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[Colossus]

Yes i'm enjoying how much BrosBonds are on tv these past couple of months. I remember flipping between two channels trying to watch two at the same time, it was either TND and DAD or GE and TWINE.

[DaveBond21]

Since this has a few new fans on the site, then here is my TWINE fans thread.

[O.H.M.S.S.]

TWINE is my second favourite Brosnan Bond and I like it very much. Primarily due to the more in-depth characters, Brosnan, Marceau and Coltrane as well as the exciting action and what I believe to be Arnold's best 007 score.

[DaveBond21]

I really love the PTS. It's one of the best.

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[seawolfnyy]

um it had the best final line in the franchise....until everything or nothing topped it

[Miles Miservy]

There is good & bad in every OO7 adventure, this one not excluded. It would be unfair to say "I just LOVED this movie!" without 1st bringing to bear points of which could've been improved upon. 1st of which, I felt the PTS ran MUCH too long (I get that it was expository and relative to the plot but 15 minutes into the film without the title sequence was a bit much.). 2nd, I felt that the scenes involving Bond's new BMW Z8 were under-utilized. 3rd, although very easy on the eyes, Denise Richards was blatantly miscast. (total... catastrophic... MELTDOWN.). 4th, the death of Zukofsky wasted the potential of a significant ally ( a Russian Felix if you will.).

That being said, I feel I should point out that this was Brosnan's best effort. Like Connery & Moore, critcal acclaim has been afforded to the actors' 3rd installments (GF & TSWLM respectively). Upon realizing Electra's sinister duality, Brosnan's Bond was immediately capable of being cold & cruel. Moreover, I felt that Sophie Marceau was excellent. Very few women could have pulled off, the two very different aspects (innocent victim/ villainous antagonist) of Electra's character the way she had. Renard was a particularly enjoyayble henchman; especially so because his true role in the caper was not revealed until Electra's. I also like the tribute to Bernard Lee, with the portrait of him on the wall at MI6, Scotland; very subtle but no less poignant.

um it had the best final line in the franchise....until everything or nothing topped it

Never throught to compare films to video games. That's even more obscure than comparing them to the original novels.

[seawolfnyy]

Never throught to compare films to video games. That's even more obscure than comparing them to the original novels.

Everything or Nothing could have easily worked as a film. I think its the best entry of the Brosnan era, video game or movie.

[JimmyBond]

Had they turned Everything or Nothing into a movie it would have been even worse than Die Another Day. Even before DAD came out people were complaining about the Brosnan era being too overloaded with action. EON would have just multiplied that complaint by a thousand.

[O.H.M.S.S.]

Had they turned Everything or Nothing into a movie it would have been even worse than Die Another Day. Even before DAD came out people were complaining about the Brosnan era being too overloaded with action. EON would have just multiplied that complaint by a thousand.

With suitable modifications (some more relaxing and less action), it could be turned into a fairly good Bond film. Bond in Moscow, I would love to see that one day.

[seawolfnyy]

Had they turned Everything or Nothing into a movie it would have been even worse than Die Another Day. Even before DAD came out people were complaining about the Brosnan era being too overloaded with action. EON would have just multiplied that complaint by a thousand.

true if Everything or Nothing was adapted exactly as the game it wouldn't have been great, but excluding the extra q/mi6 scenes, the camo suit and made a little less action heavy it could've translated to a great movie. Diavolo was the best villain since Max Zorin IMO, and the locales are great (moscow, new orleans, peru. Serena St. Germaine does suck, but Katya Nadanova is great and I love the Jaws reference. EON definitely could have worked on the big screen far better than Die Another Day I think. as it stands, DAD is practically a video game anyway.

[SolidWaffle]

Video games naturally have more action than movies because they need 10+ hours of fun as opposed to 2 hours of film. EON could have been adapted in some regard. I think the nanomachine buisness itself is a bit too camp for film. The overall plot structure, the usage of locations, set pieces, and characters could translate to film.

[archer1949]

I don't understand the hate,either. Yes, it has pacing problems and Denise Richards was a joke, but I give them props for at least TRYING to shake up the formula. And it has Brosnan's best performance. It's my favorite of the Brosnan movies.

