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[Righty007]

~ WARNING: THIS THREAD CONTAINS A RANT ~

Please do me a favor. Seach for the word "Bourne" in thread titles using the CBn Forums Search Engine and count how many threads come up from this year.

I counted 19 threads pertaining to the Jason Bourne film series. 12 of the 19 were comparing Bourne to Bond and/or about how Bourne is better than Bond.

Why?

It's okay to talk about non-Bond stuff in the forums. We all do it but why have a lot of James Bond "fans" been obsessed with another fictional spy with the initials JB lately?

I just saw The Bourne Ultimatum tonight and it's the best Jason "No Personality/Humor" Bourne movie yet. I love the Matt Damon Bourne series (Sorry, Richard Chamberlain) but my love for Bourne will never EVER come close to my love for James Bond. I'm a little worried that some Bond fans are turning to talking Bourne due to their lack of interest in a little 2008 film called Bond 22.

One word: Palio!

If you diasgree with me, please tell me why so many of you are focusing on Jason Bourne. Maybe I'm missing something.

If you agree, please join in and help reel all of the drifters into the world of Bond (21 films and counting) and out of the world of Bourne (3 films and possibly/maybe a 4th and 1 bad miniseries).

[jaguar007]

I can't say I disagee with you because i don't, but I do know that much of the debate was sparked by Damon and Greengrasse's comments in the press comparing Bourne to BOnd. However 19 different threads is a little excessive.

[Gobi-1]

How many of the twelve comparison threads were started by regular users? Are non-Bond fans coming in here to stir up trouble?

[dinovelvet]

How many of the twelve comparison threads were started by regular users? Are non-Bond fans coming in here to stir up trouble?

Well the main thread was started by someone called rebeck, who although was a member previously, had very few posts to his name. He claimed Bourne would, erm, spank Bond, then later actually went to see the Bourne film and didn't like it. Cough.

I agree it is very odd that Bourne has dominated the discussion around here lately, while a little something we like to call BOND 22 has been FREAKIN' FILMING ALREADY. Hellooooo? Now maybe some members have steered clear of that to avoid spoilers, but still, the discussion has been surprisingly low-key; the thread about Palio has only reached 4 pages, whereas "Bourne spanks Bond" is on page nine and still going.

Anyway, why didn't the mods consolidate all the Bourne discussion into one thread? Or at least one "Bourne Ultimatum thread" and one "Bourne vs Bond" thread.

[MarcAngeDraco]

While I think most here would agree that Bond vs. Bourne is certainly topical and appropriate for discussion here, the number of threads on it does seems rather high.

But I have to admit throwing my two cents worth into at least a few of the threads, so I suppose I have contributed to this phenomenon.

[Loomis]

It's okay to talk about non-Bond stuff in the forums. We all do it but why have a lot of James Bond "fans" been obsessed with another fictional spy with the initials JB lately?

Because THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM is the closest thing to a new Bond film this year. Many of us believe that the earlier Bourne films influenced CASINO ROYALE to some extent (personally, I think the influence wasn't all that great, but, still, it was there), and so it has much more of a Bond connection than, say, SPIDER-MAN 3.

I don't find it surprising that a lot of us are fans of Bourne. Many Beatles fans also like the Stones, so I wouldn't be surprised to find Stones threads on a Beatles fansite.

Having said that, I do think certain Bourne threads on CBn could be merged.

I'm a little worried that some Bond fans are turning to talking Bourne due to their lack of interest in a little 2008 film called Bond 22.

Given that the CBn threads relating to BOND 22 vastly outnumber those on Bourne, I wouldn't worry. Anyway, it's about time Eon threw us a frickin' bone - when are we going to know the title of BOND 22?

[marktmurphy]

So you've started a new Bourne thread to complain about the number of Bourne threads... riiiight...


Bourne is the closest thing to Bond right now, it's out right now and they've even been talking Bond. Don't worry about it.

[Zorin Industries]

I can't say I disagee with you because i don't, but I do know that much of the debate was sparked by Damon and Greengrasse's comments in the press comparing Bourne to BOnd. However 19 different threads is a little excessive.

19 posts may or may not be excessive, but at least the fans are discussing the films in a broader cinematic context, rather than the usual crap that is passing for fan enlightenment round these shores...

For the record, I don't give a toss about

HOW OLD WERE YOU WHEN YOU FIRST READ A SECONDHAND COPY OF 'ROLE OF HONOUR'...?

WHAT IS YOUR FAVOURITE SHADE OF BLOOD IN A GUNBARREL SEQUENCE...?

