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[TraceyBond007]

He needs to take some criticism. His writing his horrible...

[byline]

He needs to take some criticism. His writing his horrible...

Well, considering that we're all amateurs chiming in with ideas, let's see yours.

[TraceyBond007]

I'm not a writer. I'm just passing my opinion on the pathetic writing by some people. spesh Harkin. I mean, who would even THINK of puttin his ideas in a movie. LOL

I mean COME ON....

A MUSIC CUE starts up. it’s kind of a dark Bond theme, The Bond theme is there, but is disguised. It’s called ‘We Need To Talk’

THE MAN pulls the trigger, a silenced shot shatters WHITE’s kneecap. WHITE falls to the floor in pain. WHITE attempts to crawl towards the Villa doors. We see THE MAN's hand grab the phome and run off. White continues to crawl this is intercut with THE MAN running down the stairs. His phone in one hand, his gun in the other. We only see his lower legs and shoes. From a first person view, the side door to the villa is kicked open. THE MAN runs out. We cut to a shot, looking over THE MAN’s shoulder. He calmly walks over to an injured WHITE, who’s trying frantically to get up the steps.

From an Alternate Angle, THE MAN walks next to him, and climbs the steps. WHITE looks up, horrified. THE MAN turns his phone off, and puts it in his pocket. He looks down angrilly at WHITE, THE MAN is revealed to be JAMES BOND, he looks tired, but still, calm and collected.

BOND: The Names Bond.... James Bond.

WHITE quickly presses a button on the side of his WATCH, it starts to bleep.

BOND’s cocky smile soon turns sour. He quickly grabs Whites arm, ripping his watch off in the process, he runs across to the lake and throws it in.

WHITE: (laughing manically) The signal’s already been sent, you have about 20 seconds.

He grabs WHITE by the collar, and drags him around to the other side of the Villla, We see an ASTON MARTIN DBS. BOND throws WHITE into a wall, who lets out a yelp. BOND, not taking his eyes off WHITE, pulls a key out of his pocket, and presses the key chain, the ASTON MARTIN unlocks. BOND grabs WHITE, and throws him down on the floor, smashing his body off the ASTON MARTIN in the process. BOND steps over WHITE and opens the boot.

BOND: (calmly) Get in....

WHITE: (laughing coldly) What!?

BOND: GET IN THE BLOODY BOOT!

BOND grabs WHITE and throws him in the boot of the car, WHITE screaming and cursing in pain. WHITE then starts to laugh creepily, we see BOND look down at the camera, shutting the boot in the process.

THE SCREEN FADES TO BLACK.

1. HORRIBLE IDEA.
2. We've already seen in CASINO BOYLE. We don't need to see it agian.

[byline]

I'm not a writer. I'm just passing my opinion on the pathetic writing by some people. spesh Harkin. I mean, who would even THINK of puttin his ideas in a movie. LOL

Nobody here claimed to be writing Pulitzer Prize-winning material, they're just throwing out alternative ideas for what they'd liked to have seen done. At least they're making that effort and taking the risk of having others see their ideas, which is more than you've done up to this point. Far easier just to sit back and be the computer-chair critic.

More than once, various posters among us have said that perhaps it's better we fans aren't involved in the creative process that goes into Bond films. Best to leave it to the professionals. But I don't think an exchange of ideas is going to hurt anyone, now is it?

[TraceyBond007]

But if the idea is as bad as his...

Come on. You have to admit it's poor.

[byline]

But if the idea is as bad as his...

Come on. You have to admit it's poor.

Ugh, this is tedious. I don't have to admit anything. In your opinion, it's poor. I like the film as is, so I'm just scanning over the ideas, then shrugging most of them off because for me, "Quantum of Solace" works. That's as far as it goes for me.

[DamnCoffee]

Mharkin. You are a CRAP writer, and I can't stress that enough. Please don't give up your day job, you'll need it.


Some Bond fan HE is.

Oh, as for your ideas. They're literally horrible. They make me sick!