At any rate, Christopher Nolan thought it was impressive enough to style the plotline of TWINE for use in Dark Knight Rises. That's something.

[S K Y F A L L]

For me the weakest parts of the film were the casting. I didn't even like 'the cigar girl' not to mention, Renard, Elektra and Denise Richards as a nuclear scientist, really who thought that was a good idea?

Interesting about the Nolan connection, I never thought of it like that.... Bond could use a nuclear bomb plot for the Craig films.

[Iceskater101]

Denise Richards isn't my favorite bond girl. I like Elektra though. I thought that was well cast. I like that she is really bad and I like the action scenes in this movie. I don't know I have a sweet spot for this film.

[seawolfnyy]

Denise Richards isn't my favorite bond girl. I like Elektra though. I thought that was well cast. I like that she is really bad and I like the action scenes in this movie. I don't know I have a sweet spot for this film.

Agreed on Denise Richards. She's easily the worst Bond girl. Elektra's casting isn't the problem and at the same time it is. Sophie Marceau turns in an excellent performance, however, she and Pierce Brosnan have exactly ZERO chemistry. For that, the scenes come off awkward and the only good part about it is when Bond kills her. In my opinion, at least.

[DaveBond21]

It all went down very well at the cinema at the time, I recall. November 1999 - 15 years ago now!.

[Bond of Steele]

A friend and I attended this film on opening night, and we both thought it was excellent entertainment.  We did not think it was going to win any academy awards, but it was a great 2 hours well spent.  I think all Bond movies are that, except maybe NSNA....

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

I liked TWINE a lot when it opened, but my feelings towards it have changed a bit, especially after the dawn of the Craig era. It's not the worst by any means, but in the lowest quarter. 

[west]

I quite like The World Is Not Enough and enjoy it.

Though I am often frustrated by it because with a bit of fine tuning it could have been a much better film. The ideas are interesting, but some of the execution is poor which brings it down and prevents it from being a classic. As Bond of Steele said, it wasn't going to win any awards, but I find it fine entertainment.

I also think Sophie Marceau was fantastic casting as a femme fatale and that Elektra is an interesting villain.

[Trevelyan 006]

As far as I'm concerned, it wasn't Denise Richards' acting chops that got her cast as Doctor Christmas Jones. She is meant for the eye candy. In the same token, Sophie Marceau banged out a very memorable performance. I've always liked to believe that the producers decided to split up two most important 'Bond Girl' qualities, sheer sex appeal and powerful danger. Obviously, this approach came with its critics, yet made fine sense to me. Richards delivered the easy sex appeal and Marceau came through with the heavy lifting... And make no mistake, I find Sophie Marceau absolutely Elektra-fying. She was easily one of the most attractive women to ever grace a Bond film, in my opinion. 

 

Anyway, The World Is Not Enough falls just short of my favorite Brosnan-Era film. Only second to one certain film, naturally...   

[billy007]

If an actor has portrayed 007 three times or more his third film is his best.

 

Sir Sean  GOLDFINGER the movie is the blueprint of the series.

Sir Roger SPY WHO LOVED ME-- He can act, be kind and cruel and be Roger.

Pierce  TWINE 2nd best PTS(after GOLDFINGER) Great soundtrack, and dealing with Electra " I never miss."  BANG!

TWINE deserves a lot more positive response

[bond_azoozbond]

My dad took me when I was 9 yrs old back in 1999 to TWINE .. That was the first time I was introduced to bond .. Later on 2001 I bought Agent under fire on PS2 and always thought that Renard was the villain on the game hahah .. I didn't remember TWINE until I bought it on VHS after watching DAD ..

[DaveBond21]

As far as I'm concerned, it wasn't Denise Richards' acting chops that got her cast as Doctor Christmas Jones. She is meant for the eye candy. 

 

I agree. I also think there is room for women as eye candy in the Bond movies, but only because there are women at high profile events and parties who are hired to be eye candy only. With Leonardo di Caprio leaving an event recently in Sydney with 20 women in tow, we can let 007 off with taking one home.

