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Craig says BOND 23 is his last Bond film?


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#31 Germanlady

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 02:47 PM




In the end, it probably will depend on BOND 23´s box office, I´m afraid. If it is not outperforming QOS and CR, this could be the end of Craig´s tenure.


Quite, that's pretty much all it's gonna depend on.

#23 fulfills it's potential and is a huge box office hit and MGM/EON'll cross Dan'd palm with so much silver it'll make going to the gym worthwhile. Any desire to return to obscure, indie films will instantly evaporate with it.

#23 turns out to be an incomprehensible, pretentious mess to mainstream movie goers and a poor box office return as a consequence, and Dan'll be Three and Out.

Babs will have to tear her gaze away and start fawning over the fresh young face of James Bond #7, or 007th! But then, so will many CBNers. W

Which really makes it win-win, doesn't it?


Not quite. How can No 2 and 3 be a win win? Not for those, who want to see a great Bond film and not to those, who want DC to stick around.


Well, I think most of us want to see a great film regardless of who's in it.

If #23 is a great film and a box office success, wonderful.

But if #23 doesn't do particularly well because EON, Craig and Mendes have taken it down a route not-popular with the mass box office (remember OHMSS? remember LTK? both noble efforts but largely disappointing at the box office), then replacement and repositioning is surely win-win?
As I said, we are James Bond fans here not Daniel Craig fans, surely?


You are again forgetting that to get you replacement and your win win situation, you have to go through a bad film first and since, as you put it so wonderfully, all are JB fans first and foremost, this cannot be a good thing to happen ever. Don't you think? Plus without the actor portraying him, he is just a character in a book, so it does matter, who is playing him and a replacement might not work out, while the current one has proven, that he can do the character justice - at least for a majority of people. Its ok, if you are not among them, but don't let this fool you into believing, that your scenario is a good option. 2 and 3 ARE a possibility, of course, but it aint anything good about it, because..see above...

Edited by Germanlady, 28 September 2011 - 03:08 PM.


#32 Miles Miservy

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 03:03 PM

If they'd shorten the time between films to something less than a century we might have gotten five or six films out of him.



Ah yes, remember the good ol' days when we'd be assured of a new release every 2 years? Momentum is what's kept this franchise alive for over 5 decades. I think, production began on TMWTGG a mere 2 days after the premier of LALD. I can remember thinking 007 was dead well after LTK.

#33 mttvolcano

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 03:07 PM

Ah yes, remember the good ol' days when we'd be assured of a new release every 2 years?

Back then or are we talking about earlier this year?

#34 00 Brosnan

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 03:10 PM

Unfortunately it all falls back to the current preoccupation with exclusively physical skills, what set Bond apart is a broad diversity of talents and cunning in the field he operates, an ability to overcome the odds in original and creative ways. If Bond is realigned with the generic actioner he loses what makes him unique, ironically its the limitations on what Bond can do himself, of his capabilities that draw the most imagintive and impressive results when he wins through. the gadgets became a cheap and lazy way to achieve this aspect but it would be a dreadful mistake to lose both the gadgets and the challenges they were invented to overcome.....get some decent writers give bond his skills back, Daniel can then play him for another ten years at least.


I completely agree with this assessment.

Casino Royale was able to strike a good balance between Bond (fantasy) and reality. It's harder edged and less gimmicky, but you can still see it's Bond. Quantum of Solace on the other hand, while a good action film...didn't feel much like a Bond film to me.

Bond 23 needs to be much better in every category, but adding classic elements (like some cool gadgets) back into the mix is also important to me.

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 03:39 PM

I wonder how much are true and how much are garbage on this, or is it all garbage and nothing true at all Bond 23 being Craig's last.

Anyway when Brosnan was still playing Bond it started looking hard to find the right person for the role after he stop. Now it looks even harder to find the right person that fit the role after Craig. Now NOT every A list stars can fit and do the role. Some examples would be Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, Harrison Ford (IF he was now at his Star War age area), Tom Hanks(if he was now 38 or 40), Chris Pine, George Clooney(If he was still at his ER age days), Johnny Deep, Colin Firth, Michael Douglas(If he was now 38 or 40), Ray Stevenson, Thomas Jane and Channing Tatum. It also a good thing that they NEVER got the role or went and try out for it. So sooner later they have to end it in making Bond movies EVEN WHEN THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF IDEAS AND STORYLINES. I know that would be sad for us Bond fans.

