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How do you rate Sebastian Faulks' centenary novel?

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#331 Bondian

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Posted 16 July 2008 - 07:29 PM

Time for the 'Bicycle Repairman Sketch' me thinks. :tup:

Superboy: Hey, there's a bicycle broken, up the road.

Superman One: If only Bicycle Repair Man were here!

Superboy: Yes, wait, I think I know where I can find him. Look over there!

Caption: FLASH!

All Supermen: Bicycle Repair Man, but how?

Superman One: Oh look... is it a stockbroker?

Superman Two: Is it a quantity Surveyor?

Superman Three: Is it a church warden?

All Supermen: NO! It's Bicycle Repair Man!

Superman: MY! Bicycle Repair Man! Thank goodness you've come! Look!

Caption: Clink! Screw! Bend! Inflate! Alter Saddle!

Superman Two: Why, he's mending it with his own hands!

Superman One: See how he uses a spanner to tighten that nut!

Superman: Oh, Oh Bicycle Repair Man, how can I ever repay you?

Bicycle Repair Man: Oh, you don't need to guv. It's all in a days work for... Bicycle Repair Man!

All Supermen: Our Hero!

Voiceover: Yes! whenever bicycles are broken, or menaced by international communism, Bicycle Repair Man is ready!


Or here's a video for those of you who have impaired sight and hearing. :(



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#332 Mr. Blofeld

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Posted 16 July 2008 - 08:10 PM

Wasn't too funny until the end bit. :tup:

#333 Hitch

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Posted 16 July 2008 - 10:36 PM

Wasn't too funny until the end bit. :tup:


Was that a comment on this thread in general? :tup:

#334 Mr. Blofeld

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Posted 16 July 2008 - 10:46 PM

Wasn't too funny until the end bit. :(

Was that a comment on this thread in general? :tup:

No, I meant the vid. :tup:

#335 Dr. Noah

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 02:26 AM

I'd have thought that someone who enjoyed DEVIL MAY CARE would post a lot more on the virtues of the book, instead of just ripping into those of us who disliked it.


And what would the point of that be? Explain why I gave it three stars to a guy who claims it was badly written because there were too many French words?

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 04:30 AM

Why is it a decent read, Dr. Noah? What does Faulks add to the world of Bond? I could answer those questions right now, and I don't even like DMC! (But I concede that it has good points. One or two small ones.)


Faulks added nothing. I have never been more disappointed in a Bond novel (or Bond product for that matter). And the more i think about it, the worse the book gets. The plotholes, dead ends, dull and uninspired characters, the blatant plagiarism and lack of any original ideas, it's just too much. I will probably never read this "thing" again.

#337 Jim

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 05:16 AM

I'd have thought that someone who enjoyed DEVIL MAY CARE would post a lot more on the virtues of the book, instead of just ripping into those of us who disliked it.


And what would the point of that be? Explain why I gave it three stars to a guy who claims it was badly written because there were too many French words?


Well, why not? And if you think us beneath you, why respond at all? Why be here?Your observations would have more legitimacy if it was evident why they were your observations. You've been asked a perfectly reasonable series of questions in a perfectly reasonable manner. Your refusal to answer - and rude refusal - and consistent avoidance can only raise the suspicion that you haven't read it, or perhaps not read it in full, and - in your unacceptable manner - you are only here for the automatic gainsaying of others' views. In short, only here for the fight, whatever the subject. I'm sure people want to see a positive review, they're interested in it, but you don't seem capable of giving it. Until you do, your remarks count for nothing, and you might as well not participate. Or be prevented from it. Which is an immediately appealing idea.

#338 Dr. Noah

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 05:43 AM

Well, why not? And if you think us beneath you, why respond at all? Why be here?


Good point.

#339 Jim

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 06:04 AM

Well, why not? And if you think us beneath you, why respond at all? Why be here?


Good point.


A point easily resolved.

You had plenty of opportunity.

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 08:20 AM

Or here's a video for those of you who have impaired sight and hearing. :)



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ROTFLMHO! Haven't seen that one for 15?/20? years. Thanks a lot for reminding me, Bondian. Haven't laughed that hard for quite some time. :tup: :(

And now for something completely different...

#341 Bondian

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 04:39 PM

ROTFLMHO! Haven't seen that one for 15?/20? years. Thanks a lot for reminding me, Bondian. Haven't laughed that hard for quite some time. :tup: :tup:

And now for something completely different...

Glad you enjoyed it, my friend. :)

I'll post some more for ya over on the official Youtube thread. :(

#342 marktmurphy

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Posted 16 August 2008 - 10:50 PM

Finally got round to reading this. It's absolutely fine: very slight and pretty much instantly forgettable- it doesn't rock you like Fleming but neither will it appall you like Benson.
No-one captures the spirit and feel of a Fleming quite like Higson, surprisingly.

