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#91 Quincy

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 05:32 PM

-Reshoot the PTS scene so that you can see what is going on better.
-Lose the subtitles for the different locations. Those were annoying.
-Have Bond open the parachute a few seconds before when he did to make it look more clausible for appearances sake. They should be dead.

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 05:39 PM

-Reshoot the PTS scene so that you can see what is going on better.
No way. This is one of the best action scenes I have seen . I can watch it again and again and see new stuff.
-Lose the subtitles for the different locations. Those were annoying.
I thought they were beautiful.
-Have Bond open the parachute a few seconds before when he did to make it look more clausible for appearances sake. They should be dead.
Yes.



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Posted 24 November 2008 - 05:42 PM

Four things:

#1 - Gunbarrel at the begginning. I understood why they did it, but I would have still preferred it at the beginning.

#2 - A new title song. Still don't like it. Yick!

#3 - Agreed, have the parachute open about 3 more seconds.

#4 - Have Bond drop a heavy anchor in the water after he throws the rope and hook into the boat which flipped.

Other than those rather minor things, it is now my #2 all time favorite Bond movie.

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 10:25 AM

Remove Bill Tanner awkwardly staring at the camera in full close-up in several scenes.

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 10:48 AM

The Director - please!!!

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 05:07 PM

-The first thing I would like to change is to keep the gun barrel sequence just before the start, coz it fits there better.
-Secondly change the manner in which bond throws the necklace in the snow(like so coldly) as it still gives a feeling that Bond may not have forgiven Vesper after all.
-And then the title track; I mean the background score and the lyrics sounds good, but the vocals are definitely not matching with the music, instead try somebody else for singing who can do justice with it.
-rest some technical aspects has being accounted by my fellow Daddy Bond.

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 06:52 PM

-Secondly change the manner in which bond throws the necklace in the snow(like so coldly) as it still gives a feeling that Bond may not have forgiven Vesper after all.

On the surface, it may look that way, but remember that everything Bond has ever shown M about his feelings for Vesper (with the exception of his admission to M that she was right about Vesper) had the appearance of emotional detachment because Bond wants it to look that way. That's his professional demeanor; he won't concede anything to M, even though she appears to be looking for it.

Also, maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I see a linkage with Vesper not wearing the necklace toward the end of "Casino Royale"; she said that sometimes you can forget the past. Maybe Bond hasn't forgotten, but he has forgiven ... her and himself.

So I think throwing the necklace down into the falling snow was meant to say to M that this was over. And, in a sense, it was, but for Bond, it's really that he found his tiny bit of solace in preventing another Vesper in Corinne; he saw in Corinne all that Vesper had gone through, and so he knew it was true that Vesper's betrayal was coerced, and he understood that her love for him may well have been as real as his for her. He's also seen how little reward revenge brought to Camille. So, to my eyes, there's very much a double-entendre to Bond's comments and actions with M (and her with him), and this closing scene is a classic example of that. The beauty of "Quantum of Solace" is that it can be read and appreciated on many different levels; I see something new with each viewing. And I really enjoy that.

Edited by byline, 01 December 2008 - 07:03 PM.


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Posted 01 December 2008 - 07:56 PM

he saw in Corinne all that Vesper had gone through, and so he knew it was true that Vesper's betrayal was coerced

I agree with everything you said, byline, but would also like to explicitly point out that the necklace would be a reminder of Vesper's ex-boyfriend and his betrayal of her, and ultimately the reason behind her eventual suicide. It would only serve as an indirect reminder of Vesper, not of Vesper herself.

In other words: the necklace leads to BAD memories, not GOOD ones. Thus Bond chucks it. He only wants the good memories.

I do wonder if Bond kept the seashell from Vesper's purse in CR, however. That might have been a worthy memento of their happier times together.