Edited by Syndicate, 28 September 2011 - 04:43 PM.


#36 MajorB

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 03:57 PM

I think it's 100% garbage. Craig likes being Bond. He was eager to get going on the new film. I've never seen any other quotes indicating that he's ready to quit. He's always come across as a "We'll see" kind of person. If B23 were to tank, he might change his mind. But I don't even slightly believe that, as of this moment, he's looking at a particular time when he'll stop.

#37 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 04:08 PM

Its not his style to play games. tlso They have made plans to have 23 and 24 follow closely to each other meaning they are not planning on changing Bonds eithr


Well, he is an actor having to negotiate his deals so... count out "style" - this is about business, even if he comes across as honest and laid back.

And the plans to have 23 and 24 follow closely mean only one thing: MGM wants to have a regular cash cow on their plate. EON, however, has made it clear again and again that they will dictate terms. And since the production of a major action film these days involves lots of preparation, money and the perfect timeslot for anybody who is working on it, I think that the two-year-rhythm is hard if not impossible to maintain. And the QOS-comments by Wilson were indicating that EON does not want to get into that situation anymore.

Let´s be honest. I love Craig as Bond. I would enjoy him doing at least four films.

But Craig, as great as he is, is not the only possible actor to do Bond justice.

I would actually be thrilled if the whole game of casting Bond would start again, be it after Bond 23 or 24.

#38 MajorB

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 04:54 PM

I haven't had a chance to watch/listen to the clips. Was the idea of making 23 & 24 close together mentioned there? That's exciting news in itself.

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 06:42 PM

I sure hope not!
He'd be like Dalton, a great Bond who only did two films! That's the last thing we want as Bond fans


Umm... maybe my math's not up to snuff, but wouldn't Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace and Bond 23 make three films?

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this one.


This article seems completely and utterly fabricated... much more so than the "fact" that Adele is doing the new theme song. That sort of thing doesn't usually get figured out until around the end of filming/beginning of post-production.

#40 Pussfeller

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 01:16 AM

Let´s be honest. I love Craig as Bond. I would enjoy him doing at least four films.

But Craig, as great as he is, is not the only possible actor to do Bond justice.

I would actually be thrilled if the whole game of casting Bond would start again, be it after Bond 23 or 24.


This is exactly how I feel. I really like Craig, and I both expect and desire a fourth film. (Which I wouldn't expect any earlier than 2015.) But I doubt if Craig will remain in the role for a fifth entry, and I hope he won't. Four films is the perfect number. Connery should have quit after TB, Moore should have quit after MR, and Brosnan left when he should have. Four films is just enough to fill a decade, just enough to allow an actor time to explore the role but not to grow tired and complacent.

If Craig does remain in the role for a long time, it will be interesting to see how his approach to the role changes (or doesn't change). So far he has been very physical and athletic. Ideally, he will gradually and gracefully adopt a more cerebral approach as he ages, rather than go the "aging action hero" route. That would be interesting and realistic, mirroring the trajectory of an actual secret service career, and a genuinely good reason for Craig to remain in the role for more than four films.

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 03:09 AM

I really like Craig, and I both expect and desire a fourth film. (Which I wouldn't expect any earlier than 2015.) But I doubt if Craig will remain in the role for a fifth entry, and I hope he won't. Four films is the perfect number. Connery should have quit after TB, Moore should have quit after MR, and Brosnan left when he should have. Four films is just enough to fill a decade, just enough to allow an actor time to explore the role but not to grow tired and complacent.


I don't agree. I'd prefer each actor to reach the 5 film mark.

More often than anything else I hear people say Moore should have retired after FYEO (film number 5). Personally, I enjoy OP much more than MR. Also, despite Connery being "bored" in YOLT, it's still a great film in my opinion and his performance doesn't affect my enjoyment of the film.

I'm also of the opinion Brosnan should have had a fifth film (and would have if 1, Cubby Broccoli were still here & in charge or 2, Jason Bourne didn't exist). Brosnan and EON both said Brosnan would continue for the forseable future (at least 1 more film) after DAD was released....well what happened that convinced EON to drop a money-making, popular Bond and go younger, more realistic, and harder-edged? Jason Bourne...a younger, more realistic, and harder-edged spy film.

