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[Mister E]

I think the head may be a series of cells. No one person is the head of Quantum. This also leads me to believe Greene may be Bond's new "Blofeld". They may have one or more two clashes and it'll probably end up being just the two of them like in Fleming's YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE novel.

Edited by Mister E, 10 September 2008 - 05:01 PM.

[ImTheMoneypenny]

I wouldn't mind it if your theory holds. In a different post, when I mentioned Greene's eyes as big pools of black, I was reminded of Blofeld. If I'm not mistaken, it's been a while sorry, it reminded me of Blofeld's eyes from OHMSS (novel) when he wore the lenses.

[Mister E]

I wouldn't mind it if your theory holds. In a different post, when I mentioned Greene's eyes as big pools of black, I was reminded of Blofeld. If I'm not mistaken, it's been a while sorry, it reminded me of Blofeld's eyes from OHMSS (novel) when he wore the lenses.

Yes he wore green contact lenses.

[tdalton]

I really like this theory.

Another potential idea would be to have someone acting as the head of the organization, and every time that the current leader of the organization becomes unable to continue in that role, another member rises to the top of the organization.

[Mister E]

I really like this theory.

Another potential idea would be to have someone acting as the head of the organization, and every time that the current leader of the organization becomes unable to continue in that role, another member rises to the top of the organization.

That is another good idea. A great potential to come up with new characters.

[doubler83]

Like the Mafia.

Complete with Mafia hugs, big pats on the back.

[Jim]

Probably a chicken.

I would prefer it if ultimately it is revealed that there is no such organisation, it's a complete ruse, a distracting fiction to cover up an even bigger individual scheme, and they've all been chasing a spectre.

As t'were

[tdalton]

I really like this theory.

Another potential idea would be to have someone acting as the head of the organization, and every time that the current leader of the organization becomes unable to continue in that role, another member rises to the top of the organization.

That is another good idea. A great potential to come up with new characters.

The more I think about it, your idea sounds even better (although I thought it was a great idea to begin with). I can see Bond, at the end of QOS, thinking that he may have found out where to find the leader of the organization, only to find that there is no such person, that Quantum is too massive an organization for any one person to run.

[double o ego]

Nah, I'm more in favour of having someone acting as head honcho but discression is a must.

[kyleargyle]

I don't think Greene will be revealed to be the head of the organisation. Probably just a pawn like so many others.

[Mister E]

only to find that there is no such person, that Quantum is too massive an organization for any one person to run.

Going by the dialogue from M and how shocked she was, that has to be true.

I don't think Greene will be revealed to be the head of the organisation. Probably just a pawn like so many others.

No, I am saying Quantum operates by a series of cells, there is no leader but Greene will become Bond's rival in the vein of Blofeld.

[kyleargyle]

Also, wasn't there a spoiler earlier that revealed Greene's ultimate fate at the end of the movie?

(I believe it may have involved the business end of an axe.)

[Mister E]

Also, wasn't there a spoiler earlier that revealed Greene's ultimate fate at the end of the movie?

(I believe it may have involved the business end of an axe.)

No, that is false. Greene lives at the end of the movie.

[kyleargyle]

Oh, wow. I am out of the loop!

[JackWade]

The head is Al Pacino. When Bond finds him, Pacino says this.

Edited by JackWade, 10 September 2008 - 05:54 PM.

[doubler83]

The head is Al Pacino. When Bond finds him, Pacino says this.

Great film!

[Mister E]

The head is Al Pacino. When Bond finds him, Pacino says this.

LOL !

[chriso]

Greene isn't the head of the organistion. Maybe we will see him and the head of Quantum in Bond 23.

But what happens if Felix Leiter is the head of Quantum?!

[Mister E]

Greene isn't the head of the organistion. Maybe we will see him and the head of Quantum in Bond 23.

Again, I am not saying Greene is the head of the originization.

[chriso]

Greene isn't the head of the organistion. Maybe we will see him and the head of Quantum in Bond 23.

Again, I am not saying Greene is the head of the originization.

I meant that the can't be the head behind all this because it would be too easy for Bond. Maybe he is the head of one little organisation and we'll get to see some other heads of side-organisations after all that the real head of Quantum would appear?

But who knews! Let's wait until QOS is in cinema.

[bond 16.05.72]

I'm not saying it'd going to definetely happen but the idea M is part of Quantum isn't something I would put completely out of mind for this era of Bond.

If done right it could be fantastic and lead to new M or Bond is with her when she is assasinated and his driven by the desire to find his Boss's killers to find out near the end his motivation was needless as M was actually assasinated by Quantum due to going rogue from being a Quantum member.