A good day to you as well. I got your lovely PM - maybe I am a crap writer, in your eyes anyway. But other people enjoy hearing my ideas, and I enjoy writing them.

If you don't like them, then it's fine. But please DO NOT publicly degrade me. I'm a massive James Bond fan, I've been posting on here for around 3 years now, and I've loved every second of it and for YOU to come in and judge me, is beyond despicable.

I'll take what you said into account. Thanks for your kind words dear, now piss off.

[SecretAgentFan]

Mharkin. You are a CRAP writer, and I can't stress that enough. Please don't give up your day job, you'll need it.


Some Bond fan HE is.

Oh, as for your ideas. They're literally horrible. They make me sick!

A good day to you as well. I got your lovely PM - maybe I am a crap writer, in your eyes anyway. But other people enjoy hearing my ideas, and I enjoy writing them.

If you don't like them, then it's fine. But please DO NOT publicly degrade me. I'm a massive James Bond fan, I've been posting on here for around 3 years now, and I've loved every second of it and for YOU to come in and judge me, is beyond despicable.

I'll take what you said into account. Thanks for your kind words dear, now piss off.

Well said. It reflects very poorly on this guy/girl to pour his hate on you. A very pointless statement of his/her huge envy. Because you did what he/she just could not.

By the way, I am a working screenwriter. And Mharkin, your writing is very good, very visual, very atmospheric. Don´t let this guy/girl stop you. Instead be encouraged by that to write even more.

Keep up the interesting work!


By the way: this guy/girl just joined today. Maybe he/she is someone you know? Some idiot who wants to make you feel bad?

[Trident]

He needs to take some criticism. His writing his horrible...

You really think so?

God, are you being serious. I found that an utter drag to be honest. I mean, Quantum of Solace is a bad Bond film, but for it to start like that would make it a lot worst.

Ah, I see...

Mharkin. You are a CRAP writer, and I can't stress that enough. Please don't give up your day job, you'll need it.


Some Bond fan HE is.

Oh, as for your ideas. They're literally horrible. They make me sick!

Well, hope you're getting back to well soon, as you really, really seem to be such an enormous and profound improvement. Perhaps not exactly on writing matters, but I suppose you must have a host of other qualities to make up for some deficiencies regarding manners.

[Jim]

Feed not the troll.

As someone wise once observed, it's not so much giving such persons the oxygen of publicity that's the problem, it's giving them the oxygen of oxygen.

[byline]

Mharkin. You are a CRAP writer, and I can't stress that enough. Please don't give up your day job, you'll need it.


Some Bond fan HE is.

Oh, as for your ideas. They're literally horrible. They make me sick!

A good day to you as well. I got your lovely PM - maybe I am a crap writer, in your eyes anyway. But other people enjoy hearing my ideas, and I enjoy writing them.

If you don't like them, then it's fine. But please DO NOT publicly degrade me. I'm a massive James Bond fan, I've been posting on here for around 3 years now, and I've loved every second of it and for YOU to come in and judge me, is beyond despicable.

I'll take what you said into account. Thanks for your kind words dear, now piss off.

Well said. It reflects very poorly on this guy/girl to pour his hate on you. A very pointless statement of his/her huge envy. Because you did what he/she just could not.

Yup. It appears that the poster's grand total of 23 posts are devoted to either insulting "Quantum of Solace" (as well as "Casino Royale" and all things Craig) or insulting Mharkin's writing. We are all entitled to our opinions, but c'mon, that's overkill. (And, by the way, I have a funny feeling that there's something in the posting guidelines about flaming/baiting other posters.)

By the way, I am a working screenwriter. And Mharkin, your writing is very good, very visual, very atmospheric. Don´t let this guy/girl stop you. Instead be encouraged by that to write even more.

Keep up the interesting work!

Hear, hear!

Edited by byline, 25 August 2009 - 07:06 PM.

