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Is there an oscar performance in Dalton?


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#1 SG007

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 10:33 PM

i have always been of the opinion that there has always been an oscar performance in Dalton. He is very much in the Daniel Day Lewis mould and we all know how successful he has been. These classic actors are very hard to come by these days and i am positive that if Dalton was handed a lead role in a major role his obvious acting skills would once again be portrayed to the world just as they were when he was bond

#2 jaguar007

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 08:29 AM

You know, I think Dalton is a fantastic actor, has a great presence and one of my favorites. However he usually displays a touch of theatrics in his film roles that might just keep an Oscar out of his reach. I could however see him winning a Tony.

#3 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 05:06 PM

His biggest handicap: he is not the Academy´s darling and surely won´t work hard to schmooze them. So... no.

#4 Safari Suit

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 06:52 PM

Yes, it's not a matter of talent, so much as material, and not so much the quality of the material as whether it ticks the right boxes. Most of his on-screen work these days is slightly or very tongue in check stuff that riffs on the cult value he's earned from Bond and Flash Gordon (Hot Fuzz, The Tourist, Chuck, Doctor Who, even the Looney Tunes movie eight years ago), so not much chance there. His best film work was probably Hawks, which is not really the kind of thing that was pushed to the Academy in those days. Still, you never know.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 08:35 PM

His biggest handicap: he is not the Academy´s darling and surely won´t work hard to schmooze them. So... no.



Very cool actor; Check out a role he had in a 1999 Jim Belushi movie called MADE MEN. He played a corrupt country sherriff (Not at all like JW Pepper); way out of character.

I even liked him as the villain in that Disney flop, THE ROCKETEER.

#6 Lady Rose

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 09:21 PM

Yes, it's not a matter of talent, so much as material


I think thats the main problem. When was the last time he had a 'proper' role ? Something with substance and some commercial backing ? Such a shame he hasn't had that elusive role ....

#7 Pussfeller

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 10:31 PM

If by "Oscar performance" we're talking about the sort of performance that would win an Oscar, then it's merely a matter of Dalton having never been given the right kind of role. After his association with Bond and other low-prestige franchises, it's unlikely that such a role will be "wasted" on him. To win an Oscar, all an actor needs is basic competence, a "serious" reputation, and the right kind of role. But you never know. Perhaps someone at this very minute is writing a screenplay about a manic-depressive coal miner whose beautiful singing voice helped Britain defeat Hitler. Call it Tongues of Fire.

Seriously, I can almost imagine Dalton landing a supporting-actor nomination, but I can't for the life of me imagine him winning it. Once again, it's because of his association with Bond, and subsequently with comedic character parts. But it says more about the Academy's pompous prejudices than it does about Dalton's abilities as an actor.

#8 Chemateo

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 01:39 AM

However he usually displays a touch of theatrics in his film roles that might just keep an Oscar out of his reach.

Could you please elaborate on this?

Out of the work Dalton has done, there are two roles that come to mind that seem worthy of the Academy Award. Dalton as King Philip from Lion in The Winter (although that would be for Best Supporting Actor) and as a Bancroft in Hawks. However, the Academy Awards really is not the end all be all in my book. A lot of politics are involved and they are basically used to sell movies and increase the asking price for the recipient. Like many have said, talent is not issue it is getting that right prominent role.

I find it interesting that others were comparing Dalton to Daniel Day Lewis. There are the obvious similarities, the two throw themselves into their work, take a great deal of pride in their craft, and are very private & humble. When I went to see Gangs of New York in theaters, I thought this is the kind of role Dalton should be doing and it seems like these days the two gentleman bear some resemblance. The same thoughts came across while watching There Will Be Blood.

I do wonder if it was possible for Dalton to win an Academy in the 90s. Dalton claims that the roles he was interested in usually went to Jeff Bridges or Nick Nolte while he was third in line since he is not an American. Or that Producers were a bit uncomfortable having James Bond involved in their production, sort of what George Reeves went through during his Superman stint. But when Dalton finally handed in his Licence To Kill he claims he got more offers. Why did they not materialize? What were they? Why did Dalton do nothing or pick forgettable material?

Perhaps it just goes back to 1969 when Dalton decided to go back to the stage. Dalton was getting all kinds of offers and instead of focusing on a film career he went back to the theater. All that focus and momentum was lost and it was difficult to get that proper footing back when Dalton jumped back in the game. Perhaps if Dalton had carried on his film career in 69 like his pal Hopkins, they could have been tag team champions of the Academy Awards.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 09:47 PM

I've seen some of his other works, unfortunately most of these roles have been rather diminutive or just aren't really enough serious or demanding of him as an actor. I did however love him in Centennial as Oliver Seccombe, and IMO, he did the most powerful stuff out of them all and handled it with such voluminous sublimity, subtlety and intricacy.

 

Any recommendations will be greatly appreciated!



#10 Mr_Wint

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:41 AM

If by "Oscar performance" we're talking about the sort of performance that would win an Oscar, then it's merely a matter of Dalton having never been given the right kind of role. After his association with Bond and other low-prestige franchises, it's unlikely that such a role will be "wasted" on him.

 

Well, "his association with Bond" did not make anything worse. Just look at all the crap he did before Bond.



