Moonraker - where did all the Perfect People go?
#1
Posted 07 November 2008 - 10:11 PM
So, your thoughts on what happened to the perfect specimens? Were they killed by the Americans? Did they hitch a ride back home? Were they actually "evil" themselves for going along with Drax's plot, or were they innocent pawns caught up in a madman's scheme? Obviously this kind of deep moral issue is what keeps Moonraker so compelling after all these years
#2
Posted 07 November 2008 - 10:33 PM
#3
Posted 07 November 2008 - 10:34 PM
Good question, which deserves a better answer.
#4
Posted 08 November 2008 - 04:17 AM
#5
Posted 08 November 2008 - 04:26 AM
Let's hope they attempted re-entry.
(BTW, LOL at the idea of watching Moonraker "as part of [your] pre-QOS training regimen," dinovelvet Are we gonna get a thread of how similar both films are? South American settings, French-acted, hidden-in-plain sight villains, Bond attending a genteel social function hosted by same, female secret agent under cover in the villain's organization, secret space related base, skydiving sequences, latin-based female agent who is an attractive, easy floosy whom Bond seduces in a swanky hotel room, actions sequences on land, water and air - er, waidaminute, this is gathering steam... )
#6
Posted 08 November 2008 - 07:39 AM
#7
Posted 08 November 2008 - 08:12 AM
#8
Posted 08 November 2008 - 12:57 PM
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#9
Posted 08 November 2008 - 04:57 PM
#10
Posted 09 November 2008 - 06:43 AM
I wonder what Drax's definition of perfection was? We can assume they had above average levels of athleticism and intelligence. They'll also have needed a rare skillset that equipped them to operate/maintain a space station, fly spaceships and jump-start civilisation on an Earth that's been kicked back to Year Zero. These don't sound the type of folks who just disappear without being noticed (wasn't there at least one countess and a British aristocrat in the group?) or slip back easily into their old lives. Sounds to me these were true believers who'd try and keep the dream alive in some way. Maybe they crept back to Drax's Amazonian bolthole and tried to start a model society there? Its these kinds of loose ends that gave birth to fan fiction.
It appears that Drax's idea of perfection was just in physical appearance; the people on Bond's shuttle basically look like models. I assumed that a lot of the people on the space station weren't necessarily part of this Master Race, but were there to do some of the menial tasks and help get this new society started. A lot of the astronauts we can see have some "flaws", e.g. balding, paunchy etc. My theory is that Drax brought them aboard to help start the Master Race, but they would not be allowed to reproduce and thus "pollute" his new superior society. Drax does say that anyone not up to the high physical standards would be exterminated, so I'm not sure where that leaves the regular looking people on the space station. The people dressed in white don't look like they do much thinking or heavy lifting, so there'd have to be others to lay the groundwork.
And who'd be cleaning up several billion bodies lying around on Earth? I guess animals would take care of some of them, but what about apartment blocks and skyscrapers full of dead people? I'd like to hear Drax's explanation for this
#11
Posted 09 November 2008 - 08:27 PM
It appears that Drax's idea of perfection was just in physical appearance; the people on Bond's shuttle basically look like models...
And who'd be cleaning up several billion bodies lying around on Earth? I guess animals would take care of some of them, but what about apartment blocks and skyscrapers full of dead people? I'd like to hear Drax's explanation for this
I hadn’t considered that Drax might be reseeding the planet with useless Eloi rather than big brained superhumans. It’s the Golgafrinchans all over again.
I’ve been reading Alan Weismans ‘The World Without Us’ and it has some sobering predictions about natures capacity to clean up after humans. The book reckons that corrosion resulting from Manhattan’s rising water table and burst sewers will cause steel support columns to buckle in less than twenty years. Coupled with high North Easterly winds, that should be enough to take care of the skyscrapers. If Drax’s beautiful people had been able to wait it out on the space station, then begin repopulating in the more remote parts of the planet, the cities could actually be quite fertile when they return(There’s plenty of usable soil under those roads and pavements).
