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[jrdoo7]

I think allot of people judged this films based on the dark knight was so great and qos was not as great as cr. I think after time passes people will like this film was very good. It will be like tld got a mixed reviews but after time people will like the film later on than now.

[Vauxhall]

I expect so. I have little else to add. It's never going to be in the bottom five Bond movies for me. It's never going to be top either. In many respects, it's a very well made film and in other respects, it lacks a certain je ne sais quoi.

[DamnCoffee]

It will never be as good as Casino Royale for me. Neither will it ever be the worst Bond film in my eyes. I expect I'll have the same views in 10 years time.

[Conlazmoodalbrocra]

It will never be as good as Casino Royale for me. Neither will it ever be the worst Bond film in my eyes. I expect I'll have the same views in 10 years time.

Me too.

[tdalton]

I suspect that it'll still be my favorite Bond film, unless Bond 23 actually does get made during that timespan and surpasses it in quality. Other than that, I think I'll still regard QOS as the best with Dalton's 2, FRWL, and CR rounding out the top 5.

[Safari Suit]

People judged it based on The Dark Knight???

[jrdoo7]

because batman begins came out people saw cr as bond begins. when dark knight came out and really great expectations for qos became higher than it should be. It was the sequel to batman was great so qos has to be equally as great in some eyes.

People judged it based on The Dark Knight???

[elizabeth]

It will never be as good as Casino Royale for me. Neither will it ever be the worst Bond film in my eyes. I expect I'll have the same views in 10 years time.

Me too.

Me three.

[JimmyBond]

People judged it based on The Dark Knight???

That's news to me as well.

[sharpshooter]

It will never be as good as Casino Royale for me. Neither will it ever be the worst Bond film in my eyes. I expect I'll have the same views in 10 years time.

Me too.

Me three.

Me four.

[plankattack]

Seeing how stark the differences of opinions are by the fanbase (may I direct you to any number of QoS threads that get a little, well, emotional ), I suspect that for many their opinions won't change.

I think for the general public (and this all depends on Bond 23) it will be seen as the odd one out, almost a curiousity. If anything it'll be critiqued for not being CR 2, ironic, because I'm sure many of us have done our share of eye-rolling anytime a franchise has gone back to the well once too often. IMHO, I suspect the next couple of films will be more EON-business as usual, meaning films without the clear fingerprints of the director over them.

As I did rather enjoy QoS, that'll be a shame. Having lived through the franchise for nearly thirty-five years, I've waited too long for too many films that all seem strangely familiar. CR was a breath of fresh air, and whether QoS succeeded in doing the same is obviously a matter of personal taste and opinion, I won't fault it for trying to be different.

"It didn't feel like a Bond-film" is something I read a lot on QoS threads. Far from being an insult, that's one of the best things about it. Cos whether one wants to admit it or not, the "Bond-film" that people seem to seeking has been done, oh, only about seventeen times........

[Harmsway]

As of my last viewing, I don't like QUANTUM OF SOLACE very much--I think it fails to explore its potential--but I suspect I'll look on it more fondly with age. I don't hate it (I'll take it over any of the Brosnan films, GOLDENEYE included). I don't expect to think any better of it, per se, but it's more interesting aspects will continue to stand out, and will hopefully earn greater affection.

IMHO, I suspect the next couple of films will be more EON-business as usual, meaning films without the clear fingerprints of the director over them.

The talks with Mendes, who is considerably more of a prestigious "auteur" than Forster is, and just as likely, if not more so, to seek serious control over artistic vision of the film, would indicate the opposite.

[Publius]

The general public will remember it as Craig's TND - good, but nowhere near as great and classic as his first one.

The die hard fans will continue to be divided 2/1 on it... as they are on every other Bond film.

because batman begins came out people saw cr as bond begins. when dark knight came out and really great expectations for qos became higher than it should be. It was the sequel to batman was great so qos has to be equally as great in some eyes.

The problem with that (besides not really making any sense) is that QOS was an attempt at a "stripped down to the basics" follow-up to CR, whereas TDK was a more traditional "epic" sequel to Begins.

