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#1 scaramunga

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Posted 01 September 2007 - 01:15 AM

I have really enjoyed having the new remastered soundtracks of the Bond film scores. However, I am very puzzled that several of the scores remain incomplete. I know Lukas Kendall was involved in the mastering process. He has stated before that there was time constraints on finishing The Man With The Golden Gun. Moonraker, the tapes are lost? How?
Octopussy and A View To A Kill, what happened with the rest of the score music for these? More lost tapes? I can understand how Dr. No and From Russia With Love were lost as they were made in the early 60's before Bond's popularity. However, I have a hard time believing tapes don't exist for Moonraker, Octopussy and A View To A Kill.
In addition, John Barry was not involved in the remastering project. Wouldn't John Barry have copies of all his composed film music? How is this usually done with scores and composers and ownership of the scores?

Is there extra music for The Spy Who Loved Me? Why wasn't it expanded?

Lastly, any chance that MCA will do a full version of Michael Kamen's Licence To Kill soundtrack?

thanks for posting!

#2 Qwerty

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Posted 01 September 2007 - 02:21 AM

Here's an interview with Lukas Kendall you may find of some interest: http://www.shatterha...om/Kendall.html

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Posted 01 September 2007 - 08:07 AM

Scaramunga, I believe Octopussy and AVTAK were digitally recorded. Digital tapes from those times either have deteriorated, or the data have been lost. It happened to a lot of records from the eighties to the mid-nineties. Tape is still the best way to preserve original multi tracks recordings, not digital. Digital is only good in the sense that once a CD is out, you can lose the mixtapes, (ie digital data), but always can remaster from any CD, which is what most major compagnies are doing for recent music (ie if a record was digitally recorded, they simply remaster from the original CD, changing the EQ, making it more compressed and louder, and presto, they have a new remaster to sell to the ignorant masses).

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Posted 01 September 2007 - 12:47 PM

It is a shame that the soundtracks for TMWTGG, TSWLM and MR are short.

All three had great scores and is dissapointing that niether were released completely.

When I bought the MR soundtrack I was looking forward to the music from the pre title sequnce, and was dissapointed when it wasn't on there. The music from MR's PTS is one of the highlights of the film.

I also found it frustrating that LTK was never realesed in this set alongside with TND, TWINE and DAD.

Again there was a lot of good music IMO in Licence To Kill.

The complete score for Tomorrow Never Dies is available but is quite hard to find.

There are few scores/cues that were in TWINE and could have easily have been on the soundtrack, some of the cues do appear on David Arnolds website.

Die Another Day is a soundtrack with a lot of potential. Surfs up, the music from the DMZ in the PTS, Bond going to DNA clinic and the car chase inside the icepalace and the music from the Blades scene were all fantastic peices of music and is ashame that it wasn't on the soundtrack. I do hope one day they will realese the Arnold soundtracks fully.

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Posted 01 September 2007 - 01:32 PM

I have really enjoyed having the new remastered soundtracks of the Bond film scores. However, I am very puzzled that several of the scores remain incomplete. I know Lukas Kendall was involved in the mastering process. He has stated before that there was time constraints on finishing The Man With The Golden Gun. Moonraker, the tapes are lost? How?


They are not lost, they just didn't look fo them.

Octopussy and A View To A Kill, what happened with the rest of the score music for these? More lost tapes?


The official reason is yes, but they were never meant to be expanded in the first place.

I can understand how Dr. No and From Russia With Love were lost as they were made in the early 60's before Bond's popularity. However, I have a hard time believing tapes don't exist for Moonraker, Octopussy and A View To A Kill.


Even movies from the 2000s have lost tapes. But when one doesn't look, they won't appear.

In addition, John Barry was not involved in the remastering project. Wouldn't John Barry have copies of all his composed film music? How is this usually done with scores and composers and ownership of the scores?


Nobody asked him, but he doesn't have copies of the tapes from the pre-American period films (that's before the mid-1970s).

Is there extra music for The Spy Who Loved Me? Why wasn't it expanded?


My officially publishable answer is no, there is no more music.

Lastly, any chance that MCA will do a full version of Michael Kamen's Licence To Kill soundtrack?


They will never do it.

#6 Qwerty

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Posted 01 September 2007 - 09:29 PM

The complete score for Tomorrow Never Dies is available but is quite hard to find.


