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[00Kevin]

been trying to figure out who the 8 are, fortunitly the official website gave us this nice little chart showing all the characters

Jaws, Oddjob, Scaramanga. clear as day

we know Blofeld and Baron Samedi are the next two

the last three get a bit tricky. The second is obviously Dr. NO; the hairstyle, the white uniform it just seems to scream its identiy. the 3rd (bottom row, far right) I think is Red Grant (FRWL) because of the suit and the light hair; some might argue that it's goldfinger, who, like Dr. NO, has become a more freguent bond multiplayer character in more recent titles, although they were all from EA. but I think goldfinger is too chubby to be that picture

which brings me to the final picture. bottom middle. when i saw this photo i instantly thought of Rosa Klebb from "From Russia With Love". One clue is the short, dark (but not black) hair, another being what appear to be military shoulder straps and also it seems the fact that whomever it is seems to be wearing a dark jacket over a lighter shirt with a dark tie. lets compare with a shot from the 1963 film:



having said this, lets take a step back. Rosa Klebb isn't someone who makes bond multiplayer games often. I had assumed that mayday would be in this game, as she was in 1997, but neither this picture, nor any of the other ones, are dark enough to be her. why would someone pub klebb in? perhaps its the fact that, like Jaws Oddjob and Scaramanga, she had a distictive weapon that seperates her from other bond villians (the shoe)

if anyone can figure out if I had any of these pictures wrong, I'ld like to know who else it could be. until then, I am putting my money on this list:

Jaws, Oddjob, Scaramanga
Blofeld, Baron Samedi, Rosa Klebb, Dr. No, Red Grant

[DamnCoffee]

Oh wow. The likeness of Scaramanga is spot on, surprisingly!

[Matt_13]

Yeah they nailed Odd Job and Scaramanga.

[Captain Tightpants]

Who the hell would want to play as Mishkin? Unless he's got substantially-bigger role this time around, I can't imagine he'd be too popular a choice. They should have added Emilio Largo in, and Max Zorin, too. Come on, how could Christopher Walken vs. Christopher Lee be anything less than awesome? Franz Sanchez and Hugo Drax would also be good. And maybe some allies, too - Felix Leiter, Marc-Ange Draco, Anya Asamova. Hell, you could base an entire mode of gameplay around everyone trying to kill Jinx; one player is randomly assigned the role of Jinx and given limited ammunition and must survive for as long as possible. Death would result in a time penalty. After ten minutes, someone else would become Jinx.

Of course, the biggest problem with multiple characters is that there's not a hell of a lot to separate them from one another besides physical appearances. Custom weapons, stats (ie speed, health, weapons proficency, etc.) and character bonuses (ie, Scaramanga would have "Marksman", meaning he deals more damage and thus uses less ammunition; Jaws would have "Fear", which paralyses an enemy resulting in a reduceed rate of fire; Baron Samedi would have "Afterlife", giving him a health boost and taking longer to die, etc.) ... but that's probably too complex.

[Righty007]

Why does Mishkin look like an FBI agent?

[K1Bond007]

Who the hell would want to play as Mishkin? Unless he's got substantially-bigger role this time around, I can't imagine he'd be too popular a choice.

Well he's actually in GoldenEye and was an original character of the game, hence his inclusion.

Not specifically in response to your post, but you guys sure do like to nitpick.

[Righty007]

Who the hell would want to play as Mishkin? Unless he's got substantially-bigger role this time around, I can't imagine he'd be too popular a choice.

Not specifically in response to your post, but you guys sure do like to nitpick.

I think Bond fans are entitled to nitpick when a classic character like Valentin Zukovsky gets changed into this abomination:

[Captain Tightpants]

I think Bond fans are entitled to nitpick when a classic character like Valentin Zukovsky gets changed into this abomination:

If you a character's appearance being changed is going to impact the final quality of the game, there's a simples solution - don't play it.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

Red Grant vs Craig's Bond would be a hell of a matchup.

[DamnCoffee]

I've just realised that the Natalya impostor looks more like Xenia.

[Aris007]

I've just realised that the Natalya impostor looks more like Xenia.

The designer must have been drunk or has a memory of a goldfish!

*Hey, man this is Xenia and this Natalya!*
*Hick! Who's who now? Nah, screw 'em!*

And Mishkin looks like that chap from Matrix. The agent!

[K1Bond007]

Who the hell would want to play as Mishkin? Unless he's got substantially-bigger role this time around, I can't imagine he'd be too popular a choice.