I'm not saying she'd be the big honcho but a top ranking member who decides to get ideas above her station, Quantum having fears of being revealed due to her actions decide to kill her but Bond only finds this out near the end as the twist.

and no that's not been done in a Bourne film.

[danslittlefinger]

I agree with most here, Greene is not the head...I think that will be revealed later in another film...indeed an ongoing "org" like SPECTRE.

Fingers in every pie, slippery like an eel and a fat cat lurking in the alleyways weaving his tentacles.

(Shouldn't be too hard to spot then)...

[Mister E]

I meant that the can't be the head behind all this because it would be too easy for Bond.

I am saying Quantum is an assembly of smaller originizations with no real leader, no real head.

I'm not saying it'd going to definetely happen but the idea M is part of Quantum isn't something I would put completely out of mind for this era of Bond.

If done right it could be fantastic and lead to new M or Bond is with her when she is assasinated and his driven by the desire to find his Boss's killers to find out near the end his motivation was needless as M was actually assasinated by Quantum due to going rogue from being a Quantum member.

I'm not saying she'd be the big honcho but a top ranking member who decides to get ideas above her station, Quantum having fears of being revealed due to her actions decide to kill her but Bond only finds this out near the end as the twist.

and no that's not been done in a Bourne film.

I think M should be a unknowing pawn. M is part of it and she dosen't even know it. She then resigns in digust.

Edited by Mister E, 10 September 2008 - 07:44 PM.

[Mr_Wint]

Greene is too small and young to fill this role.

[bond 16.05.72]

I meant that the can't be the head behind all this because it would be too easy for Bond.

I am saying Quantum is an assembly of smaller originizations with no real leader, no real head.

I'm not saying it'd going to definetely happen but the idea M is part of Quantum isn't something I would put completely out of mind for this era of Bond.

If done right it could be fantastic and lead to new M or Bond is with her when she is assasinated and his driven by the desire to find his Boss's killers to find out near the end his motivation was needless as M was actually assasinated by Quantum due to going rogue from being a Quantum member.

I'm not saying she'd be the big honcho but a top ranking member who decides to get ideas above her station, Quantum having fears of being revealed due to her actions decide to kill her but Bond only finds this out near the end as the twist.

and no that's not been done in a Bourne film.

I think M should be a unknowing pawn. M is part of it and she dosen't even know it. She then resigns in digust.

Yeah I like that as well, I'm no storyteller and some people have come up with much better ideas than I but I get the idea EON wouldn't be completely against the idea of Dench's M being a villain, as long as it wasn't done in a cliched fashion.

Although the unknowing pawn thng could work a similar way, M finds out she's been used and then is killed, Bond goes out to expose the killers to find Quantum was behind it and M was an unknowing pawn, something the audience has a hint of but Bond finds towards the end, as M doesn't live long enough to tell Bond he just know's she's resigned but doesn't find out why till near the end.

I'm sure someone with more talent than me could make it work and it leave it open for a new M, a diffrent character to Dench's and back to a man, an actor of real gravitas though.

I always though in his House of Cards days Ian Richardson would have given Bernard Lee a run for his money.

Though Richardson wouldn't work with Brozzer it would have to be Dalton or Craig but what an M he could have been.

[Mister E]

I really don't want M to be killed. I rather have one last powerful scene with M and Bond, her filled with emotion how she was used and we see her break down in tears. A little something that would linger on in the series, how M could possibly live with herself even though her aide of Quantum wasn't her fault.

Edited by Mister E, 10 September 2008 - 08:22 PM.

[Mr_Wint]

I meant that the can't be the head behind all this because it would be too easy for Bond.

I am saying Quantum is an assembly of smaller originizations with no real leader, no real head.

I'm not saying it'd going to definetely happen but the idea M is part of Quantum isn't something I would put completely out of mind for this era of Bond.

If done right it could be fantastic and lead to new M or Bond is with her when she is assasinated and his driven by the desire to find his Boss's killers to find out near the end his motivation was needless as M was actually assasinated by Quantum due to going rogue from being a Quantum member.

I'm not saying she'd be the big honcho but a top ranking member who decides to get ideas above her station, Quantum having fears of being revealed due to her actions decide to kill her but Bond only finds this out near the end as the twist.

and no that's not been done in a Bourne film.

I think M should be a unknowing pawn. M is part of it and she dosen't even know it. She then resigns in digust.

Yeah I like that as well, I'm no storyteller and some people have come up with much better ideas than I but I get the idea EON wouldn't be completely against the idea of Dench's M being a villain, as long as it wasn't done in a cliched fashion.