I actually recall seeing that one on half.com quite often.

#7 Ernst Stavro Blofeld Jr.

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Posted 02 September 2007 - 04:50 AM

If you have the DVD, it is very possible to have the complete version of TND. Of course you'd have to deal with the actual mix, but its better than nothing.

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Posted 02 September 2007 - 02:56 PM

yea, i dont have 5.1 or anything but i think if u have it u can just play the back speakers which should just play the music and record it from there.. give it a go, not sure if it works real well, but i think someone did something similar and i managed to find a whole lot of average quality moonraker tracks (like the gondola chase etc) which was pretty cool

#9 The Cat

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Posted 02 September 2007 - 03:04 PM

yea, i dont have 5.1 or anything...



Oh come on! The DVD has an isolated score track. Believe me people, this will NOT get any easier...

#10 scaramunga

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 03:05 AM

Thanks for the posts! Very interesting stuff!

So one post said that Octopussy and A View To A Kill are gone as they were recorded digitally?

While another poster said they just didn't LOOK for the tapes for these and the other John Barry's?

Interesting. Which is correct?

Thanks for the notes about TND too. I have that one, but it doesn't get listened to unlike the John Barry scores which are listened to a great deal!

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 08:53 AM

While another poster said they just didn't LOOK for the tapes for these and the other John Barry's?


Take a wild guess...

In 2002, when they remastered the music for the expanded soundtracks, the original tapes never really left Abbey Road. Lukas Kendall and his team were sent a direct digital transfer of the tapes on hard drives. These were done from the tapes EMI found in the storage, and they never went out to look for any other tapes in any other facilities. The only exception are a two sets of tapes sent to America, which belonged to Thunderball and were shipped there in 1966, when a second album was planned - this material was later used for the 1992 reissue of the scores. Now of course if they had asked around a little bit they could have found out where the tapes are. However, stamper has a point there that it is likely that the original master tapes might be worthless by now - but that alone is not a reason for not expanding soundtracks.

#12 scaramunga

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 03:11 AM

I believe I was told that EMI's agreement for distribution of the scores ends in 2008?
Does anyone know about this?

Could they possibly revisit the scores on the Sony label now that MGM is owned by Sony?

I would think they would / could do a much more complete job finshing what was started, etc.

Was there radio promotion for any of the soundtracks when they originally were released the years the film was released?
Such as was there promotion of the Moonraker album done in 1979?

Thanks!

#13 DamnCoffee

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 03:24 PM

I have the Casino Royale Expanded Score, but not any of the others.

#14 DamnCoffee

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 01:54 PM

Another Expanded Score that is extremly difficult to find is The World is not Enough's. My bastard of a friend, downloaded it and was playing it down the phone at me, and refused to give a download link. :D.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 07:15 PM

Don't loose any sleep over it. Whatever it is, it's not what you think it is.

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 02:15 PM

Don't loose any sleep over it. Whatever it is, it's not what you think it is.



It actually was :D, I managed to find the The World is not Enough Expanded Score and the Die Another Day Expanded Score. I downloaded them last night.

#17 The Cat

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 05:05 PM

It actually was :D, I managed to find the The World is not Enough Expanded Score.


Trust me - it's not that.

#18 DamnCoffee

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 05:13 PM

I have listened to it and it is.

#19 Rafael '00_Agent' Fernandes

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 05:52 PM

It actually was :D, I managed to find the The World is not Enough Expanded Score.


Trust me - it's not that.


Tell me... It's the one with 25 tracks??

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 06:00 PM

... and with the sound effect?

#21 DamnCoffee

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 06:37 PM

It is Indeed

Link removed. No frickin' links to copyrighted material, especially no audio stuff, for Pete's sake! Matt, you really should know better. Earns you a warning. Can't help it.


And I also have the Die Another Day Expanded Score.

Edited by stromberg, 23 October 2007 - 07:00 PM.
See above


#22 Rafael '00_Agent' Fernandes

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 06:50 PM

Hum... File not found! I was asking because I have compiled 25 tracks, joining the Cd music with some Dvd Rips I made, including the title song (avoiding the SFX) and the two tracks on David Arnold's website. But the link you posted is not mine. Anyway, on the case of TWINE, I think it is impossible to rip something from the dvd without the SFX, and still have decent quality.