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 08:50 PM

he saw in Corinne all that Vesper had gone through, and so he knew it was true that Vesper's betrayal was coerced

I agree with everything you said, byline, but would also like to explicitly point out that the necklace would be a reminder of Vesper's ex-boyfriend and his betrayal of her, and ultimately the reason behind her eventual suicide. It would only serve as an indirect reminder of Vesper, not of Vesper herself.

In other words: the necklace leads to BAD memories, not GOOD ones. Thus Bond chucks it. He only wants the good memories.

I do wonder if Bond kept the seashell from Vesper's purse in CR, however. That might have been a worthy memento of their happier times together.


Agreed. Further, since the necklace was obviously something that Vesper's boyfriend used on all (or many) of his conquests, it had no real value. It was basically meaningless. It represented deception, not a cherished memory. It was a throwaway object that served only to hurt Vesper. Throwing away the necklace to me was not so much Bond forgetting about Vesper, but finally valuing what THEY had together and that she had given her life in an attempt to save his. To me, Bond throwing away the necklace was Bond embracing his memories with Vesper, forgiving her, and throwing away what had deceived and mislead her.

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 09:02 PM

he saw in Corinne all that Vesper had gone through, and so he knew it was true that Vesper's betrayal was coerced

I agree with everything you said, byline, but would also like to explicitly point out that the necklace would be a reminder of Vesper's ex-boyfriend and his betrayal of her, and ultimately the reason behind her eventual suicide. It would only serve as an indirect reminder of Vesper, not of Vesper herself.

In other words: the necklace leads to BAD memories, not GOOD ones. Thus Bond chucks it. He only wants the good memories.

I do wonder if Bond kept the seashell from Vesper's purse in CR, however. That might have been a worthy memento of their happier times together.


Agreed. Further, since the necklace was obviously something that Vesper's boyfriend used on all (or many) of his conquests, it had no real value. It was basically meaningless. It represented deception, not a cherished memory. It was a throwaway object that served only to hurt Vesper. Throwing away the necklace to me was not so much Bond forgetting about Vesper, but finally valuing what THEY had together and that she had given her life in an attempt to save his. To me, Bond throwing away the necklace was Bond embracing his memories with Vesper, forgiving her, and throwing away what had deceived and mislead her.

Yes. That's exactly what I meant, but said better. To hold onto it would keep Bond in the past. To be healed of that - to find his Solace - Bond HAS to throw it away.

No question. If there's anyway to improve the scene in this sense, it would have been for Bond to make Yusef eat the necklace, as Greene was compelled to drink the oil.

No, just kidding. It's great the way it is.

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 09:05 PM

-Put the GB back to the start and keep the orginal Binder design.
-Spend more time in the underground bottini during the Michell chase, it was underused, the roof top chase was badly edited, and Bourne did the same thing better in his last film, do that entire bit differently.
-Keep Greene alive.
-Include the Fleming QOS story somehow.

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 09:08 PM

-Spend more time in the underground bottini during the Michell chase, it was underused


Seconded! The way they used them, the bottini didn't really feel "underground", more like nondescript corridors.

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 12:20 AM

I think the essence of Fleming's story - and thus the meaning of the title - could have been explained. Mathis could have given his theory of the "quantum of solace" to Bond during the airplane scene.

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 12:35 AM

Spend more time in the underground bottini during the Michell chase, it was underused

Yes, I agree. I was disappointed with the little airtime this location received. The way it was shot, we couldn’t see much of it anyway. Quite a shame, I wanted something like FRWL’s Istanbul catacombs. It’s straight to the QoS videogame if you want to see any of this place.

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 03:02 AM

he saw in Corinne all that Vesper had gone through, and so he knew it was true that Vesper's betrayal was coerced

I agree with everything you said, byline, but would also like to explicitly point out that the necklace would be a reminder of Vesper's ex-boyfriend and his betrayal of her, and ultimately the reason behind her eventual suicide. It would only serve as an indirect reminder of Vesper, not of Vesper herself.

In other words: the necklace leads to BAD memories, not GOOD ones. Thus Bond chucks it. He only wants the good memories.

