious and darker tone to it with a serious criminal underworld. That film was, Miami Vice.

You must think I said that a Neo-Nazi villain can be replaced with a muslim terrorist who's trying to restore fascism (-__-) Wrong...

Replace the villain and then you have a plot that coincides with an out of place villain.

Re-do the plot so it can coincide with the new villain.

Change certain things that remind others that have read it about the Neo-Nazi's and Fascism

U P D A T E I T

Even if it calls for updating the whole damn thing.

Edited by x007AceOfSpades, 31 January 2012 - 07:30 AM.


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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:46 AM

But there is no need to adapt Icebreaker, or any other continuation novel. EON have never done it, and have never given any indication that they will do it.

And it's never a good way to start writing a script when the first thing you have to do is update the source material to be relevant to modern audiences.

PS - I knew perfectly well what you meant when you said "update it". I just think it's a terrible idea.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:50 AM

And it's never a good way to start writing a script when the first thing you have to do is update the source material to be relevant to modern audiences.


James Bond films?

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:53 AM

James Bond films?

Which films, other than CASINO ROYALE, had to be updated?

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:57 AM

Live and Let Die and Moonraker, hazarding a guess.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 08:01 AM

Aside from the presence of major characters, neither bear much resemblance to their source material in terms or story or structure.