[Trident]

One of these days I'm going to re-watch QOS(seeing it a thrid time, although I'm trying to avoid this with most films lately) and see if I can find some points for improvement (not that I think I could do much of an enhancement on the film). I cannot promise I'd really change so much, perhaps a few minor things, but first I will have to see it again to make up my mind on that.

[Trident]

Sorry, 501-thingy (or was that 504???)

[Trident]

Anyway, wasn't supposed to post this x-times. Sorry again!

[DamnCoffee]

While you´re at it, Mharkin - why don´t you re-write the Tosca sequence just as you re-wrote this beginning? I´d love to read that!

As you wish.

I'm not too happy with this overall guys, I think think it feels quite generic and Brosnan-ish, but here you go.

GREENE: This is the worlds most precious resource, we need to control as much of it as we can! Bolivia must be our top priority!

A sly cold smirk spreads across BOND’s face, he leans forward on the bars on the top of the structure.

BOND: Can I offer an opinion? I REALLY think you people should find a better place to meet!

GREENE looks horrified, his cold eyes glare past the camera, he holds his hands to his chin. The Quantum members in the audience look twice as scared, they all look around to each other, trying to meet eachothers glance, they’re too far apart. GUY HAINES is the first to rise from his seat. The rest get up almost at once.

BOND: Oh and where do you think you’re going?

BOND takes a camera phone out of his pocket, and snaps the QUANTUM members.

We see MR WHITE in the audience, he remains seated. Looking around warily. He sees the departing QUANTUM members, and turns to the woman sitting next to him.

WHITE: Well, TOSCA isn’t for everyone!

Back in the private room. GREENE and ELVIS glance at each other as GREENE gets up out of his seat and angrilly barges out of the door, his pace increasing with each step.

GREENE: Make sure you get everything we brought with us. We’ve been compromised!

3 MEN follow his orders, and go on ahead. GREENE spins round on the spot, holding ELVIS’ face with his hand. He looks at him coldly.

GREENE: Get rid of him!

ELVIS nods and leaves GREENE with the remaining 2 MEN. GREENE stares JUST past the camera, angrilly. On the TOSCA structure, BOND finishes taking photographs and the remaining QUANTUM members and stuffs the phone back into his pocket. He hears someone coming up the stairs, BOND turns sharply and looks over the banisters. He sees the approching guard walking up the stairs, without waiting, BOND jumps over the banister and lands on top of the guard, the GUARD falls down the stairs. BOND grabs the GUARD’s neck and cracks it, he dies instantly.

Suddenly the door at the bottom of the stairs opens. It’s ELVIS, within a millisecond; ELVIS draws his gun and aims it at BOND. ELVIS fires, BOND darts to one side, the bullet missing him by inches. ELVIS goes to shoot again, BOND runs back up the stairs and back on top of the structure, another bullet missing BOND as he darts round a corner. ELVIS runs up the stairs following BOND. BOND draws his gun, waiting for ELVIS to appear. ELVIS is too quick for him; he slams into BOND full force and knocks him back on the Iron bars supporting the structure. They shake violently.

BONDS gun falls out of his grasp and down onto the stage below. BOND is defenceless. He raises his leg and kicks ELVIS full force between his legs. ELVIS screams, dropping his weapon. Not wasting anytime, BOND punches ELVIS in the face; he flies back into the structure. ELVIS gets back up, this time ready for BOND’s punches. This leads into a short, but violent fist fight on top of the structure. ELVIS retrieves his gun and takes another shot at BOND. It misses again, but BOND is lucky, his left shoulder is grazed. THE BULLET hits one of the ropes, supporting the large blue eye in the TOSCA performance. The rope begins to unravel and the structure begins to creak violently.BOND, bloodied and bruised runs to the centre of the structure, and climbs on to the rope, the rope fully unravels, just as BOND begins to swing, ELVIS takes a running jump, and grasps BOND around the waist. BOND and ELVIS swing together, right in front of pupil in the large eye.