I do wonder if Bond kept the seashell from Vesper's purse in CR, however. That might have been a worthy memento of their happier times together.

Very good points!

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 09:47 AM

he saw in Corinne all that Vesper had gone through, and so he knew it was true that Vesper's betrayal was coerced

I agree with everything you said, byline, but would also like to explicitly point out that the necklace would be a reminder of Vesper's ex-boyfriend and his betrayal of her, and ultimately the reason behind her eventual suicide. It would only serve as an indirect reminder of Vesper, not of Vesper herself.

In other words: the necklace leads to BAD memories, not GOOD ones. Thus Bond chucks it. He only wants the good memories.

I do wonder if Bond kept the seashell from Vesper's purse in CR, however. That might have been a worthy memento of their happier times together.

Very good points!



Thanks Judo, Daddy and Byline, as I was a little bit in dilemma as to why did he throw the necklace, but now my doubt is cleared. Of course nobody can keep bad memories with themselves.

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 04:33 PM

I just read an article about QoS. The article was published pre-release. In it, there is an interesting line about Fields which I felt they never explored:

"Agent Fields is an agent sent by MI6 who may or may not be interested in helping Bond."

I suddenly realized that they never bothered to explore the possibility that she could be a Quantum agent! That would have been more fun (e.g. name reveal) and gives Arterton a little more screen time. After all, Vesper - a Treasury agent worked for Quantum and we just had Mitchell, another traitor, so why would Bond not even try to get her to fess up a little bit before the shagging begins?

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 05:14 PM

Here's a checklist of what I would have changed throughout the flick:

  • The editing. I'm not one of those "it's too incoherent" fellas. I don't really mind the tight editing too much, but it's still something I wish wasn't there. The issue isn't how it changes the action, but how it fails to make Craig's performance front-and-center. The best thing about CASINO ROYALE's action sequences is that Craig was acting in them throughout. No doubt he was doing the same in most of QUANTUM OF SOLACE's action, but Forster never dwells on it.
  • The title sequence and song would be more appropriate for this darker Bond flick. They're both a bit too jaunty, I daresay.
  • The interrogation with Mr. White would be oh-so-slightly lengthened.
  • The Haiti sequence would be modified about. I quite like most of it, but I think there was a better way of climaxing it all than the rather lackluster boat chase. So perhaps a shorter, more punctuated bit of action.
  • We'd get a bit more Bond and Fields in the suite.
  • Mathis' death wouldn't have the confusing dialogue about codenames or the obvious nod to Vesper.
  • Bond and Camille's dialogue on the plane would be extended.
  • The DC3 chase would either be significantly shortened and modified (no silly freefall, however you do it), or it wouldn't be present at all and replaced by some other means of getting Bond and Camille to discover Greene's plan.
  • The finale in Perlas de las Dunas would get some more interesting tension-building. Perhaps Bond decides to snipe out some of the perimeter guard? Dunno where he'd get the sniper rifle, but maybe that could be worked in there somewhere. Otherwise, it's just a bit of a bland, typical action-y climax, with a fistfight in a flaming, exploding building.
  • The dialogue in the final scene with M wouldn't include the "I need you back"/"I never left" dialogue. While Bond's response is great, the whole idea of the exchange is such an action movie cliche that I think the film should have ended with some more surprising/unique dialogue.


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Posted 16 December 2008 - 08:07 AM

If I were re-writing Quantum of Solace then I'd do this.

Willowhugger's Revised Quantum of Solace

* Before the movie, the rights over Thunderball are resolved and it's SPECTRE not Quantum.

* The opening is the walking forward, shooting the barrel of the pistol.

* THEN the movie moves into the action sequence.

* No shakey-cam during the car sequence. We see it pretty much proceed as before.

* Modify the fight with the MI6 defector so Bond and he don't fight upside down but otherwise keep it normal.

* Extended dialogue with Camille and James. The two of them sharing a bit more conversation.

* After Camille's meetings, Greene's thugs grab her and drag her back to Greene. She doesn't deliberately head back to the man who tried to have her killed.