WHAT PIECE OF NON-BOND MUSIC ARE YOU LISTENING TO RIGHT NOW....?

And don't get me started on the fan er, "art"....

[00Twelve]

Righty, I say either close 90% of those threads and/or merge them, as others have suggested. I know it's much easier said than done, what with trying to maintain the coherence of so many multiple conversations, but it's worth the effort, IMO. (Easy for me to say, of course! )

[Zorin Industries]

Righty, I say either close 90% of those threads and/or merge them, as others have suggested. I know it's much easier said than done, what with trying to maintain the coherence of so many multiple conversations, but it's worth the effort, IMO. (Easy for me to say, of course! )

Of course, people could always ignore any threads they are not interested in. I can think of quite a few threads that could easily be merged in an effort to clean up some of the useless musings pottering about these parts...

At least the BOURNE VS BOND discussions are about 007's place in a modern cinematic context and not yet more annoying whisperings of whether or not Eon should remake LIVE AND LET DIE or Timothy Dalton should come back as M....

Edited by Zorin Industries, 20 August 2007 - 02:00 PM.

[00Twelve]

Dude, did you just make that entire post to take a jab at the idea of actually adapting the real LALD story? I reckon that's a *slightly* more interesting topic for Bond fans than 12+ more or less identical threads about the a thing which isn't even directly related to James Bond (it's about another "spy"...that's about it).

I'm usually not a morning person either, but c'mon! Get the morning coffee down the pipe and lighten up!

[Zorin Industries]

Dude, did you just make that entire post to take a jab at the idea of actually adapting the real LALD story? I reckon that's a *slightly* more interesting topic for Bond fans than 12+ more or less identical threads about the a thing which isn't even directly related to James Bond (it's about another "spy"...that's about it).

I'm usually not a morning person either, but c'mon! Get the morning coffee down the pipe and lighten up!

Well, it's not morning where I am (whether that defends me or not...), but - and I don't want to get at you 00Twelve for the sake of it - I do think a discussion of BOURNE is indeed relevant right now, especially as CASINO ROYALE was made - like ALL the Bond films - very much in the context of what is popular at the cinema at the time.

And no - I didn't make my comments solely to have a dig at people's notions of there being a film version of LIVE AND LET DIE. My memory is sometimes not all that, but I could have sworn Roger Moore was in an adaptation of that film in the early 1970's.

No offence intended though... just a wake up and smell the cliche jibe that is tiring of dull chit-chat on these boards. Though we are a community I suppose...and communities natter on about all sorts of mundane nonsense...

[DLibrasnow]

I don't find it surprising that a lot of us are fans of Bourne. Many Beatles fans also like the Stones, so I wouldn't be surprised to find Stones threads on a Beatles fansite.

Having said that, I do think certain Bourne threads on CBn could be merged.

I'm a little worried that some Bond fans are turning to talking Bourne due to their lack of interest in a little 2008 film called Bond 22.

Given that the CBn threads relating to BOND 22 vastly outnumber those on Bourne, I wouldn't worry. Anyway, it's about time Eon threw us a frickin' bone - when are we going to know the title of BOND 22?

I have to agree with Loomis on all counts here. There are definately Jason Bourne threads that could be merged and the fact is that Bourne is out in the theaters right now.

By comparison very little is known about Bond 22 and what can be said has largely already been said. It seems that whenever the tiniest sliver of info on Bond 22 gets out that Bond fans analyze the life out of it.

Personally speaking, when it comes to Bond I am more interested right now in the literary character, whether that be the centenary novel or Young Bond. I don't think we have heard anything that is original or exciting about Bond 22 yet.

[Thunderfinger]

sooo...
What do you guys think of Jason Bourne?
It sucks, doesn

[Loomis]

I'm certainly looking forward to DEVIL MAY CARE more than I am to BOND 22, although that's not to say that I'm not eagerly awaiting BOND 22 as well.

But you're right that, by comparison to the finished product playing in cinemas that is THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM, very little is known about BOND 22 and what can be said has largely already been said. Discussions of this summer's best blockbuster seem a lot more interesting right now than unanswerable speculation about BOND 22.

[sharpshooter]

[quote]sooo...
What do you guys think of Jason Bourne?
It sucks, doesn

[00Twelve]

Well, it's not morning where I am (whether that defends me or not...), but - and I don't want to get at you 00Twelve for the sake of it - I do think a discussion of BOURNE is indeed relevant right now, especially as CASINO ROYALE was made - like ALL the Bond films - very much in the context of what is popular at the cinema at the time.