Not specifically in response to your post, but you guys sure do like to nitpick.

I think Bond fans are entitled to nitpick when a classic character like Valentin Zukovsky gets changed into this abomination:

For a story that is re-imagined? Come on.. are you going to complain about Daniel Craig having blond hair and a muscular build too?

[Righty007]

Who the hell would want to play as Mishkin? Unless he's got substantially-bigger role this time around, I can't imagine he'd be too popular a choice.

Not specifically in response to your post, but you guys sure do like to nitpick.

I think Bond fans are entitled to nitpick when a classic character like Valentin Zukovsky gets changed into this abomination:

For a story that is re-imagined? Come on.. are you going to complain about Daniel Craig having blond hair and a muscular build too?

No because Daniel Craig is James Bond. Just like Robbie Coltrane or a similiar looking guy is Valentin Zukovsky. If they want a Russian mafia guy in the game so badly, then they should just make up an entirely new one instead of tarnishing an already established character.

It would be like if they called Joe Don Baker Felix Leiter in GoldenEye, which wouldn't have made sense since Leiter had never been married to Muffy, etc.

If you want to call the game GoldenEye then make GoldenEye. If not, call it something else. It's going to be a great game but I'm a fan of Zukovsky and this ain't him. I know it's a rights issue and I know that they can make a guy look like Coltrane without it being Coltrane.

[K1Bond007]

Who the hell would want to play as Mishkin? Unless he's got substantially-bigger role this time around, I can't imagine he'd be too popular a choice.

Not specifically in response to your post, but you guys sure do like to nitpick.

I think Bond fans are entitled to nitpick when a classic character like Valentin Zukovsky gets changed into this abomination:

For a story that is re-imagined? Come on.. are you going to complain about Daniel Craig having blond hair and a muscular build too?

No because Daniel Craig is James Bond. Just like Robbie Coltrane or a similiar looking guy is Valentin Zukovsky. If they want a Russian mafia guy in the game so badly, then they should just make up an entirely new one instead of tarnishing an already established character.

It would be like if they called Joe Don Baker Felix Leiter in GoldenEye, which wouldn't have made sense since Leiter had never been married to Muffy, etc.

If you want to call the game GoldenEye then make GoldenEye. If not, call it something else. It's going to be a great game but I'm a fan of Zukovsky and this ain't him. I know it's a rights issue and I know that they can make a guy look like Coltrane without it being Coltrane.

You go through all that then bring up a Felix Leiter reference? A guy who was originally played by (officially anyway) Jack Lord and then went on to look like Linder and Burton after just a film or two, and now he's black! If you want to call the guy Felix Leiter then make him Felix Leiter. If not, call him something else. Your words (or thereabouts). Bond is no longer Brosnan, doesn't even remotely look like him, he's Craig and yet you have no problem with that either. Quite the selective argument you got going on here Righty.

Your problem is clearly with GoldenEye being reimagined with a new story and a new take on the characters. That's fine, (I made that argument before) but at least stick to that. Don't gripe at all the details that are being changed that don't perhaps resemble the original. That's the whole point.

[Righty007]

Who the hell would want to play as Mishkin? Unless he's got substantially-bigger role this time around, I can't imagine he'd be too popular a choice.

Not specifically in response to your post, but you guys sure do like to nitpick.

I think Bond fans are entitled to nitpick when a classic character like Valentin Zukovsky gets changed into this abomination:

For a story that is re-imagined? Come on.. are you going to complain about Daniel Craig having blond hair and a muscular build too?

No because Daniel Craig is James Bond. Just like Robbie Coltrane or a similiar looking guy is Valentin Zukovsky. If they want a Russian mafia guy in the game so badly, then they should just make up an entirely new one instead of tarnishing an already established character.

It would be like if they called Joe Don Baker Felix Leiter in GoldenEye, which wouldn't have made sense since Leiter had never been married to Muffy, etc.

If you want to call the game GoldenEye then make GoldenEye. If not, call it something else. It's going to be a great game but I'm a fan of Zukovsky and this ain't him. I know it's a rights issue and I know that they can make a guy look like Coltrane without it being Coltrane.

You go through all that then bring up a Felix Leiter reference? A guy who was originally played by (officially anyway) Jack Lord and then went on to look like Linder and Burton after just a film or two, and now he's black! If you want to call the guy Felix Leiter then make him Felix Leiter. If not, call him something else. Your words (or thereabouts). Bond is no longer Brosnan, doesn't even remotely look like him, he's Craig and yet you have no problem with that either. Quite the selective argument you got going on here Righty.