The crowd reaction is remarkable. They all stand up and cheer, thinking its part of the performance. WHITE looks on, surprised. BOND continues to throw punches at ELVIS who is determined to hang onto BOND. He smacks him full force in the face, ELVIS yelps, but still hangs on. Swinging back and forth, BOND elbows ELVIS with such force that he screams, too. ELVIS slips from BOND’s grasp and falls 20 feet onto the stage below. THE ACTORS look mortified, but carry on with the performance.

BOND, heading towards a lower part of the structure holds his hand out and grasps it tightly. BOND comes to a halt, the rope still clutched tight in his hands. ELVIS gets up on the stage, his face is all bloody. He looks up at BOND, who looks back. BOND, out of breath and angry, looks up and starts to climb. Accompanied by a Operatic Bond theme, BOND jumps and starts to swing again, he’s heading straight for ELVIS. BOND swings in front of the astonished audience, holds his arm out and grabs his gun off the floor. ELVIS looks up, horrified. BOND, heading right towards him, points his gun at ELVIS, and fires. ELVIS clutches his shoulder, trying to stop the blood from pouring. BOND turns on the rope and kicks ELVIS directly in the stomach. BOND, travelling at such speed, carries and injured ELVIS with him, between his legs. BOND kicks ELVIS again, sending him over the bars into the nearby lake.

BOND drops off the rope, and violently rips the hearing device out of his ear, throwing it to one side. He walks up through the audience, catching terrified glances from onlookers. BOND makes his way into the Foyer, this is intercut with GREENE and his men walking towards the same destination. They eventually meet at the bottom of the stairs, and coldly glance at each other. BOND starts to walk off warily. GREENE signals his men behind him, they draw their guns and follow BOND as he walks into the restaurant...

[DaveBond21]

MHarkin, I think your work is really good. Especially for an 18 year old.

[byline]

MHarkin, I think your work is really good. Especially for an 18 year old.

Seriously, Mharkin's only 18? Bravo!

[Mr. Blofeld]

MHarkin, I think your work is really good. Especially for an 18 year old.

Seriously, Mharkin's only 18? Bravo!

Yep; just a few months older than I, and he's a heck of a lot better at what he does than I am.

MHarkin, I think your work is really good. Especially for an 18 year old.

Seriously, Mharkin's only 18? Bravo!

Yep; just a few months older than I, and he's a heck of a lot better at what he does than I am.

[SecretAgentFan]

Wow, Mharkin. That Tosca-sequence is really, really good. I especially like that the audience thinks it´s all part of the opera staging!

Hmm, let´s see. What could you do next...

By the way, did you ever try to write an original screenplay?

[Zorin Industries]

But if the idea is as bad as his...

Come on. You have to admit it's poor.

So is this easy criticism of someone who has taken the time to try a bit of personal creativity. Whether it works or not is sort of not the point. This is a forum of discussion, an arena in which to bandy about ideas, notions and thoughts. Not all of them sit well with Zorin Industries (and if you want an argument) I can give you one, but MHarkin has the very best intentions as well as better manners than I and - it seems - you, TraceyBond007.

Can we hear some of your ideas for a Bond film, Trace?

[DamnCoffee]

Thank you everyone for your kind comments. I still feel my TOSCA sequence sounds too Brosnan, though.

And Zorin, thanks.

[byline]

Yeah, Mharkin, I agree that it has a bit of a Moore/Brosnan slapsticky feel to it. But I could still see it.

Wow, I didn't know we had so many young'uns on board. Makes me feel so old!

[Tybre]

Thank you everyone for your kind comments. I still feel my TOSCA sequence sounds too Brosnan, though.

I don't think it sounds terribly Brosnan. I could see it working in a Craig film, just not QoS. Given the rest of QoS it would just feel totally out of place. I'm also a bit wary about two rope-based action sequences in the same film, especially one as short as QoS. On the whole I think it's a very good idea, but I will say that, like all of your stuff, it feels a bit rough. Nothing wrong with that though.

[Mr_Wint]

GREENE: Make sure you get everything we brought with us. We’ve been compromised!

If I'm not mistaken, I think Greene says "Get rid of anything we brought with us. We've been compromised" in the film.