On DAD it is different: There is indeed a promo cd with all the tracks and alternate versions with what Arnold was intending to do with the score. The score of the film could be worse, because there are some tracks that have some horrible techno beats that is not on the movie, like the track where Graves goes down from parachute, or the car chase inside the Ice Palace (where, on the movie, these techno beats can be only heard on the end of cue, when the Aston Martin becomes invisible again)

#23 DamnCoffee

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 06:59 PM

I think the The World is not Enough one I have is actually in pretty good quality. The only SFX I can here is two gunshots and a scream in the 'Escape from Swiss Bankers Office'. Apart from that, the score is intact.

#24 Rafael '00_Agent' Fernandes

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 07:02 PM

I tried to rip this bank cue, but there's a moment that the police sirens can be heard, so I gave up. Anyway, as you said it is in pretty good quality, I am very interested in hear that! Do you have any other link to PM me??

Edited by Rafael '00_Agent' Fernandes, 23 October 2007 - 07:09 PM.


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Posted 23 December 2007 - 01:52 AM

Does anyone stay in the loop on the Bond scores and news about them?

I just recently read that Alien by Jerry Goldsmith has now been released on cd. It was a controversal score for Jerry Goldsmith, and I never expected the full score to end up on cd. However with his passing I'm curious if it made things easier to get the score released.

I hope it doesn't come to the passing of John Barry before the full scores for ALL of the John Barry scored Bond films are released...

I'd really like to have the full scores of The man with the golden Gun, Moonraker, Octopussy and A View To A Kill. I'm also interested in seeing the full score of The Spy Who Loved Me.

Thanks!

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Posted 23 December 2007 - 06:51 AM

I just recently read that Alien by Jerry Goldsmith has now been released on cd. It was a controversal score for Jerry Goldsmith, and I never expected the full score to end up on cd. However with his passing I'm curious if it made things easier to get the score released.


What the... Alien wasn't released for a number of reasons, including legal complications, the existence of an original LP, lack of good sources and likes. The composers death have nothing to do with a release. (Okay, perhaps in the case of The Vanishing...)

I'd really like to have the full scores of The man with the golden Gun, Moonraker, Octopussy and A View To A Kill. I'm also interested in seeing the full score of The Spy Who Loved Me.


I sense you have to want it harder a bit...

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Posted 23 December 2007 - 04:07 PM

I just recently read that Alien by Jerry Goldsmith has now been released on cd. It was a controversal score for Jerry Goldsmith, and I never expected the full score to end up on cd. However with his passing I'm curious if it made things easier to get the score released.


What the... Alien wasn't released for a number of reasons, including legal complications, the existence of an original LP, lack of good sources and likes. The composers death have nothing to do with a release. (Okay, perhaps in the case of The Vanishing...)

I believe this is the Alien score scaramunga is referring to. I'm not sure how much of this is really original vs re-recorded like the Nic Raine conducts the Prague Philharmonic Orchestra Bond stuff.

#28 scaramunga

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Posted 23 December 2007 - 05:25 PM

Full Alien score on cd for the first time. Check it out.

http://shopping.nets...it.A/id.5613/.f

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Posted 23 December 2007 - 08:48 PM

I just recently read that Alien by Jerry Goldsmith has now been released on cd. It was a controversal score for Jerry Goldsmith, and I never expected the full score to end up on cd. However with his passing I'm curious if it made things easier to get the score released.


What the... Alien wasn't released for a number of reasons, including legal complications, the existence of an original LP, lack of good sources and likes. The composers death have nothing to do with a release. (Okay, perhaps in the case of The Vanishing...)

I believe this is the Alien score scaramunga is referring to. I'm not sure how much of this is really original vs re-recorded like the Nic Raine conducts the Prague Philharmonic Orchestra Bond stuff.

I believe it's all ridgy-didge Jerry Goldsmith.

#30 O'Toole Galore

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Posted 24 December 2007 - 09:45 AM

The Alien soundtrack is out on CD? I didn't know that. Previously, it was available as an isolated track as Tomorrow Never Dies on the movie's 20th anniversary DvD (pre-Quadrilogy release).

Anyway, of all the Bond films, I really want to see The Spy Who Loved Me expanded...I mean come on, this is one of the best Bonds ever and the only one whose score was nominated for an Oscar and it never got a proper soundtrack release.