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[occhile007]

With production beginning or maybe it has already started on Bond 23...it's time for us, the fans to speculate, guess or hopefully find out some spoilers about the new movie. And I figured this is always a good topic...which Walther should Bond use for #23? Walther PPK vs Walther P99!!! Old School vs. New School!!! Now that Daniel Craig has two Bond films under his belt, and he has used two different Walthers, what's the prediction? Or does someone know something I don't know? Since this will mark the 50th anniversary, I'm almost thinking he should go old school. I did like the throw back in QOS, and Craig looked damn good with it. Either way, I figure this should stir up a good conversation.


M: "Yes, I thought so. This damn Beretta again. I've told you about this before." (to the armorer) "You tell him, for the last time."
Maj. Boothroyd: "It's nice and light... in a lady's handbag. No stopping power."
M: "Any comments, 007?"
James Bond: "I disagree, sir. I've used the Beretta for ten years. And I've never missed with it yet."
M: "Maybe not, but it jammed on your last job and you spent six months in the hospital in consequence. If you carry a double-O number, it means you're licensed to kill, not get killed... From now on you'll carry a different gun. Show him, armorer."
Maj. Boothroyd: "Walther PPK. 7.65 mil with a delivery like a brick through a plate glass window. Takes a Brausch silencer with very little reduction in muzzle velocity. The American CIA swear by them."


Zukovsky: "Walther PPK, Seven-Point-Six-Five-Millimeter. Only three men I know use such a gun. I believe I've killed two of them."

Bond: "Lucky me..."

Zukovsky: "I think not..."

vs.


"The new Walther? I asked Q to get me one of these."

Edited by Mharkin, 01 February 2012 - 07:30 PM.

[Captain Tightpants]

And I figured this is always a good topic...which Walther should Bond use for #23? Walther PPK vs Walther P99!!!

My two cents: I really don't care. The quality of the film will not change whether Bond uses a PPK or a P99. The choice of weapon is not a dealbreaker for me, and I probably won't even notice which one he uses. In fact, I probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between most handguns, so if Bond pulled out a Beretta, I wouldn't think "het, that's a Beretta". I'd probably think it was a Walther.

[Colombo]

Well I for one have always wanted to see the scene in which Bonds Beretta jams and leads to the incident M mentioned. Was hoping it would happen in Casino Royale...and in the same vein really wanted him to be first be seen driving a new Bentley continental (rather than that product placement Ford...) before earning his Aston Martin.

That said I'd be happy with both...the PPK with the tux,and the P99 with casuals/combat gear.

[Captain Tightpants]

really wanted him to be first be seen driving a new Bentley continental (rather than that product placement Ford...)

I don't think Bond would be able to afford a £137,000 car (and that's for the the entry-level).

The Bondeo was chosen for a reason - not because Ford dictated it (if that were the case, they could have put him in any car they wanted), but because Bond had to blend in when he went to the Bahamas. It's the same reason why he drove a Volvo in Austria during QUANTUM OF SOLACE. Driving a Bentley through Nassau would have attracted attention; people tend to remember expensive cars.

[Elmason]

That said I'd be happy with both...the PPK with the tux,and the P99 with casuals/combat gear.

I would favour this approach - different weapons for different situations makes sense.

Edited by Elmason, 29 October 2011 - 10:35 AM.

[univex]

The PPk. It´s iconic, like everything should be when one talks about Bond (my take on it, of course). PPk+DB5 as Bond´s personal items. If he is provided with anything else to fit the mission, then so be it - the P99 and the DBS.

[Binyamin]

Neither. The Walther PPS in 9mm.

[DominicGreene]

For me, the PPK just looks so much sexier, it's the best looking gun in my opinion, the PPS looks like a brick.

[Chief of SIS]

In reality, he's a spy. The PPK makes more sense. The P99 is not massive by any means but for concealment purposes PPK makes more sense. Style-wise, I've always appreciated the P99's more powerful look to it compared to the PPK's pea-shooter look. Still, PPK in my book.

[Blonde Bond]

I don't want him to go off half-cocked. So I say both. John Woo style. There has to be pigeons too.

[AndrewBond]

The PPK. It is classic and looks so much better. The P99 looks indistinguishable from any other gun. It is not Bond, and I blame the P99 for the poor quality of the latter Brosnan movies and Vesper's death. One of the few postive points of Quantum of Solace was the reintroduction of the PPK.