Your problem is clearly with GoldenEye being reimagined with a new story and a new take on the characters. That's fine, (I made that argument before) but at least stick to that. Don't gripe at all the details that are being changed that don't perhaps resemble the original. That's the whole point.

You got me.

[Righty007]

Simply put: I'm a Zukovsky purist. If he doesn't at least look like Robbie Coltrane then he's not Zukovsky in my eyes.

It's a poor explanation but one we are familiar with (e.g., Fleming purists).

[coco1997]

Simply put: I'm a Zukovsky purist. If he doesn't at least look like Robbie Coltrane then he's not Zukovsky in my eyes.

It's a poor explanation but one we are familiar with (e.g., Fleming purists).

I agree with K1, Righty. I simply don't understand how you can be OK with a black man (who happens to be the most gifted actor to play the role) as Felix Leiter, but they change the visage of this relatively minor character and you start to discredit the game.

[DamnCoffee]

I think it's because we're used to Felix changing form, because it happened so frequently throughout the 60's. Valentine however, hasn't changed appearance at all and has been played by the same actor, in 2 films. So it might take some getting used to.

In Righty's defence, I'm all for re-imagining characters, but these are just bland, and forgettable. I would prefer an appearance closer to the actual character in the film.

That's the problem with Bond characters in the Craig era. Minus Le Chiffre, they're just not that interesting enough to look at. I know they're trying to be realistic, but come on. Just look at Elvis, and Greene. They're making the characters too realistic. It's just not paying off for me.

[coco1997]

In Righty's defence, I'm all for re-imagining characters, but these are just bland, and forgettable. I would prefer an appearance closer to the actual character in the film.

Therein lies the problem. If you're willing to accept as 007 Daniel Craig, a man who bears virtually no resemblance to Pierce Brosnan or the Bond from GoldenEye: 64, then, even if you think it looks hideous, you should be willing to accept this new incarnation of Zukovksy.

[DamnCoffee]

In all fairness. I love Craig as Bond, but GoldenEye is Brosnans Bond film. I've heard why he can't return as Bond due to licensing issues, etc..

I just don't see the point in GoldenEye 2010 at all. Fair enough they want to remake it for nostalgia purposes, but they're just going to lose it all anyway. Since they're radically updating it, and changing the appearance of all the characters, they're going to lose the whole point of the game AND the film. There's no point blabbering on saying they want to remake it for the fans, then change everything that made the game so popular. Haven't they updated the plot as well? So that's gone. If they're going to remake it, then remake it. The only reason this game is even called GoldenEye is because it's a cash in. That's it. A Wii exclusive Bond game without that title wouldn't sell well at all. The game may be good in it's own right, but it won't hold a candle to the original.

[coco1997]

In all fairness. I love Craig as Bond, but GoldenEye is Brosnans Bond film. I've heard why he can't return as Bond due to licensing issues, etc..

I just don't see the point in GoldenEye 2010 at all. Fair enough they want to remake it for nostalgia purposes, but they're just going to lose it all anyway. Since they're radically updating it, and changing the appearance of all the characters, they're going to lose the whole point of the game AND the film. There's no point blabbering on saying they want to remake it for the fans, then change everything that made the game so popular. Haven't they updated the plot as well? So that's gone. If they're going to remake it, then remake it. The only reason this game is even called GoldenEye is because it's a cash in. That's it. A Wii exclusive Bond game without that title wouldn't sell well at all.

Again, that's a selective argument. Was "Casino Royale" (2006) not "Casino Royale" because it featured terrorists instead of Soviets? The basic plot, character names, and tone of "GoldenEye" are being retained. Elements of the gameplay are there for nostalgia purposes, but that seems to be where the nostalgia factor ends. This is not a remake of the game, it's a modern re-telling of the story. And much of the foundation of the original movie (Brosnan as Bond, the Soviet backdrop) are simply irrelevant today, hence why they are gone. I wonder what the reaction would be if they remade "Thunderball," "Goldfinger," "TSWLM", etc. with Craig for Wii/PS3, etc. and made similar changes? I doubt there would be this much furor simply because Brosnan is still fresh in many people's minds and none of those movies received video game adaptations in the past.