As with most of the dialogue in Quantum it is pretty much pointless, but hey, at least it gives Greene something 'cool' to say while the Tosca music is playing in the background... I wonder what did they brought to the opera and how they got rid of it.

[DamnCoffee]

Aha, he does. I was just working from memory. I couldn't be bothered to go upstairs and get the DVD.

[JimmyBond]

GREENE: Make sure you get everything we brought with us. We’ve been compromised!

If I'm not mistaken, I think Greene says "Get rid of anything we brought with us. We've been compromised" in the film.

As with most of the dialogue in Quantum it is pretty much pointless, but hey, at least it gives Greene something 'cool' to say while the Tosca music is playing in the background... I wonder what did they brought to the opera and how they got rid of it.

I always took it to mean Greene was telling everyone to get rid of the transmitters they were using to talk to all the Quantum members. Surely if Greene felt they were at danger he didnt want anything on him to point to his being a member of Quantum.

[DaveBond21]

Thank you everyone for your kind comments. I still feel my TOSCA sequence sounds too Brosnan, though.

I don't think it sounds terribly Brosnan. I could see it working in a Craig film, just not QoS. Given the rest of QoS it would just feel totally out of place. I'm also a bit wary about two rope-based action sequences in the same film, especially one as short as QoS. On the whole I think it's a very good idea, but I will say that, like all of your stuff, it feels a bit rough. Nothing wrong with that though.

The ropes and interrupting the performance were my ideas.

[Double-Oh Agent]

GREENE: Make sure you get everything we brought with us. We’ve been compromised!

If I'm not mistaken, I think Greene says "Get rid of anything we brought with us. We've been compromised" in the film.

As with most of the dialogue in Quantum it is pretty much pointless, but hey, at least it gives Greene something 'cool' to say while the Tosca music is playing in the background... I wonder what did they brought to the opera and how they got rid of it.

I always took it to mean Greene was telling everyone to get rid of the transmitters they were using to talk to all the Quantum members. Surely if Greene felt they were at danger he didnt want anything on him to point to his being a member of Quantum.

Cell phones too. Perhaps even their clothes. At that point, he could have suspected some CIA chicanery on the plane to help Bond.

[Trident]

I would'nt direct it in the style of Dogmar.

I would lengthen the shots and pull the camera back a bit. I would also slow it down a tad.

I can barely watch the thing it makes me dizzy.

Hey, perhaps there ought to be a warning notice? Like:

May trigger dizziness and a severe dissatisfaction with the film, director Forster, EON and James Bond 007 in general!

Watch responsibly!

Don't watch and drive!

Watchers die younger!

Watching seriously harms you and others around you!

Protect children: don't make them watch you watching QOS!

and most importantly:

Get help to stop watching: [telephone]/[postal address]/[internet address]/consult craigsnotblond!

[Pierce - Daniel]

GOT YOUR ATTENTION?

Good.
Lets get this straight once and for all. QOS is not badly directed in fact it's fantastically directed. It's one of the films major success'. Forster's movie looks amazing, and his angles are expertly chosen, his ability to really capture each of his locations makes QOS feel like you really have travelled the globe in 105 minutes. His use of intercutting is extremebly good the way he tells two seperate stories each with a similar theme running through. Tosca's backstroy connecting to CR while we see Bond running through the opera wrecking havoc on his revenge mission. Very well done. It all comes to a head when Bond and Camille go after there different agendas and it all comes undone, leaving Bond to relaise there is more to life then seeking a hollow revenge.

QOS though is far from perfect, the editing is distracting and pretty bad (which Forster did oversee and had the biggest say in, so in this case it can be considered bad direction), having said that I love the car chase. The script is really weak which goes to the writters (funnily CR's script was it's strongest point)and stroy is hung together poorly. I truly think that if the strike hadn't have happened there is no doubt QOS would have been as good as CR. They were working off an unfinished script and it showed.

Edited by Pierce - Daniel, 27 August 2009 - 01:33 PM.