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 05:06 PM

After reading some reviews on here, I was hesitant to start reading Devil May Care, worried that it was some kind of horrible parody. But for the most part, I thought it was a good read. It does peter out in the last third and the inclusion of Mathis and Leiter didn't amount to much, but I thought Sebastian Faulks did a decent job copying Fleming's style. I really liked the setting and the Persian contact character.

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 05:18 PM

I think expectations were WAY to high and the negative reactions WAY too strong. I think things will settle down to exactly what these last two posts reflect -- DMC is just fine. Not the best. Not the worst. A perfectly acceptable continuation novel. (But I do think it will gain in popularity given even more time.)

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 08:27 PM

Interesting, zen. I think things will go the other way. I think that Bond fans who were very disappointed in the book will only become more entrenched in that view, and that those who liked or moderately liked it will find that over time, with the excitement of the launch faded, that its flaws become increasingly apparent. Just as a for instance, it only occurred to me a while after reading it that the opening chapter makes very little sense - we never discover why that guy is killed by Chagrin, who he told what about the drugs that meant he had to be silenced, etc. Lots of plot holes occurred to me weeks later. I realise Bond novels aren't usually read for plot! But I don't think this book is ever going to have a good reputation among Bond fans. I think in some ways it will become a whipping boy in a similar way that Die Another Day did - it will be something people want to rant about. That's my take, anyway.

#346 Nicolas Suszczyk

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 08:51 PM

I've finished it today and I've loved it. Faulks is a mixture between Besnon and Fleming, so I loved it.

And Bond
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was laughable and strange, but it's a nice twist.

Cons: I was disappointed when I've learnt that
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, that was a very good background for the villian.

#347 marktmurphy

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 09:20 PM

I don't think it will become an object of hate or increasing derision, I think it's more likely to simply be forgotten. It's not bad enough or numerous in number to be remembered like Benson and it's not good or surprising enough to be remembered like Higson or Amis. If he'd tried something at least different, which Gardner is, it would seem vaguely worthwhile; but that's not the job he was hired for, so I can't blame him for that.
Devil May Care is, for me, destined to be the forgotten Bond novel which that famous chap did. Shame- it had a cracking title.

It's kind of funny that he reacts against the gadgets when it seems he brings onboard the ultimate gadget:
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#348 Loomis

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 09:41 PM

I've realised that DEVIL MAY CARE is the literary equivalent of LIVE AND LET DIE. That's Eon's LIVE AND LET DIE, not Fleming's.

Let me explain: both DMC and LALD feature a Bond who's no longer a spring chicken and who also seems to have become a parody of himself. At the same time, all the Fleming boxes are ticked (except for Q, unless Q does appear in DMC and I've simply forgotten about him), and it's all set within vaguely the same timeline as Fleming. On the surface, then, it chimes nicely with the Fleming adventures.

Both DMC and LALD have gritty, even disturbing, plot elements that touch on the issues of hard drugs and social unrest. But both DMC and LALD are also very uneven from a tonal POV, veering from dark, brutal episodes to tongue-in-cheekness and back again. Overall, though, both DMC and LALD leave the reader/viewer with the impression of a work that's overwhelmingly lighthearted, and often far too much so, undercutting the grit and tension. Both DMC and LALD have gaps in logic and plots that meander.

Both DMC and LALD seem "flat" - DMC seems flat because, as has been mentioned a lot, it reads like a barely polished first draft (or a novelization). LALD seems flat because it literally was shot that way, or at least it wasn't filmed in Panavision - combined with a distinctly bargain basement look, it's a departure from the sumptuous widescreen epics of post-GOLDFINGER Bondage.

In both DMC and LALD, the most interesting and developed character is arguably the villain. The ball is somewhat dropped when it comes to the leading lady, and Bond himself has curiously little to do - mostly, he seems to just react to events.

Both DMC and LALD are flawed, flimsy offerings that nonetheless must count (for what it's worth) as among the more concentrated collections of Fleming-flavoured Bondage since Fleming's death (by this I mean that both DMC and LALD contain rather more "Fleming" than, say, HIGH TIME TO KILL or THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH).

Neither DMC nor LALD is an utter disaster, because A. both have their moments of fun, and B. the world of Bond has given us much, much worse. In the end, though, they're both merely occasionally entertaining mediocrities that serve mostly to remind us of how good classic Fleming and classic Eon are. They're middling potboilers, but as such certainly have their attractions for committed Bond fans such as ourselves.