[thecasinoroyale]

I have a soft spot for 'TWINE' for sure. The only thing I don't like is Renard - totally pointless and rubbish if you ask me.

 

But we have the stunning Denise Richards (as you say, eye candy), and the great Sophie Marceau who really plays a great bitch. Solid cast and some cracking action sequences make this very enjoyable. I think it's sort of forgotten about between the launch of 'GoldenEye' and the naff 'Die Another Day'.

 

And a cracking PTS for sure with a killer soundtrack.

[larrythefatcat]

TWINE will always hold a special place in my heart as being my first theatrical Bond experience. I was certainly old enough to see TND in the theater by myself, but I didn't for some reason. After playing the VHS tape of TND into stretched-out submission, I couldn't wait for another film. I got a second-hand green-and-black Atari computer monitor from some of my parents' friends and I remember being so proud of myself when I realized I could hook a mono VCR up to it via the composite cables... my nostalgia for TND is in "shades of 'The Matrix'."

 

I remember being INCREDIBLY excited to see Zukovsky again, but I didn't care for anything about her other than just seeing Denise Richards (big surprise) and LOVED when the BMW got cut in half!

 

I am a huge Garbage fan, as well, so getting a Bond theme from them was nothing short of FANTASTIC!

 

The Electra twist got me (since I was at an impressionable [teen] age) so I was hooked and couldn't believe my eyes as it unfolded!

 

After having been highly disappointed by 'The Phantom Menace' exactly 6 months earlier, I was (much) less disappointed by TWINE and "there's no point in living if you can't feel alive!"

Edited by larrythefatcat, 22 January 2015 - 03:52 AM.

[Guy Haines]

I was having a think - as you do - the other day and it suddenly occurred to me - would TWINE have worked under a different title? I don't mean changing the plot or characters necessarily, but just the name of the film, and the name I had in mind was that old favourite "The Property Of A Lady".

 

Consider; the film, ultimately, is about Elektra King claiming her family's oil empire from her father by foul means and then wanting to claim rights over the oil in her part of the world. It isn't really about wanting to conquer the world, which "The World Is Not Enough" suggests. (Even though the title slips out from Bond during the torture scene and is of course his family motto.)

 

TWINE is a very enjoyable Bond film, even though the parahawk chase is a bit baffling (Why would Elektra risk her own life just to try and bump off Bond, or at least prove she's a target of assassination? Then again maybe I've answered my own question with the second part of the previous sentence!) I sometimes think, though, that in retrospect the film's title and the film's plot don't quite fit, whereas Elektra's oil empire was indeed the property of a lady.

[dtuba]

 

After having been highly disappointed by 'The Phantom Menace' exactly 6 months earlier, I was (much) less disappointed by TWINE and "there's no point in living if you can't feel alive!"

 

You bring up a great point, Larry! TWINE may not be my favorite Bond film (In fact it's a perpetual bottom dweller for me), but it's freaking Shakespeare compared to the steaming turd that was The Phantom Menace.

[sharpshooter]

I was ten years old when I first saw TWINE at the cinemas. I remember really liking it, and I still have a poster on my wall from those days.

 

I remember being obsessed with the Q boat and the PTS. I thought Garbage's song hit all the right notes.

 

The game still holds up, too.

[tdalton]

I was ten years old when I first saw TWINE at the cinemas. I remember really liking it, and I still have a poster on my wall from those days.

 

I remember being obsessed with the Q boat and the PTS. I thought Garbage's song hit all the right notes.

 

The game still holds up, too.

 

I remember having really liked TWINE at the time (I was 14, I think) and, incidentally, it was one of only two Bond films I've seen more than once in the theater (CR being the other). 

 

Now, though, I can't say that it's held up that well.  It and LALD have been the two films that have fallen the most in terms of my opinion of them.

[sharpshooter]

Now, though, I can't say that it's held up that well.  It and LALD have been the two films that have fallen the most in terms of my opinion of them.

 Yeah, same. There's a host of other Bond films I'd rather watch before putting on TWINE.