* In the meeting with Felix, Beam, and Greene; Beam says that he'll have MI6 call Bond off rather than kill him.

* Felix points out that that "The United States doesn't negotiate with terrorists" while Beam points out that's a naive view. Felix's reservations for dealing with SPECTRE are elaborated on, they don't know who these people are or if they really have found oil. Beam is shown to be overconfident and overly trusting because he thinks it'll be a coup of his career (pun intended)

* The bathroom scene is clear he's only knocked the board member out. The Q pins are replaced with "S" pins or little octopus.

* At the opera, James Bond tells M that he didn't kill the Special Branch member but he did drop him off the building in a patented James Bond quip. He also mentions he's captured one of SPECTRE's board in the bathroom.

* Mathis and James' conversation is longer. Mathis explains that he doesn't blame James because he knows that he was in love with Vesper. Also, that the spy business has worn away his ability to view things in black and white more.

* M's meeting with the Secretary is punctuated by the fact that the SPECTRE member they captured is a French Industrialist and that he's already been released. Bond is making waves with very powerful people.

* Agent Fields and Bond have a longer conversation in bed. Basically, she explaining she's an office girl and so on.

* We see Mathis getting betrayed by his old friend in a scene where he's tasered and put in Bond's car.

* Mathis is buried in the dumpster in this, but with the other police officers. Bond is hiding the murders for a while.

* The movie proceeds pretty much as is until the parachute jump. Bond and she both leap out of the plane with parachutes and they land normally.

* Agent Fields isn't dead in the hotel but is looking guilty. No Goldfinger homage. We find out she's Moneypenny Fields and is getting reassigned to the home office.

Bond says they murdered Mathis and framed him for it, so he's going to kill Greene.

* The movie proceeds as normal up until the hotel fight. Elvis is the one that attacks Bond with the fire ax rather than Greene, Greene draws a gun and Bond shoots his foot before knocking the gun away.

* Bond disposes of Green and we find out it's called SPECTRE for the first time.

* Bond captures Yusef as before.

* AFTER THE CREDITS: We see Bond kill Guy Haines so not to disrupt the movie flow. Mister White is allowed to go to tell the rest of Quantum's board that England is playing hardball.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 10:02 AM

Nothing - except perhaps getting a half competent actress to play Fields - her delivery was so stilted and awkward!
Yes, I think Austin Powers (and even Johnny English) certainly did a lot of damage to Bond - even though the Bond franchise had fallen into camp self-parody long before that. They're taking Bond into a new direction because the films can no longer sustain the formula it had pioneered but then locked itself into... I mean look at the Brosnan era... change the window dressing and every film is pretty much the same. Do we really want to go back to that? QoS is a remarkable film that will hold up much better in 10 or 20 years time than most of the others in the series...

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 03:40 AM

Since "QoS" is now out for most of us, I'd like everyone to discuss what they would've done differently; recasting of roles, rewriting of scenes, relocating certain environments--Anything that you would have done had you been behind the helm of the film.

1) More time to finish/rewrite the script (I heard rumours that the script was finished 2 hours before the Writers Guild Strike of America happened).
2) A better director (Chris Nolan maybe?)
3) The gunbarrel back at the beginning
4) Daniel Kleinman back for the titles
5) Better editors (meaning no more shaky camera shots)

Edited by danielcraigisjamesbond007, 23 December 2008 - 04:33 PM.