As zencat puts it, DMC is just fine. Not the best. Not the worst. A perfectly acceptable continuation novel. Still, and while I take his point about hopes being way too high (living's in the way we die :( ), I must confess that I did think DMC had a chance of blowing Eon's CASINO ROYALE out of the water in terms of quality. But that's what can happen in the minds of fans when IFP goes and hires a writer of the calibre of Sebastian Faulks.

Will DMC gain in popularity? Who knows? I guess if it turns out to be the final adult Bond novel, or at least the last for some years, its reputation may rise, albeit A. that that would probably only be for rose-coloured-spectacles reasons of false nostalgia, and B. such a thing didn't happen to THE MAN WITH THE RED TATTOO.

But then again DMC has done what the other continuation novels (with the arguable exception of the Higsons, which I don't really feel qualified to discuss, having read only SILVERFIN) didn't, namely broken out of the bubble of Bond fandom and made and impact on the wider world. And, like Amis', Faulks' name will live forever, and for that reason alone DMC will always be remembered and be considered a major footnote in 007 history (unlike, say, THE MAN FROM BARBAROSSA, which is something that I imagine even many Bond fans haven't heard of).

Doesn't make DMC a good book, though, of course.

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 09:53 PM

It's absolutely fine: very slight and pretty much instantly forgettable- it doesn't rock you like Fleming but neither will it appall you like Benson.


Thats the best possible description of it.

I don't imagine it'll be forgotten. But nor do I imagine that 10-20 years down the line there'll be a major reassessment of DMC that places it amongst the clssics of the spy thriller genre.

"Hmmm, s'orright I suppose" seems to be what most people have to say about it and I don't think that'll change.

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 09:59 PM

I've vaguely heard that we're in the middle of something called Olympiads, so let's say that: Sebastian Faulks writing DMC is pretty much like Michael Phelps winning "only" one bronze medal during the next Olympiads. It's not awful, but it's not what people expect from him!

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 10:03 PM

Excellent overall review Loomis. I like your DMC = LALD theory.

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 10:18 PM

Will DMC gain in popularity? Who knows? I guess if it turns out to be the final adult Bond novel, or at least the last for some years, its reputation may rise, albeit A. that that would probably only be for rose-coloured-spectacles reasons of false nostalgia, and B. such a thing didn't happen to THE MAN WITH THE RED TATTOO.


True, but then that really was :(. :)

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 10:23 PM

Excellent overall review Loomis. I like your DMC = LALD theory.

Change LALD to DAF, and I think you've got it spot-on. :):(

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 11:02 PM

I think expectations were WAY to high and the negative reactions WAY too strong. I think things will settle down to exactly what these last two posts reflect -- DMC is just fine. Not the best. Not the worst. A perfectly acceptable continuation novel. (But I do think it will gain in popularity given even more time.)

I think this just about sums you up on this site. Come on Zencat show some balls. Just in the middle shows blandness, shows mediocrity and perfectly sums up DMC and you.

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Posted 18 August 2008 - 08:24 AM

To be frank, I think Faulks failed in ways even greater than Benson.

If all Faulks had to do was to immitate Fleming with copious copycat and element lifting mannerisms, then even this was erratically, lazily and poorly handled.

Benson did at least try to further and forward the character in his own way with far fewer references than Faulks. And the few references that Benson included were, for my part, considered redundant.

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Posted 18 August 2008 - 08:43 AM

I think expectations were WAY to high and the negative reactions WAY too strong. I think things will settle down to exactly what these last two posts reflect -- DMC is just fine. Not the best. Not the worst. A perfectly acceptable continuation novel. (But I do think it will gain in popularity given even more time.)

For the record, in my review earlier in this thread (page 3), I gave Devil May Care a 3 out of 5 and said it wasn't as bad as many had said. Now two months later, having had time to digest it, here's my feelings:

I agree that expectations were WAY too high (fortunately mine weren't since I'd never heard of Sebastian Faulks), however, the more I reflect on it, the more I feel that that Devil May Care deserves most of its detractions. I'm afraid I can't help thinking that the book's negatives outweigh its positives. Faulks may be a great writer, but that did not fully come through in this case. And while I can understand that thriller writing isn't his specialty, I would think he would have had a better result than he wound up with and not made the type of errors he did. As others have mentioned, it seemed like he didn't really care about the job and for such a special occasion of a celebratory centenary novel, it's irritating and upsetting for the Bond fan to sense that while they're reading his work. Personally, I rank DMC near the bottom of the series. Not at the bottom, but in the bottom 10 novels. I'd much rather read Raymond Benson's efforts and most of John Gardner's. As a result, I don't see myself looking back more fondly on DMC over time. I won't hate it by any means, but I'll never love it either.