Each worked in the context of what their respective series was trying to achieve, with Bond doing some messy soul-searching while Batman was literally facing the "escalation" he confronted, and was partially to blame for, at the end of Begins.

Bond didn't really escalate anything in CR (Le Chiffre was an independent associate of Quantum's) until he shot Mr. White in the knee... and then proceeded to stir up the hornet's nest considerably in QOS. I'd be surprised if Bond 23 isn't the most "epic" of Craig's first three.

[Double-Oh Agent]

In 10 years time, I think Quantum Of Solace will not be looked on that favorably by the general public and will be seen as one of the lesser entries in the series--probably hovering around the edge of the bottom five.

As for the hardcore Bond fans, I suspect it will continue to be one of the most, if not THE most, divisive films of the series with a number of pro-QOS and anti-QOS fans continuing to argue back and forth over the merits (or lack thereof) of the film.

As for me, I don't anticipate my opinion of the film changing, there's too many things I despise about the film to rank it highly, but it likely won't be my least favorite either. Instead, it should sit around #20 of the series (it's #16 now).

[tdalton]

People judged it based on The Dark Knight???

That's news to me as well.

Same here. I can't recall any comparison between the two. There's really nothing to compare with those films, other than their status as sequels. The Dark Knight is about as bloated, overlong, and "epic" (I use that term loosely) in scale whereas Quantum of Solace was stripped down (maybe too much for its own good), minimal, and not nearly as "epic" in terms of scale.

With that said, I'll take Quantum of Solace any day over the vastly overrated The Dark Knight.

[MarcAngeDraco]

As of my last viewing, I don't like QUANTUM OF SOLACE very much--I think it fails to explore its potential--but I suspect I'll look on it more fondly with age. I don't hate it (I'll take it over any of the Brosnan films, GOLDENEYE included). I don't expect to think any better of it, per se, but it's more interesting aspects will continue to stand out, and will hopefully earn greater affection.

Well said, Harmsway. I think I might like QoS just slightly more than you, but I agree with your overall sentiment.

With that said, I'll take Quantum of Solace any day over the vastly overrated The Dark Knight.

Indeed, tdalton. Glad I'm not the only one who thinks TDK was "vastly overrated".

[DaveBond21]

I think people will think of it the way they think of Licence to Kill. I really like both, but maybe QOS will become Craig's forgotten Bond movie - especially if Bond 23 is better.

[Publius]

In 10 years time, I think Quantum Of Solace will not be looked on that favorably by the general public and will be seen as one of the lesser entries in the series--probably hovering around the edge of the bottom five.

Do you really think members of "the general public" can even name half the Bond films, let alone rank them well enough to put one or the other squarely in their bottom five?

I don't, which is why I'm convinced QOS will be remembered the way TND is today: "Oh, that's the action-packed, slightly short in run time, good but not great sequel to that Bond's instantly classic debut."

It will be remembered more fondly by fans, and probably be seen as a slightly better version of LTK.

[The Shark]

In 10 years time, I think Quantum Of Solace will not be looked on that favorably by the general public and will be seen as one of the lesser entries in the series--probably hovering around the edge of the bottom five.

Do you really think members of "the general public" can even name half the Bond films, let alone rank them well enough to put one or the other squarely in their bottom five?

I don't, which is why I'm convinced QOS will be remembered the way TND is today: "Oh, that's the action-packed, slightly short in run time, good but not great sequel to that Bond's instantly classic debut."

I think it will probably be remembered as worse than TND.

"The action-packed, poorly edited, overly-short, dour, low on character, sequel to Casino Royale. A big disappointment."

A sort of License To Kill-lite Bond, meets Frank Transporter, meets Jason Bourne, meets John le Carré .

[Publius]

I think it will probably be remembered as worse than TND.

"The action-packed, poorly edited, overly-short, dour, low on character, sequel to Casino Royale. A big disappointment."

A sort of License To Kill-lite Bond, meets Frank Transporter, meets Jason Bourne, meets John le Carré .

I have a hard time seeing its stock drop that much, especially in comparison to any of Brosnan's sequels. I think you give TND entirely too much credit.

And in 10 years time, Transporter will be forgotten while Bourne will be an interesting curiosity of the era. That's the beauty of Bond films, they outlast whatever it is they're criticized of mimicking.