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Posted 30 December 2008 - 10:34 AM

Here's a checklist of what I would have changed throughout the flick:

  • The editing. I'm not one of those "it's too incoherent" fellas. I don't really mind the tight editing too much, but it's still something I wish wasn't there. The issue isn't how it changes the action, but how it fails to make Craig's performance front-and-center. The best thing about CASINO ROYALE's action sequences is that Craig was acting in them throughout. No doubt he was doing the same in most of QUANTUM OF SOLACE's action, but Forster never dwells on it.
  • The title sequence and song would be more appropriate for this darker Bond flick. They're both a bit too jaunty, I daresay.
  • The interrogation with Mr. White would be oh-so-slightly lengthened.
  • The Haiti sequence would be modified about. I quite like most of it, but I think there was a better way of climaxing it all than the rather lackluster boat chase. So perhaps a shorter, more punctuated bit of action.
  • We'd get a bit more Bond and Fields in the suite.
  • Mathis' death wouldn't have the confusing dialogue about codenames or the obvious nod to Vesper.
  • Bond and Camille's dialogue on the plane would be extended.
  • The DC3 chase would either be significantly shortened and modified (no silly freefall, however you do it), or it wouldn't be present at all and replaced by some other means of getting Bond and Camille to discover Greene's plan.
  • The finale in Perlas de las Dunas would get some more interesting tension-building. Perhaps Bond decides to snipe out some of the perimeter guard? Dunno where he'd get the sniper rifle, but maybe that could be worked in there somewhere. Otherwise, it's just a bit of a bland, typical action-y climax, with a fistfight in a flaming, exploding building.
  • The dialogue in the final scene with M wouldn't include the "I need you back"/"I never left" dialogue. While Bond's response is great, the whole idea of the exchange is such an action movie cliche that I think the film should have ended with some more surprising/unique dialogue.


Agreed.

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 11:04 AM

- Make Yousef scene the pre-credit of the movie

- Put the gunbarrel after the gallery fight when 007 shoots Mitchell

- Kill Camille in the hands of Greene

- Finish with Bond resigning from the secret service

- Set up a sequel where Quantum targets 007 as a pawn in a deadly political game, FRWL like.

And that's why fans don't make James Bond films... because they would not make motivational sense, appease anoraks notions of finality, repeat existing films key motifs and state the bloody obvious.

Amen to that.

Also, the gunbarrel during the fight scene with Mitchell would not only make for a long PTS, it would look bloody stupid.

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 11:10 AM

Mark Forster.

'Nuff said!

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 03:15 PM

1) More screentime for Leiter and Mathis
2) Scrap the freefall sequence
3) To me, parts of the film seem like a computer game in the sense that Bond is fighting his way through loads of faceless henchmen
4) I'm a fan of another way to die, but the title sequence from the video game is better than MK12's one (IMO)
5) Don't have Camille as an agent, just a randon person who wants revenge and has been sucked into the dark world of spies.
6) Re-cut the whole thing so you can actually tell what's going on in the action scenes.

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Posted 02 January 2009 - 09:25 AM

1. The film needed waaaay more pacing. We are thrown straight into the action at the beginning with no build-up, no tension. Totally unnecessary. This pretty much was the fault with the entire film. It needed a good additional 20 minutes, at least, just to pad the film out a tad, let the audience catch their breath, relax, enjoy some of the scenery, come down a bit before the next action sequence. This didn't translate from a Fleming novel at all. Fleming's books were about the smaller things in life. Bond taking a cold shower, Bond relaxing, Bond enjoying a nice meal. Couldn't we have had just one or two moments like that, instead of CRASH, BANG, WALLOP! As it is, the film comes across a bit like an unfinished piece of work, a badly edited film. Something that has been chopped to pieces on TV just to fit in the schedule. To say this film comes across rushed is an understatement. It makes Rocky 4 look like a long, drawn out epic.

2. An awful, AWFUL Bond song - the worst song in the franchise since DAD. Why not let Arnold just do it? They got it perfect in CR.

3. Have Mathis explain the phrase of the title. Again, would allow the audience a bit of breathing space again. Stop everything being claustrophobic (an odd way to describe a film, yet I've now heard this word mentioned several times to describe QoS).