I never really understood why they changed. Yes, the P99 is modern and might have slightly better features, but does it really make that much of a difference? And the poster above had a point - the PPK is lighter and easier to conceal.

Edited by AndrewBond, 31 October 2011 - 07:20 AM.

[TCK]

And I figured this is always a good topic...which Walther should Bond use for #23? Walther PPK vs Walther P99!!!

My two cents: I really don't care. The quality of the film will not change whether Bond uses a PPK or a P99.

And why should James Bond always use German or Italian pistol ? What about a Webley ?

[Captain Tightpants]

With production beginning or maybe it has already started on Bond 23...it's time for us, the fans to speculate, guess or hopefully find out some spoilers about the new movie. And I figured this is always a good topic...which Walther should Bond use for #23? Walther PPK vs Walther P99!!! Old School vs. New School!!! Now that Daniel Craig has two Bond films under his belt, and he has used two different Walthers, what's the prediction? Or does someone know something I don't know? Since this will mark the 50th anniversary, I'm almost thinking he should go old school. I did like the throw back in QOS, and Craig looked damn good with it. Either way, I figure this should stir up a good conversation.

You should probably remove the photos you attached to your post. EON don't like it when images from the films are uploaded onto forums.

[Miles Miservy]

Well I for one have always wanted to see the scene in which Bonds Beretta jams and leads to the incident M mentioned. Was hoping it would happen in Casino Royale...and in the same vein really wanted him to be first be seen driving a new Bentley continental (rather than that product placement Ford...) before earning his Aston Martin.

That said I'd be happy with both...the PPK with the tux,and the P99 with casuals/combat gear.

The PPK actually DID jam on him in TSWLM, when he had the drop on Jaws in Atlantis.

The PPk. It´s iconic, like everything should be when one talks about Bond (my take on it, of course). PPk+DB5 as Bond´s personal items. If he is provided with anything else to fit the mission, then so be it - the P99 and the DBS.

Interesting thing about the PPK; depending on which movie you're watching, there's a discrepancy about how many bullets are in the magazine:

TMWTGG:

Bond: "Six bullets to your one?"

Scaramanga: "I only NEED one."


or.....


TLD:

Whitaker: "All right, you've had your eight... now I'll have my eighty."

[Leon]

Definitely the PPK.

The P99 is undoubtedly the better weapon for everything but concealment. The reason I'd rather see Bond continue with the PPK, as used in Quantum of Solace and the bathroom scene in Casino Royale, is that I'd rather see 007 working as a spy and investigator more than an action man. The smaller pistol holds a timelessly classic look with sleek, easy concealability, which is important for more realism to James Bond's character and attitude. The compact versions of things such as the P99 would sure be a fine choice instead, however I just think the PPK looks more 'James Bond'. Bond has always held an element of particular tradition and style. The modern designs give more of a standard American action-spy feel, the sort of thing Jason Bourne or Jack Bauer might carry.

The PPK is fine for the kinds of gunfight Bond would get into, and if for whatever (hopefully captivating and well written) reasons Bond needs to be firing more bullets with better range he'd surely be able to use his initiative/find a better gun anyway. Also, in the books Bond would be issued with a second, heavier pistol as well, if need be. There's no real reason he should always be packing a chunky, large magazine 9mm around under his jacket.

[Captain Tightpants]

And why should James Bond always use German or Italian pistol ? What about a Webley ?

I was just using it as an example. I was just trying to show that I don't really know the difference between different guns, and I don't think the choice of weapon will affect the quality of film. I would have no objections if BOND 23 featured Bond brandishing the machine gun from the end of CASINO ROYALE, provided it was used appropriately.

[TCK]

And why should James Bond always use German or Italian pistol ? What about a Webley ?

and I don't think the choice of weapon will affect the quality of film.

I agree, but I think it is an interesting question. Why James Bond, the most British of all the heroes, has never used a British pistol ?

[Captain Tightpants]

I recall M convincing him to switch to the PPK because it would not jam as often as his Beretta.

[Leon]

And why should James Bond always use German or Italian pistol ? What about a Webley ?

and I don't think the choice of weapon will affect the quality of film.

I agree, but I think it is an interesting question. Why James Bond, the most British of all the heroes, has never used a British pistol ?

Because British guns are mostly awful. Case example: the SAS actually completely refuse to use British standard service rifles (though even those are made under an offshoot of Heckler & Koch). They don't even use Browning pistols if they can help it, as they prefer German ones.