Although the unknowing pawn thng could work a similar way, M finds out she's been used and then is killed, Bond goes out to expose the killers to find Quantum was behind it and M was an unknowing pawn, something the audience has a hint of but Bond finds towards the end, as M doesn't live long enough to tell Bond he just know's she's resigned but doesn't find out why till near the end.

I'm sure someone with more talent than me could make it work and it leave it open for a new M, a diffrent character to Dench's and back to a man, an actor of real gravitas though.

I always though in his House of Cards days Ian Richardson would have given Bernard Lee a run for his money.

Though Richardson wouldn't work with Brozzer it would have to be Dalton or Craig but what an M he could have been.

It would be better if she was killed by the new M... during the titles

[Captain Tightpants]

A while ago I was toying with a concept for a fan fiction that had some backstory about Quantum in it, and his is what I had come up with:

Quantum started early in the twentieth century as the Phoebus cartel, fixing the price of lightglobes, and making an absolute killing from it. During the stock market crash of 1929, they were by good fortune some of the few who actually made a profit. They did not manipulate the economy, which would later become a favoured tactic, but rather survived by pure chance. The cartel formally disbanded during the Great Depression, but resurrected themsevles under a new name seeral years later. By this time, their influence had extended across the Atlantic Ocean and into Europe, and it was implied that they were a part of installing Adolf Hitler into power. During World War II, the organisation was a part of the military-industrial complex, but were actually supplying both sides of the war.

They disbanded again once the war was over, and re-formed themselves to become instrumental in clearing up Europe after the bombs had stopped falling. They made even more money clearing up the destruction they had sown, and returned to supplying weapons during the arms race. Many events of the Cold War, such as the Cambridge Five, were simply ploys by the organisation, selling secrets between the Americans and the Soviets to keep the arms race even and the deamnd for weapons high. They managed to draw the Cold War out for as long as possible, but eventually the Soviet economy came to a grinding halt and the Berlin Wall fell. Proxy wars in Vietnam and Korea had been their trademark, but the group that would come to be known as Quantum learned quickly. They had no part in the 1972 Munich Massacre or many of the early terrorist groups, but they saw the potential in it and in the 1990s they were responsible for many of the conflicts that ravaged Africa. Likewise, they engineered the Asian Economic Crisis, making billions of dollars.

With the turn of the millenium, the group disbanded for the fifth time in ther history, and re-forged themslves as Quantum. As M described in Casino Royale, they were the ones repsonible for the September Eleven attacks, their most public display of their workings. They spent time funding terror groups and then arming the Americans, trying to create a new Cold War scenario out of the War on Terror, and when that war ended, they would win the re-building contracts like the ones in Iraq.

This is where the caonocity ends and my story begins: the Senior Management of Quantum are worried that with the world becoming smaller, it will be easier for them to be found, and so they adoptd a new tactic. They sought to not only carve their own private fiefdom out of an existing nation, but to become and economic power in their own right. To this end, Dominic Greene is tasked with overthrowing the Bolivian government and seizing control of the water supply. But Bolivia is just the beginning ...

Blessed with the world's largest remaining reserves of crude oil, a large section of central Russia declares its independence from Moscow. And an oil-thirsty Kremlin, its resources spent on the war in Georgia (also created by Quantum to have the Russians distractd) has no choice but to acknowledge them, for the alternative is to lay siege to the "Central Siberan Republic". Quantum are responsible, seeking to control the last reserves of oil and are looking to establish themselves as being in control of the post-oil economy. Elsewhere, they become the largest suppliers of arms and armaments in the world, control private military corporations, manipulate economies so that entire nations are dependent upon them for survival, seize control of the healthcare sector by tainting pre-established medicines and establish their own companies, break into the informaton and media markets and so on, looking to replace the pillars of modern society with themselves.

However, given the load of assignments I have going on, I had to put the story on hold ...

[Simon Beavis]

Oh, wow. I am out of the loop!

Spoiler

Scuttlebutt says that Bond steals Greene's SUV and leaves Greene to die in the desert, but Greene is then rescued by a Quantum helicopter.

And Greene is not a pawn, he's probably more like middle management, but its possible that he could be in the "inner circle." He is higher on the food chain than Mr. White.

I think Quantum's power structure is more like a co-op. No "supreme commander," just a CEO.

Look's like I'm not alone in that regard.

So far, we have Mr. White and Dominic Greene, so one wonders if there might be a Mr. Black higher on the next rung of the ladder.

Edited by Simon Beavis, 11 September 2008 - 01:03 AM.

[Vauxhall]

I hadn't heard that Greene survives the movie. Very interesting indeed.