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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:37 AM

The problem with "Oscar performances" these days is: it does not matter whether you really deliver great work. The studio which releases your film has to decide whether it will be worth putting money into the Oscar campaign. If so, you will have to do thousands of meet-and-greets with Academy members, schmooze them shamelessly in order to get the nomination. After that you have to do that kind of work even harder, competing now with the other candidates (and the studios behind them who will stop at nothing to ruin your chances).

 

I don´t think Dalton wants to do that kind of work anymore (and I congratulate him for this).

 

Maybe, in one or two decades, Dalton will do a supporting role in a small independent film and get a "oh, S***, everybody´s loving him in this and we have overlooked him constantly so we will throw him a bone here"-nomination.

 

But apart from that, no. 



#12 AMC Hornet

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 03:35 PM

I don't think he gives a crap. He's an actor, not a movie star, and he's happier on the stage. The film roles he takes supports that habit, and he does choose interesting work. Playing Rassilon on Doctor Who certainly did him no harm and it sure raised the profile of that episode.

 

Dalton's a very private person - even more so than Craig or Connery, and probably wouldn't even care to be commiserated for not having been nominated for an Oscar. How many British stage awards has he received? Those are probably what counts most with him.



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Posted 07 April 2013 - 06:44 PM

The problem with "Oscar performances" these days is: it does not matter whether you really deliver great work. The studio which releases your film has to decide whether it will be worth putting money into the Oscar campaign. If so, you will have to do thousands of meet-and-greets with Academy members, schmooze them shamelessly in order to get the nomination. After that you have to do that kind of work even harder, competing now with the other candidates (and the studios behind them who will stop at nothing to ruin your chances).
 
I don´t think Dalton wants to do that kind of work anymore (and I congratulate him for this).
 
Maybe, in one or two decades, Dalton will do a supporting role in a small independent film and get a "oh, S***, everybody´s loving him in this and we have overlooked him constantly so we will throw him a bone here"-nomination.
 
But apart from that, no.

nothing to add. Totally agree

#14 Dustin

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 06:56 PM

I don't think he gives a crap. He's an actor, not a movie star, and he's happier on the stage. The film roles he takes supports that habit, and he does choose interesting work. Playing Rassilon on Doctor Who certainly did him no harm and it sure raised the profile of that episode.

 

Dalton's a very private person - even more so than Craig or Connery, and probably wouldn't even care to be commiserated for not having been nominated for an Oscar. How many British stage awards has he received? Those are probably what counts most with him.

 

 

Same here, seems to be Dalton's creed. And rightfully so.



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Posted 07 April 2013 - 08:16 PM

To win an Oscar, all an actor needs is basic competence, a "serious" reputation, and the right kind of role. But you never know. Perhaps someone at this very minute is writing a screenplay about a manic-depressive coal miner whose beautiful singing voice helped Britain defeat Hitler. Call it Tongues of Fire.

 


And that writer should be Quentin Tarantino. He's the only writer/director that comes to my mind who could get Dalton a movie-comeback.

Tarantino loves to bring back old stars in great supporting roles.



#16 AMC Hornet

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:30 AM

Quentin Tarantino. He's the only writer/director that comes to my mind who could get Dalton a movie-comeback.

Tarantino loves to bring back old stars in great supporting roles.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:30 AM

Timothy Dalton seems like a good guy...so I hate to say this, but......

 

His acting is often seems too stiff to me.  General audiences never did embrace him as Bond.  Of course, he wasnt blessed with the best material either as far as his Bond days go.  LTK looks cheap with an uninspired drug and revenge plot...yawn.  

 

Living Daylights better but still looks cheap; hercules sequences good; Whitaker embarrassing; the lying russian general fun and entertaining. 

 

Still I like Dalton and would like to see him have a chance....a good role and a chance to be redeemed and recognized.



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 10:44 AM

Just echoing you guys really - Dalton is a brilliant actor, who owns every role he plays with 100% passion as either the hero or villain, but due to his private life away from the paparazzi/media and his roles not being in huge major releases, he certainly gains critical and fan success but wouldn't be seen as Academy Award fodder.

 

As you say, theatrical awards would probably suit him more but also as you say, I don't think the awards change his style of actor or person.



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 06:27 PM

Is there an Oscar performance in Dalton? Absolutely! With his brooding determination, I say Dalton will make a very fine Oscar the Grouch. Direct me to the nearest petition demanding the feature film live-action version of Sesame Street and sign me up.

 

Not the kind of Oscar performance you meant? Sorry, strike what I said.



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Posted 12 April 2013 - 08:31 PM



His biggest handicap: he is not the Academy´s darling and surely won´t work hard to schmooze them. So... no.

He was awesome in that! Complete opposite to his usual roles. I had no idea it was him! I was like "Hmmm...where do I know that guy!" Yeah, I need to check it out again.

Very cool actor; Check out a role he had in a 1999 Jim Belushi movie called MADE MEN. He played a corrupt country sherriff (Not at all like JW Pepper); way out of character.

I totally didn't know it was him until a few years ago. I need to check out that movie again!

Edited by iBond, 12 April 2013 - 08:32 PM.