As for DMC's future improved popularity, zencat, I don't think it will very much. It may improve slightly, but I think it will more likely be doomed to mediocrity hell.

#357 marktmurphy

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Posted 18 August 2008 - 08:55 AM

To be frank, I think Faulks failed in ways even greater than Benson.

If all Faulks had to do was to immitate Fleming with copious copycat and element lifting mannerisms, then even this was erratically, lazily and poorly handled.

Benson did at least try to further and forward the character in his own way with far fewer references than Faulks. And the few references that Benson included were, for my part, considered redundant.


Yeah, poor though Benson was, he did try to combine the Fleming Bond with the feel of the movies, which makes a lot of sense in a time in which most people know Bond from the movies. His stuff isn't just an attempt to replicate Fleming, which makes it vaguely worthwhile.


I think this just about sums you up on this site. Come on Zencat show some balls. Just in the middle shows blandness, shows mediocrity and perfectly sums up DMC and you.



No need for any of that.

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Posted 18 August 2008 - 11:36 AM

Perhaps, when judging DMC, one has to take into account for what task exactly Faulks was hired originally. IFP asked him to do a literary tribute to the Centenary in the form of a one-off adult Bond novel. Most of us (including me) immediately assumed this to be a continuation in the traditional sense. But this, obviously, is not necessarily what IFP, or Faulks for that matter, had in mind.

The ‘Best-Of-Bond-Potpourri’-moniker that sometimes is mentioned when DMC is discussed, perhaps really is exactly what DMC was meant to be. A compilation of sometimes iconic, sometimes generic traditional Bond scenes, featuring firm handshakes, custom-made cigarettes, brand names in abundance (although not from the chosen decade, but suspiciously modern ones), torture, violence, mild racism, mild sex and whatever else one associates with Bond. A collage of all things Bond that just so happens to try and tell a Bond story. Not really a novel itself, but Faulks’ six weeks of reflection and working, basically, on doing the first and only Ian-Fleming-How-To-Write-A-Thriller-Kata of Bond-style writers Karate.

The intention of this exercise was, all financial thoughts apart, mainly to revive interest in Bond and draw attention to Fleming’s original work as the ludicrous amount of references to Fleming‘s novels shows. But this task didn’t actually call for a ‘serious’ novel and DMC is perhaps enjoyed best if readers drop all expectations on seriousness and originality. Perhaps Faulks would have been more at home with a more literate attempt on a tribute. Perhaps a book where an ageless Bond and an ageless Fleming reminisce on the past and the present, accusing each other for spoiling their lives? Or a tribute in the ’Bach And I’ vein by Maarten’t Haart? Or an ’Authorised Biography Part II’? Could all have worked, but IFP decided on DMC’s form, on a renowned pastiche writer to do this mixture of pastiche, fanfic, novelisation, parody and collage. I consider it IFP’s Feldman-Casino-Royale and with that premise it’s actually possible for me to see it as a huge joke instead of a huge let-down.

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Posted 18 August 2008 - 11:47 AM

That's what we got, Trident (which brands do you mean, by the way?), but I don't think it was entirely the intention. Somewhat the intention, yes, because the one thing you missed out was the 'as Ian Fleming' byline, which points to your theory. But in IFP's press release, Faulks went out of the way to refute the idea that he was writing a pastiche:

'I tried to isolate the essential and the most enjoyable aspects of [Fleming's] books. Then I took that pattern and added characters and a story of my own with as much speed and as many twists as I thought the reader could bear.

I developed a prose that is about 80 per cent Fleming. I didn't go the final distance for fear of straying into pastiche, but I strictly observed his rules of chapter and sentence construction.

My novel is meant to stand in the line of Fleming's own books, where the story is everything.'

The italics are mine, obviously.

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Posted 18 August 2008 - 12:22 PM

Will DMC gain in popularity? Who knows? I guess if it turns out to be the final adult Bond novel, or at least the last for some years, its reputation may rise, albeit A. that that would probably only be for rose-coloured-spectacles reasons of false nostalgia, and B. such a thing didn't happen to THE MAN WITH THE RED TATTOO.


True, but then that really was :(. :)


I disagree. I remember really enjoying THE MAN WITH THE RED TATTOO, particularly Benson's handling of Japan as a background (compare and contrast the travelogue atmosphere and "good use of locations" of DMC and TMWTRT - you'd be forgiven for thinking that even a deskbound Faulks researching Iran on the net would come up with superior prose, scene-setting and "local colour" than Benson with his visit to Japan.... but no). I've dug up my review of TMWTRT, in which I opined that it would make a good BOND 21 - curse Eon for not listening! :)

http://debrief.comma...showtopic=10149