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[Tarl_Cabot]

BOURNE 4 will rock so hard it isn't even funny.

Damon and Greengrass - one of the all-time great partnerships, up there with Lennon and McCartney and Reeves and Mortimer.

Craig and Forster....

Bond, Bourne and Batman...everyone else can take a number and have a seat.

[Eurospy]

I just remembered that The Prometheus Deception seems like a natural for the cinematic Bourne. The Spanish Armada sequence in the book would be thrilling to watch on the screen, and the plot (from what I remember) could quite easily be adapted for Bourne in a natural and logical manner.

[stamper]

Bourne 4 will own all the next Bond outings, lock stock and barrel. Unless Martin Campbell his involved of course.

[Eurospy]

No matter how entertaining the Bourne films have been, if they keep releasing them with plots and action directing that's almost exactly as the previous outings, Bourne will sink after the 5th.

That was the problem affecting the Bond movies "Oh, it's just another Bond movie, same thing as always". It has been corrected so far with these last two, thus their success. Like them or hate them, for most people it feels a bit fresher.

If that also happens to the Bourne franchise, repeating the same things as always I have little doubt that the franchise will dig itself a grave. Even moreso considering that the Bourne franchise relies too much on thin plot and frantic shaky camera movements.

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Joshua Zetumer boards Bourne 4

Uncredited Quantum of Solace screenwriter to tackle another famous spy

[DAN LIGHTER]

I liked the three book and three films. Dont need a 4th film though do we?

[Loomis]

Yes, we do. Bourne is the most exciting franchise out there at the moment.

[Conlazmoodalbrocra]

I'm excited for Bourne 4, but not nearly as excited as I am for Bond 23!

[marktmurphy]

It's difficult because the attraction of Bourne was in that you know what you're getting: grim Euro locations, visceral fight scenes, people looking at monitors shouting 'Find me Bourne, people!', a thumping car chase etc. But the problem is is that they've rather done that now- the story has finished, we've probably seen the same stuff repackaged enough times... I'm sure they're cleverer than me but I can't think where they can go with it.

[dee-bee-five]

Damon and Greengrass - one of the all-time great partnerships, up there with Lennon and McCartney and Reeves and Mortimer.

You're not wrong there about those twosomes being on a par. Tiresome, overrated bores - all of 'em.

I barely cared about the first three Bournes. Can you imagine how I feel about the fourth...?

[Loomis]

It's difficult because the attraction of Bourne was in that you know what you're getting: grim Euro locations, visceral fight scenes, people looking at monitors shouting 'Find me Bourne, people!', a thumping car chase etc. But the problem is is that they've rather done that now- the story has finished, we've probably seen the same stuff repackaged enough times... I'm sure they're cleverer than me but I can't think where they can go with it.

Taking the series out of Europe would be a simple but very effective change (in spite of Goa and Moscow in BOURNE 2 and Tangier and New York City in BOURNE 3, I think it's fair to say that, as you put it, the three films deal mostly in "grim Euro locations"). If I were in charge, I'd take Bourne to Bangkok, Beijing, Saigon, Seoul, Tokyo....

Indeed, rumour has it that BOURNE 4 will take place largely in South America.

[Tybre]

Yes, we do. Bourne is the most exciting franchise out there at the moment.

If it's so exciting how is it it has never once interested me to watch so much as a minute of it? Although exciting isn't necessarily the same as interesting, I'm just saying, if it were the most damn exciting thing out there right now I'd probably have the urge to see at least one, or have people nagging me to see one, or something, no?

[Loomis]

Well, if you've never watched so much as a minute of it, then you're hardly qualified to pass judgement on it.

[DamnCoffee]

Joshua Zetumer boards Bourne 4

Uncredited Quantum of Solace screenwriter to tackle another famous spy

*Waits for Bourne copying from Bond debate*

[Tybre]

Well, if you've never watched so much as a minute of it, then you're hardly qualified to pass judgement on it.

True. And I'm not saying they're dull. I'm just saying calling it the most exciting film franchise on the market at the moment seems to be a bit of an overstatement if, judging by things people have said, trailer for the third one way back when, etc never garnered a moment of interest. But it's a bit of a pointless argument. My opinion very likely won't change and I severely doubt if yours shall any time soon. So I'm just going to leave this thread now.

[Judo chop]

It will have to be different. Very different. If not, it would best that the series goes back to its roots in BI and passes on masking a thin script with trickery and sleight-of-hand-direction that defined BS and BU.

I will not tolerate any more:

Chase!
Headquarters: “FIND BOURNE!!!”
Chase!
Headquarters: “WHO DO WE HAVE IN PERU? ACTIVATE ALL ASSESTS IN PERU!!!”
Chase!
Headquarters: “PAM, YOU’RE IN DEEP . YOU’RE IN WAAAAAY PAST YOUR PAYGRADE.”
BIG Chase!
Bourne: “Thanks Pam.”
<end credits>

But, my gut tells me that it will be different. An illusionist can't keep doing the same trick over and over again, to the same audience or eventually he'll get caught. Greengrass has got to realize that it's time to switch up the act.