If they changed actors every 3 or 4 films it would somewhat ruin the appeal of the franchise to me. I like that consistency.

Edited by 00 Brosnan, 29 September 2011 - 06:44 PM.


#42 Captain Tightpants

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 03:22 AM

I think Craig might have put a time limit on his time as Bond, rather than a quota of films. He probably expected to have made an extra film between QUANTUM OF SOLACE and now.

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 09:00 PM

It started off great with Casino Royale, but let's face it...Quantum of Solace went nowhere & while it was a good action movie, it wasn't Bond in my opinion...and now after three films we have to go through another transition to a new actor (and let's face it..new style)?



Exactly how did QUANTUM OF SOLACE "go nowhere"? It was a major hit at the box office.

#44 Pussfeller

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 09:30 PM

I guess that makes Avatar the best Bond film of all time.

Box office isn't everything. As a fan, I hope for the films to be profitable so that they will continue to be produced. But I don't allow a film's profitability to overrule my own subjective assessment of its quality. Even if QOS had made a billion dollars more than CR, I wouldn't find it any more enjoyable to watch. As it happens, QOS made less money than CR. On a bigger budget.

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 06:25 AM

It started off great with Casino Royale, but let's face it...Quantum of Solace went nowhere & while it was a good action movie, it wasn't Bond in my opinion...and now after three films we have to go through another transition to a new actor (and let's face it..new style)?



Exactly how did QUANTUM OF SOLACE "go nowhere"? It was a major hit at the box office.


As Pussfeller stated, box office results are only part of the equation. Most of the Bond films have done very well at the box office. The recent Bond films (GE-present) have all made more money than the previous...except QoS.

The series was rebooted in CR w/ a freshly-minted 007 on his first mission. We see him as a raw agent still transforming into more of the Bond we know and love. However, QoS, while a very entertaning action film "went nowhere" because it hardly (if at all) evolved the character. It just stripped even more of the classic Bond away in favor of Jason Bond.

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 11:07 AM

However, QoS, while a very entertaning action film "went nowhere" because it hardly (if at all) evolved the character.

So, Bond finally earning M's trust, coming to the realisation that revenge will not do anything for him, and being able to save Corinne Veneau from the same fate as Vesper ... counts for nothing?

#47 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 04:44 PM


However, QoS, while a very entertaning action film "went nowhere" because it hardly (if at all) evolved the character.

So, Bond finally earning M's trust, coming to the realisation that revenge will not do anything for him, and being able to save Corinne Veneau from the same fate as Vesper ... counts for nothing?


Exactly. But I´m afraid we will get into the same argument here which is repeated ad nauseam in many other threads.

Although, let´s face it - how much character development do we need for Bond? Did we have it in the Connery era? With Moore? With Dalton even? Or with Brosnan?

More or less, Bond is Bond. I have the feeling that he should not evolve that much at all.

CR and QOS basically was one story - how Bond became Bond. At the end of QOS that story is told, Bond is ready. Hence the gun barrel.

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Posted 02 October 2011 - 05:56 PM

http://www.quotenmeter.de/cms/?p1=n&p2=52278&p3=

In a german magazine, TV MOVIE, Craig reportedly said that he will leave the role after BOND 23 to a younger actor due to the physical demands of filming the action sequences.

Is he joking? Or starting to play the Sir Roger game ?


Sorry, I was so shocked that I did not check the thread´s spelling. Of course it must be "his" last Bond film.



I think its fair to let an actor to play upto 4 movies. Craig being a lot like Dalton would be more lucky if he gets to do Bond 24. Dalton was ahead of his time and with budget constraints, studio issues reportedly got his 007 career stalled unfortunately. There is also a right time for an actor to leave and pass the baton to someone else. Roger Moore was could have retired after Octopussy giving Dalton a chance.I don't mind seeing Daniel in Bond24, but I only hope they have a better story, bring back some basic elements of the series the audiences have loved to watch over the years.
Read the full story to read reviews of each actor and name your favorite.