[ChristopherZ22]

It will be forgotten by the general public in ten years the way For Your Eyes Only, The Living Daylights, Licence To Kill, and perhaps The World Is Not Enough have been forgotten today. I think the general public is about ready to forget it now.

[HildebrandRarity]

I honestly think that Q0S will be seen as a fine film by the greatest James Bond actor of all time - an actor of quality, an actor with chops before he started looking old and while he was still in sensational physical form.

In due time the young people who multi-task on several levels - and process information faster than any other generation before it - will see the film as the one that "moves likes a bullet" and has "proper editing for it's genre" instead of all the boring, glacial and childish/jokey ones.

They'll say "that's the one with the awsome Aston Martin chase and the riveting Opera scene and the cool building in the desert...the one without the corny dialogue...the one which made you want to hit the gym and be totally fit!"

It will be Number 1, until a better Craig film comes along...or a greater actor comes along.

Already, GoldenEye - along with it's hideous score and an actor which was frail-looking and out of his depth - is unwatchable...as, indeed, are a fair few of them, especially the ones where either the flabby belly, man boobs, old age, lipstick, wig or ghastly fashion sense of the Bonds makes you want to wince in embarrassment.

Sadness for all those types of Bonds which won't be able to live up to the Bond of Quantum.

[ChristopherZ22]

They'll say "that's the one with the awesome Aston Martin chase

Only if they get the titles of the Bond films confused. If they said QOS is the one with the awesome Aston Martin chase, they would be naming the wrong movie.

We fans should be above such mistakes. We all know that the Bond film with the awesome Aston Martin chase is called Goldfinger, not Quantum of Solace. And we should all know that when watching the Aston Martin chase in Goldfinger, we can easily tell what is happening on screen.

[tdalton]

We all know that the Bond film with the awesome Aston Martin chase is called Goldfinger, not Quantum of Solace. And we should all know that when watching the Aston Martin chase in Goldfinger, we can easily tell what is happening on screen.

No, we don't all "know" that.

Everything about GOLDFINGER is overrated, even down to its Aston Martin chase. I'll admit that QUANTUM OF SOLACE isn't the greatest film to ever grace the silver screen, but I'll take it any day of the week over GOLDFINGER.

[JimmyBond]

Only if they get the titles of the Bond films confused. If they said QOS is the one with the awesome Aston Martin chase, they would be naming the wrong movie.

How very condescending of you.

We fans should be above such mistakes. We all know that the Bond film with the awesome Aston Martin chase is called Goldfinger, not Quantum of Solace. And we should all know that when watching the Aston Martin chase in Goldfinger, we can easily tell what is happening on screen.

The Aston Martin chase is a bit on the dull side, even by the standards of the time. The hearse chase in Dr. No is much more entertaining than the Aston chase. The only thing the Goldfinger Aston chase has going for it is it's the first time in the Bond series that Bond used a gadget laden car.

[tdalton]

Only if they get the titles of the Bond films confused. If they said QOS is the one with the awesome Aston Martin chase, they would be naming the wrong movie.

How very condescending of you.

Couldn't agree more.

We fans should be above such mistakes. We all know that the Bond film with the awesome Aston Martin chase is called Goldfinger, not Quantum of Solace. And we should all know that when watching the Aston Martin chase in Goldfinger, we can easily tell what is happening on screen.

The Aston Martin chase is a bit on the dull side, even by the standards of the time. The hearse chase in Dr. No is much more entertaining than the Aston chase. The only thing the Goldfinger Aston chase has going for it is it's the first time in the Bond series that Bond used a gadget laden car.

Once again, I couldn't agree more. The only thing that the GOLDFINGER chase had going for it was the novelty of the gadgets. That's it. Everything else about that chase, much like the film, is vastly overrated.

[Double-Oh Agent]

I think people will think of it the way they think of Licence to Kill....but maybe QOS will become Craig's forgotten Bond movie - especially if Bond 23 is better.

In 10 years time, I think Quantum Of Solace will not be looked on that favorably by the general public and will be seen as one of the lesser entries in the series--probably hovering around the edge of the bottom five.