[Judo chop]

damn.

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oops. edited.

[DamnCoffee]

An illusionist can't keep doing the same trick over and over again...

Ah, but isn't that what Bond has done for years, (Bar OHMSS and LTK) it was only until Casino Royale when we got to see something REALLY different.

[Judo chop]

Ah, but isn't that what Bond has done for years, (Bar OHMSS and LTK) it was only until Casino Royale when we got to see something REALLY different.

Yes. And I've come to realize that Bond didn't get away with it, despite what the BO numbers would suggest.

But that being said, even while Bond walked in the valley of the shadow of death, he still had more to work with than Bourne. Bond had girls, locations, classy joints, particular tastes, awesome stunts, clever lines, humor… invention. Bourne has tricky camera work creating the illusion of high-impact action and a few clever spy tricks. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not dissing what Bourne has… not now, at least. It’s fun stuff, but make no mistake… Bourne is a one-(or two)-trick-pony. The Bourne world is simply not as lush and his formula not as expansive as Bond’s. It will become old much, much faster, as BU started to show evidence of.

[Safari Suit]

Will be we seeing adaptations of other Ludlum works, such as The Noun Adjective?

[Judo chop]

Will be we seeing adaptations of other Ludlum works, such as The Noun Adjective?

They’re having problems coming up with an action-packed script, since the story was written mostly without verbs.

Just as well, because I actually prefer his other, more cerebral piece, THE TRUTH SUBJECTIVE. I predict lots of division among fans on this one.

[The Ghost Who Walks]

Well, if you've never watched so much as a minute of it, then you're hardly qualified to pass judgement on it.

True. And I'm not saying they're dull. I'm just saying calling it the most exciting film franchise on the market at the moment seems to be a bit of an overstatement if, judging by things people have said, trailer for the third one way back when, etc never garnered a moment of interest. But it's a bit of a pointless argument. My opinion very likely won't change and I severely doubt if yours shall any time soon. So I'm just going to leave this thread now.

Turn off your computer and go out and buy the entire trilogy. You won't regret it.

[Aris007]

I'm excited for Bourne 4, but not nearly as excited as I am for Bond 23!

You didn't have to type the sentence after the comma!

[marktmurphy]

Yes, we do. Bourne is the most exciting franchise out there at the moment.

If it's so exciting how is it it has never once interested me to watch so much as a minute of it? Although exciting isn't necessarily the same as interesting, I'm just saying, if it were the most damn exciting thing out there right now I'd probably have the urge to see at least one, or have people nagging me to see one, or something, no?

Well no: you can't tell if something has excited you until after you've watched it. It's impossible to tell without giving it an opportunity to excite you.
"I've never seen a Hitchcock, but if they're so tense how come I've never watched one?" That statement doesn't make sense: the two aren't related to each other.

Where did you get the idea that the third wasn't anticipated?

[Aris007]

I'm excited for Bourne 4, but not nearly as excited as I am for Bond 23!

You didn't have to type the sentence after the comma!

[DamnCoffee]

Bourne 4 will own all the next Bond outings, lock stock and barrel. Unless Martin Campbell his involved of course.

So you're not concerned that Joshua Zetumer, the screenwriter of the 'horrible' Quantum of Solace, will helm the next Bourne outing then?

[Judo chop]

Bourne 4 will own all the next Bond outings, lock stock and barrel. Unless Martin Campbell his involved of course.

So you're not concerned that Joshua Zetumer, the screenwriter of the 'horrible' Quantum of Solace, will helm the next Bourne outing then?

I think the fact that Stamper sees Martin Campbell as the only director possibly capable of creating a Bond film equal to the task is evidence enough that his mind has slammed shut like a winchless, rusted portcullis.

[Tybre]

Well, if you've never watched so much as a minute of it, then you're hardly qualified to pass judgement on it.

True. And I'm not saying they're dull. I'm just saying calling it the most exciting film franchise on the market at the moment seems to be a bit of an overstatement if, judging by things people have said, trailer for the third one way back when, etc never garnered a moment of interest. But it's a bit of a pointless argument. My opinion very likely won't change and I severely doubt if yours shall any time soon. So I'm just going to leave this thread now.

Turn off your computer and go out and buy the entire trilogy. You won't regret it.

I may well do it. Going to need something to distract myself over the weekend while mum's boyfriend is around.

[dodge]

Bourne 4 will own all the next Bond outings, lock stock and barrel. Unless Martin Campbell his involved of course.

So you're not concerned that Joshua Zetumer, the screenwriter of the 'horrible' Quantum of Solace, will helm the next Bourne outing then?

I think the fact that Stamper sees Martin Campbell as the only director possibly capable of creating a Bond film equal to the task is evidence enough that his mind has slammed shut like a winchless, rusted portcullis.

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