And no - I didn't make my comments solely to have a dig at people's notions of there being a film version of LIVE AND LET DIE. My memory is sometimes not all that, but I could have sworn Roger Moore was in an adaptation of that film in the early 1970's.

No offence intended though... just a wake up and smell the cliche jibe that is tiring of dull chit-chat on these boards. Though we are a community I suppose...and communities natter on about all sorts of mundane nonsense...

We are indeed a pretty diverse community, and talking about nonsense is why we're here, no?

I understand what you're saying, really. Big danger in successful and acclaimed franchises copycatting one another, no doubt. Merging rather than closing would probably be a more diplomatic, if tedious, solution.

[Judo chop]

I echo Zorin

[Zorin Industries]

[quote name='Judo chop' post='764417' date='20 August 2007 - 16:38']I echo Zorin

[00Twelve]

We should test that one, I think...<devilish grin>

[Judo chop]

Do you think random baseball fan sites have problems with uninvited Roger Moore discussions...? (!).

Moore? Mmmm, probably not.

Though... Baseball > Baseball bats > Wooden bats > George Lazenby.

Quite conceivable!

[plankattack]

For the record, I don't give a toss about

HOW OLD WERE YOU WHEN YOU FIRST READ A SECONDHAND COPY OF 'ROLE OF HONOUR'...?

WHAT IS YOUR FAVOURITE SHADE OF BLOOD IN A GUNBARREL SEQUENCE...?

WHAT PIECE OF NON-BOND MUSIC ARE YOU LISTENING TO RIGHT NOW....?

And don't get me started on the fan er, "art"....

As always Zorin, a man after my own heart.

Not being too bright, I find nineteen threads too many in that I never know quite where to post any gem of wisdom I might have......

In all seriousness, I've not been at CBn that long, but I have noticed that threads appear like rashes. Remember "the Brozza great, no Brozza an onion", blight that burst out a few months back. But as someone pointed out (Judo or Loomis, I think) part of following a franchise where new material is spaced out, is that here in the chat-rooms, we have to rehash old topics to keep us going. I don't take issue with discussing Jason Bourne, but yes, 19 different discussions seems excessive. Then again, that's democracy I suppose - we can all find a thread we agree with.

[Blonde Bond]

I'm amazed by the number of threads dedicated to Bourne. But I'm not surprised, since the movie is topical at the moment and, like few have already said, it is the closest we get to Bond this year.

Many would also agree, that the Bourne movies are good on their own and that they should be discussed.

I'm also willing to bet that there are those bond fans, who'd like to discuss bond 22, but have steered away in fear of the spoilers.


The fact is; Bourne's out now and Bond isn't until 2008

[Daddy Bond]

[quote name='Thunderfinger' post='764404' date='20 August 2007 - 10:10']sooo...
What do you guys think of Jason Bourne?
It sucks, doesn

[Professor Dent]

Bourne is definitely topical at the moment. I have to say, I've contributed a post or two on Bourne (19 threads is kinda funny, though ). I don't think this has or will take away from the excitement on Bond 22 - there just isn't much out there yet. Just one picture of Craig in Tuscany last week got a lot of mileage & he wasn't even there to film anything.

[Zorin Industries]

And while we are it, can we please condense threads such as "Happy Birthday Whoever" into one thread as I really don't see what that has to do with the world of James Bond 007.

Actually, no. I'm going to start 19 threads that all ask "What would be Timothy Dalton's favourite flavour of icing on his birthday cake during the filming of BOND 29 - when he should probably return to remake the paperback edition of DR NO with Elizabeth Hurley as the new squeeze....?".

Horses for courses, I know. But this horse is tired of having to jump over the bored musings of bored people.

[Daddy Bond]

And while we are it, can we please condense threads such as "Happy Birthday Whoever" into one thread as I really don't see what that has to do with the world of James Bond 007.

Actually, no. I'm going to start 19 threads that all ask "What would be Timothy Dalton's favourite flavour of icing on his birthday cake during the filming of BOND 29 - when he should probably return to remake the paperback edition of DR NO with Elizabeth Hurley as the new squeeze....?".

Horses for courses, I know. But this horse is tired of having to jump over the bored musings of bored people.

His favorite flavor of icing are chocolate fudge and banana (yes, that's right banana). And great to hear about the Dr. No remake, it should be great!

By the way, who would win in a fight, Bourne or Bond??? This would be an interesting topic for discussion.