Do you really think members of "the general public" can even name half the Bond films, let alone rank them well enough to put one or the other squarely in their bottom five?

I don't, which is why I'm convinced QOS will be remembered the way TND is today: "Oh, that's the action-packed, slightly short in run time, good but not great sequel to that Bond's instantly classic debut."

It will be remembered more fondly by fans, and probably be seen as a slightly better version of LTK.

Of course the general public can't name, much less is willing to take the time to rank the Bond films 1-23. My meaning/implication, is that Quantum Of Solace will be seen as one of the lesser entries in the series, but not the worst.

I kind of agree with DaveBond's assessment in that it will be seen in a similar manner to what Licence To Kill has been. Whether it's seen as slightly better or worse, I'm not sure, but as I am a big fan of LTK, I hope worse.

As for your opinion of QOS being viewed better than Tomorrow Never Dies in 10 years, Publius, I'm afraid I have to disagree. TND is a fun, action-packed romp with a James Bond who is fun to watch and go on an adventure with. QOS, on the other hand, has plenty of action and little of the rest. I have no doubt that in a decade TND will be looked upon a lot more favorably by the general public than QOS.

I honestly think that Q0S will be seen as a fine film by the greatest James Bond actor of all time - an actor of quality, an actor with chops before he started looking old and while he was still in sensational physical form.

In due time the young people who multi-task on several levels - and process information faster than any other generation before it - will see the film as the one that "moves likes a bullet" and has "proper editing for it's genre" instead of all the boring, glacial and childish/jokey ones.

They'll say "that's the one with the awsome Aston Martin chase and the riveting Opera scene and the cool building in the desert...the one without the corny dialogue...the one which made you want to hit the gym and be totally fit!"

It will be Number 1, until a better Craig film comes along...or a greater actor comes along.

Already, GoldenEye - along with it's hideous score and an actor which was frail-looking and out of his depth - is unwatchable...as, indeed, are a fair few of them, especially the ones where either the flabby belly, man boobs, old age, lipstick, wig or ghastly fashion sense of the Bonds makes you want to wince in embarrassment.

Sadness for all those types of Bonds which won't be able to live up to the Bond of Quantum.

There you go again Hilde, bashing the rest of the Bond series to prop up Quantum Of Solace.

[Tarl_Cabot]

I honestly think that Q0S will be seen as a fine film by the greatest James Bond actor of all time - an actor of quality, an actor with chops before he started looking old and while he was still in sensational physical form.

In due time the young people who multi-task on several levels - and process information faster than any other generation before it - will see the film as the one that "moves likes a bullet" and has "proper editing for it's genre" instead of all the boring, glacial and childish/jokey ones.

They'll say "that's the one with the awsome Aston Martin chase and the riveting Opera scene and the cool building in the desert...the one without the corny dialogue...the one which made you want to hit the gym and be totally fit!"

It will be Number 1, until a better Craig film comes along...or a greater actor comes along.

Already, GoldenEye - along with it's hideous score and an actor which was frail-looking and out of his depth - is unwatchable...as, indeed, are a fair few of them, especially the ones where either the flabby belly, man boobs, old age, lipstick, wig or ghastly fashion sense of the Bonds makes you want to wince in embarrassment.

Sadness for all those types of Bonds which won't be able to live up to the Bond of Quantum.

but which Bond wore lipstick?

[JimmyBond]

I don't necessarily agree that it will be looked down upon in ten years time. Though I can agree with you about TND, it is a fun Bond film, and ten years ago I felt differently about it, though even than my opinion of it was that it was a pretty fun Bond film that did what it set out to do.

I've made no secret that I love QoS, I do feel that it has a strong story and fits nicely alongside CR. I also know that many people do not feel the way I do. Perhaps in ten years time they'll reevaluate it, perhaps not. I

I'm not really sure why it matters though, I'm content in the fact that I enjoy QoS, I really don't care what other's think of the film (which is why I rarely pop up in any QoS debate threads anymore).

[Tarl_Cabot]

I still Love The Living Daylights *gulp* 22.5 years later...I see no reason why I won't love Quantum in 10...especially if the next few are dissapointments. *perish the thought*