#12
Posted 17 November 2008 - 02:50 PM
#13
Posted 20 November 2008 - 12:56 PM
Maybe the less attractive staff were hand picked by Drax for their abilities and intelligence?
Anyway, they probably all got blown up in the big finale...or, most likely, what 00Twelve said!
#14
Posted 20 November 2008 - 01:08 PM
#15
Posted 20 November 2008 - 07:48 PM
Maybe the Space Marines smuggled home some of the females?
Anyway, at least Drax had enough sense to bring women, unlike Stromberg who apparently thought you could repopulate the Earth with an all-male workforce.
#16
Posted 20 November 2008 - 07:55 PM
#17
Posted 20 November 2008 - 08:04 PM
Actually, what we don’t learn from the TSWLM script is that, in addition to webbed hands, Stromberg was also born with a uterus and ovaries. HE was intending to birth the new race! It’s a better plan than Drax’s in fact, since it would guarantee that the mastermind's own genes (the best genes ever) would be passed on to the future generations.Anyway, at least Drax had enough sense to bring women, unlike Stromberg who apparently thought you could repopulate the Earth with an all-male workforce.
A very well-laid plan, indeed.
So to speak.
#18
Posted 21 November 2008 - 06:10 AM
#19
Posted 13 January 2009 - 02:32 AM
If you have the Topps Moonraker card set there is actually a picture of Bond and Holly discovering the where abouts of the perfect people. I can't recall what the card # it is. It's a cut scene not in the film and since the DVD hasn't had any deleted scenes as extras....
In addition to the Topps card set, a pic of the scene can be seen here:
http://www.shatterha...dInterview.html
#20
Posted 13 January 2009 - 03:49 AM
Like most everyone else, I figure they blowed up real good.
#21
Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:48 AM
You're right, in the novelization they immediately went about having sex. And I believe they died doing that too--perhaps in the wing that broke free from the space station.In the novelization, I think they make for the boudoir pretty much immediately. I seem to remember Bond peeking in a couple "in the act." So probably they were all in mid-orgy when all hell broke loose, and perished in flagrante delicto, as it were.
#22
Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:54 AM
#23
Posted 13 January 2009 - 10:27 AM
#24
Posted 13 January 2009 - 06:29 PM
Actually, what we don’t learn from the TSWLM script is that, in addition to webbed hands, Stromberg was also born with a uterus and ovaries. HE was intending to birth the new race! It’s a better plan than Drax’s in fact, since it would guarantee that the mastermind's own genes (the best genes ever) would be passed on to the future generations.Anyway, at least Drax had enough sense to bring women, unlike Stromberg who apparently thought you could repopulate the Earth with an all-male workforce.
A very well-laid plan, indeed.
So to speak.
That's the most disturbing thing I've ever read. I don't think I'll ever look at Stromburg the same way again
#25
Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:16 PM
Anyway, at least Drax had enough sense to bring women, unlike Stromberg who apparently thought you could repopulate the Earth with an all-male workforce.
What about Naomi, who he later replaced with Anya?
#26
Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:31 PM
I always thought Naomi had a rather masculine air about her. There's a definite hint of a 'tache on that lip.Anyway, at least Drax had enough sense to bring women, unlike Stromberg who apparently thought you could repopulate the Earth with an all-male workforce.
What about Naomi, who he later replaced with Anya?
#27
Posted 14 January 2009 - 12:53 PM
They were a callous bunch weren't they, prepared as they were to watch Bond get squeezed to death by a poisonous snake without so much as changing their facial expressions.
#28
Posted 14 January 2009 - 04:19 PM
#29
Posted 14 January 2009 - 05:12 PM
I prefer to presume the 'perfect people' died in the explosions rather than hitched a lift in the back of a military craft (Or Bond's).
They were a callous bunch weren't they, prepared as they were to watch Bond get squeezed to death by a poisonous snake without so much as changing their facial expressions.
And, they were willing to participate in the extermination of the earth's population at that time. They deserved to die without mention.
#30
Posted 14 January 2009 - 08:18 PM