#49 PeteNeon

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 02:58 PM

With Brosnan, and I guess it applies to Moore or Connery as well, but I just love the way there are four films, by TWINE you’ve got used to him and you know what to expect and I just loved seeing him relax into the role and seeing him in different locations with different villains, building up that “roster” of classic moments. With Craig, if B23 was his last Bond film I’d be quite disappointed, in CR we were introduced to him, QoS acted like an epilogue, and while I enjoyed it for what it was, I can see why people were disappointed with it, and it's a shame it's been the only Bond film in 6 years.

If B23 reintroduces the gunbarrel at the start (Brosnan style please!), uses the Bond theme a lot more and more classic Bond elements and is a self-contained story, it could be great, and I'd love to see Craig bed in a bit more with a fourth, and I would love a fifth film as well.

If he only did a third film, it would seem like he is just doing what he is contractually obliged to, that after the wait he [i]has[/] to, and wants to, do a third film to tie it up etc. I really wouldn't like that, I would love him to overcome that delay and do more than just the three, and carry on like nothing happened, but I have a gut feeling he will leave after B23.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 05:12 PM

If B23 reintroduces the gunbarrel at the start (Brosnan style please!)


You mean a shiny, CGI, monstrosity?

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 05:23 PM

If B23 reintroduces the gunbarrel at the start (Brosnan style please!)


You mean a shiny, CGI, monstrosity?


I thought it looked great! They should at least make it resemble that barrel, the same style they use on all the branding.



I loved the conistency between those four films and the general atmosphere and tone they established.

Edited by PeteNeon, 07 October 2011 - 05:29 PM.


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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:26 AM

Been a while Gents. I hope Craig stays for a fourth film before hanging up the tux.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 03:09 PM

I kinda had a sneaking suspicion that this one would be his last, although I would love to be proved wrong. He's the best thing that's happened to Bond since GoldenEye.



I agree. Unless this film does very, very, very well and his performance is well received I think that it will be his last outing. However I suspect that Craig will just bow out gracefully, he won't have to be pushed like Brosnan.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 03:56 PM

Actually, after the press conference it seems absolutely clear that Craig will do at least two more Bonds after SKYFALL. So we can really close this thread and file it under rubbish actors say or journalists pick up on.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 03:57 PM

Actually, after the press conference it seems absolutely clear that Craig will do at least two more Bonds after SKYFALL.

What exactly did he say to indicate that?

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 04:35 PM


Actually, after the press conference it seems absolutely clear that Craig will do at least two more Bonds after SKYFALL.

What exactly did he say to indicate that?

Craig said he intends to keep on doing them as long as he can (but of course he'd say that when promoting it), more importantly Barbara Broccoli said he's definitly doing Bond 24.

#57 tdalton

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 04:43 PM

All that was said was that Craig would be playing Bond for "a few more years". That's pretty vague, most likely intentionally so, and could mean just about anything. They are not going to sit there and say that Craig is finished in the role while they are announcing the beginning of the new film, so I don't really take any stock in that or anything else that was said at this "press conference", which was basically a waste of time in that it simply confirmed some of the worst kept secrets in the industry.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 04:46 PM

I think, it was some sort of confirmation, that he will do at least 24, unless 23 goes really wrong. "Yes, definitely" in the way, she said it, was more then just a rubbish promo thing.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 04:54 PM

I think, it was some sort of confirmation, that he will do at least 24, unless 23 goes really wrong. "Yes, definitely" in the way, she said it, was more then just a rubbish promo thing.


She seemed, at least to me, a bit overexcited about everything she was saying at the press conference, so my feeling towards that is that this answer was just more of that rather than any kind of definite answer. The SkyFall press conference was about the most useless Hollywood press conference I think I've ever seen, so I'm pretty hesistant to take any stock in any of the "information" revealed there given they wasted everyone's time by spending a half hour saying they couldn't talk about anything.

I'd love for Craig to do another film, and potentially more, but I'm much less enthusiastic about his tenure now that we're getting yet more Bond and M trust issues, and this time as part of the main plot, when those have been at the forefront of the last two films (and really the last three if you go back to Die Another Day).

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 05:28 PM

Oh, those trust issues. Can't say they ever really bothered me much. Despite the odd line from M she never shows anything but confidence and faith in Bond's abilities and judgement, lest she'd have him replaced by another number, just as Lee's M threatened to do as early as GF.