[occhile007]

Well well well...it looks like the PPK has made it's return. I don't why I'm excited, but it just is so classy and bad looking. In Mendes we trust...

[SecretAgentFan]

Classic Bond with a capital B...

[Miles Miservy]

It just occured to me... are there any other films besides LALD & DAD in which OO7 fires a revolver??

[SecretAgentFan]

Don´t think so.

[occhile007]

Here's a good trivia question, no cheating, but name as many guns as you can that Bond has used that were NOT the walther ppk/walther p99. This can include handguns, sub machine guns, etc.

[Bryce (003)]

AR-7 (stated as .25 but is actually .22LR) - FRWL
Walther P-38 - GF
Binelli 12 shotgun and assorted spearguns - TB
S&W model 10, .38 - YOLT
Sterling MK. IV - OHMSS
Piton gun - DAF
S&W M29 .44 - LALD
Custom triggerless rifle - TMWTGG
Sterling MK IV, ski pole-rifle and bolt/gas gun - TSWLM
Holland & Holland double barrel shotgun - MR
M-16 & Walther P-5 - OP
Winchester pump action .12 ga. shotgun - AVTAK
WA-2000 sniper rifle, AK-47 - TLD,
Taurus 99 9mm, Speargun w/ line, Signature camera rifle - LTK
AK-47 - GE
AK-47, HK MP5 and MP5K - TND
Colt .45 - TWINE
Mac-10, .38 S&W - DAD
Browning HP, HK MP5 - CR
HK MP5, Sig PR26 and Beretta 93 LS - QOS

I *think* that covers it. Granted, mostly from memory and one or two I'd like to double check, but that's for another day.

[Righty007]

With production beginning or maybe it has already started on Bond 23...it's time for us, the fans to speculate, guess or hopefully find out some spoilers about the new movie. And I figured this is always a good topic...which Walther should Bond use for #23? Walther PPK vs Walther P99!!! Old School vs. New School!!! Now that Daniel Craig has two Bond films under his belt, and he has used two different Walthers, what's the prediction? Or does someone know something I don't know? Since this will mark the 50th anniversary, I'm almost thinking he should go old school. I did like the throw back in QOS, and Craig looked damn good with it. Either way, I figure this should stir up a good conversation.

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M: "Yes, I thought so. This damn Beretta again. I've told you about this before." (to the armorer) "You tell him, for the last time."
Maj. Boothroyd: "It's nice and light... in a lady's handbag. No stopping power."
M: "Any comments, 007?"
James Bond: "I disagree, sir. I've used the Beretta for ten years. And I've never missed with it yet."
M: "Maybe not, but it jammed on your last job and you spent six months in the hospital in consequence. If you carry a double-O number, it means you're licensed to kill, not get killed... From now on you'll carry a different gun. Show him, armorer."
Maj. Boothroyd: "Walther PPK. 7.65 mil with a delivery like a brick through a plate glass window. Takes a Brausch silencer with very little reduction in muzzle velocity. The American CIA swear by them."


Zukovsky: "Walther PPK, Seven-Point-Six-Five-Millimeter. Only three men I know use such a gun. I believe I've killed two of them."

Bond: "Lucky me..."

Zukovsky: "I think not..."

vs.

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"The new Walther? I asked Q to get me one of these."

I'm surprised that this was posted in October and Jim hasn't come in yet to tell you that posting stills from the films is in violation of the CBn Forum Policy.

Just another illustration of his double standards and blatant hypocrisy. :tup:

[mrevans]

I'm for him using the PPK if no other reason than it looks cooler. I am not a huge fan of QOS but at the end when Bond has the PPK, one thought went through my head. Regardless of how I feel about this movie, Daniel Craig is James Bond. (As if I wasn't already sure of that)

[DamnCoffee]

I'm surprised that this was posted in October and Jim hasn't come in yet to tell you that posting stills from the films is in violation of the CBn Forum Policy.

Just another illustration of his double standards and blatant hypocrisy. :tup:

Had enough of this. Take 30 days leave.


You've been playing with fire for too long now, Righty. I'm afraid you've gotten burnt.

Edited by Mharkin, 01 February 2012 - 07:07 PM.

[occhile007]

Ok, how do I get rid of the stills? Or is there a way for me to just delete the topic and restart it without posting stills?

[DamnCoffee]

I'll sort it out for you, don't worry.