[Quantumofsolace007]

I'm honestly wondering how far will "remake older films with Daniel Craig" will go. I have a feeling that Goldeneye is a precursser to other Films to be remade as modern video games with Daniel Craig.


Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a few of them

On Her Majesties Secret Service

Diamonds Are Forever

The Man with the goldenen Gun

and

A view to a kill.

actually this would be a fun thread what film woudl u like to see readapted as a video game featuring Daniel Craig and how would you update the story

[Dr. Metz]

One thing i found weird is that they went with the Charles Grey version of Blofeld. I thought they would go with the one most people associate Blofeld with, the Donald Plesance version.

[DamnCoffee]

I have a feeling that Goldeneye is a precursser to other Films to be remade as modern video games with Daniel Craig.

If you say so.

[K1Bond007]

In all fairness. I love Craig as Bond, but GoldenEye is Brosnans Bond film. I've heard why he can't return as Bond due to licensing issues, etc..

Well, it's a licensing issue, but I think more importantly they don't want Brosnan to return to the role in the middle of Craig's era. Completely different than Connery doing From Russia with Love during Brosnan's. It's a timing thing. The actors who did the original portrayals aren't too big of actors so licensing probably wasn't an issue for them. I'm sure they could have been picked up for cheap to reprise, but once they made the Craig swap and realized the story was outdated they likely decided to redo the entire thing.

I would have rather had a new story, but what can you do. Bond games at the moment revolve around GoldenEye. You can't escape it. It's the money.

[Matt_13]

While I still think this game will be perfectly serviceable, even highly enjoyable, I do believe that after listening to all of the criticisim, this was, conceptually, a pretty bad idea. It's going to make a ton of money no doubt, but that's business taken away from Blood Stone, which I think has a lot more going for it yet will ultimately be less successful (maybe even less successful than the Quantum of Solace game). Some serious marketing is going to be needed. I hope they pull out all the stops. I will certainly be buying both games, because afterall they are James Bond, but where Goldeneye is concerned...I think the next game they make, should it be a remake, needs to get some proper licensing, and should most certainly not be a Brosnan Bond film, if only for the comparisons between him and DC. I have a feeling that come 2012 we're going to get a Connery game, but we'll see.

[Righty007]

While I still think this game will be perfectly serviceable, even highly enjoyable, I do believe that after listening to all of the criticisim, this was, conceptually, a pretty bad idea. It's going to make a ton of money no doubt, but that's business taken away from Blood Stone, which I think has a lot more going for it yet will ultimately be less successful (maybe even less successful than the Quantum of Solace game).

Actually, GoldenEye 007 and Blood Stone aren't competitors at all and thus will not steal business from each other since one is made for Wii and the other is made for XBox 360 and PS3.

[Matt_13]

I guess business was the wrong word. What I fear is that Goldeneye will be pushed harder in advertisement than Blood Stone, which will effect sales. I could be totally wrong, probably am actually, but I just think Activision plans on making more off of Goldeneye than Blood Stone, and their advertisement will reflect that. Again, hope I'm wrong as I want both games to succeed so we can get more.

[The Richmond Spy]

My issue with some of these characters is not the fact that their appearances have radically changed, it is what they changed to. Based only on face value, these reincarnations lack originality and the same memorable distinction that typically goes along with Bond characters. Yes, I'll leave the door open that their performances in the game (and the cut scenes) can potentially sway my opinion positively, but I don't like those chances and this is not a good start.

Many of us have romanticized what a new GE64 would look like in our heads for over a decade. I seriously doubt any of us had this in mind as a start and I'm sure that is where a lot of the premature disappointment stems from. If it continues in this direction, then it will likely still turn out to be at least a decent Bond game. Will it compare to GE64? Not likely. In fact, a lot of us will resume the romanticizing until another attempt is made. If this game is not intending to be a "new GE64," then I'm not sure why many of us ever stopped.

I feel like I should be able to judge this game compared to GE64 even if it isn't trying to be GE64...simply because it appears to be trying to captialize off of the publicity of that game.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

I guess business was the wrong word. What I fear is that Goldeneye will be pushed harder in advertisement than Blood Stone, which will effect sales. I could be totally wrong, probably am actually, but I just think Activision plans on making more off of Goldeneye than Blood Stone, and their advertisement will reflect that. Again, hope I'm wrong as I want both games to succeed so we can get more.

Bloodstone will definitely have the bigger marketing push. It's on 3 platforms and undoubtedly has a budget exponentially bigger than GoldenEye's.