4. There are still plenty of unused material in the Fleming novels - MR, DAF, TSWLM, YOLT, TMWTGG. I'll never understand why they don't use some of this. Maibaum had the right idea back in the 80's by using Fleming scenes wherever he could (FYEO and LTK especially). EON disregarded Fleming material during Brozza's era, and boy did it show. Here they did it again. CR is starting to look more and more like a one-off fluke. A masterstroke. They got it right with that film, and it is in no small part down to the source material used. They need to do that again, otherwise I start to fear for the franchise again, going down the slippery slope of the Brozza era - devoid of ideas, burnt out.

5. Make Bond human again, like he was in CR. In that film, we felt the bruises, we felt like he was in pain, in danger, in fear. In QoS, they made him Brozza super human again. Putting the odd scar on his face and some blood on his shirt is not enough. After the free-fall scene, Bond looks right as rain 2 seconds later. In CR, Bond passes out and ends up in hospital. That is how I want my Bond. Real! Not a super hero.

6. All-in-all, I loved CR. I became fed up with the franchise after LTK. The Brozza era was a write-off, a wash-out. I hated every moment of it. Then we get the best film of the entire franchise in CR. A superb movie. Almost faultless. EON struck gold with that movie. Global critical acclaim and huge BO figures - bigger than anything achieved during Brozza's era.



In summary, QoS has failed to capitalise on the success of CR. The goodwill and big opening weekends spoke volumes about how much people enjoyed Craig's first outing as Bond, and expected more of the same with QoS. Unfortunately, it could be argued that they didn't get what they hoped for, if one takes notice of the negative reviews and big drop offs at the BO.

So, it is back to the drawing board for EON, but their one prized asset at the moment is Craig. Ditch Forster, ditch the writers, and ditch Bradley. They cocked up QoS, along with the help of Babs and Co. The critics have had the knives out too with this second film, yet mostly even the negative reviews still managed to praise Craig in the process.

Craig is here for Bond 23. But how the film will be is a different matter entirely. I don't entirely trust EON's direction anymore. It seems that everytime they try to steer clear of the source material and come up with something original, they mess it up. This was clear under Brozza's reign, and is becoming clear again with Craig's 2nd outing. CR could just be a one-off fluke - never to be repeated. And that was because the film relied heavily on Fleming's novel.

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Posted 02 January 2009 - 09:47 AM

To say this film comes across rushed is an understatement.

Personally, I think it feels overlong, rather than rushed.

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Posted 02 January 2009 - 09:53 AM

To say this film comes across rushed is an understatement.

Personally, I think it feels overlong, rather than rushed.

Eh? Most of your earlier comments was to do with adding more to the film (dialogue, etc.) not removing bits from the film because it was too overlong.

Now I'm confused.... :(

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Posted 02 January 2009 - 10:55 AM

[quote name='Jet Set Willy' date='2 January 2009 - 09:25' post='979675']
the film comes across a bit like an unfinished piece of work, a badly edited film. Something that has been chopped to pieces on TV just to fit in the schedule. To say this film comes across rushed is an understatement. It makes Rocky 4 look like a long, drawn out epic.

unfortunately, I have to agree with you

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Posted 02 January 2009 - 06:45 PM

1. The film needed waaaay more pacing. We are thrown straight into the action at the beginning with no build-up, no tension. Totally unnecessary. This pretty much was the fault with the entire film. It needed a good additional 20 minutes, at least, just to pad the film out a tad, let the audience catch their breath, relax, enjoy some of the scenery, come down a bit before the next action sequence. This didn't translate from a Fleming novel at all. Fleming's books were about the smaller things in life. Bond taking a cold shower, Bond relaxing, Bond enjoying a nice meal. Couldn't we have had just one or two moments like that, instead of CRASH, BANG, WALLOP! As it is, the film comes across a bit like an unfinished piece of work, a badly edited film. Something that has been chopped to pieces on TV just to fit in the schedule. To say this film comes across rushed is an understatement. It makes Rocky 4 look like a long, drawn out epic.

That pretty much sums up my feelings as well. And this exhaustive, throw-it-in-your-face, style of direction/editing becomes even worse when you combine it with a stiff, humourless, Bond and overall dull writing. It's a strange mix.




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